PUA Forum :: WHY you shouldn't use neg theory

A neg is often used when the value of a female appears to be higher than the male. This means it's relative to your mindset, self-esteem and appearance.

Knowing this, you don't actually NEED to use negs.

I would not rule out the use of negs completely. I usually opt for teasing over negs but negs can be used effectively. A big mistake most people make when they neg is they say it and wait for a response when negs are supposed to be throw and go. In fact, you shouldn't even wait for a response--something green PUAs do. It is my own personal experience that women I've neged (before learning about the community) were the most attracted to me in retrospect.

Neg theory is no longer neg theory it's disqualification theory but because of the association the word remains in the pua lexicon. Prefer disqaulification. I use negs sparingly but throw and go or in a situation when I've unintentionally telegraphed interest to a 3 set--then a neg opener is a must for me.

Great post, Vaj.

I just rule out negs entirely because they foster a partially misogynistic attitude in newbies. If the mPUA's tell them to neg, they get the idea that girls love getting treated like shit, which leads to disrespect... and so on.

First of all

Neg: negative compliment designed to lower her perceived value.

A neg is often used when the value of a female appears to be higher than the male. This means it's relative to your mindset, self-esteem and appearance.

Knowing this, you don't actually NEED to use negs.

I think neg-theory is unnecessary because it's like a band-aid solution to a much bigger wound. It will still leave you insecure and possibly paranoid someone might discover you are not what you're claiming to be.

You should always aim to acknoweledge and fix the bigger problem, instead of going for the short-term quick fixes.

In the end, the long-term fix yield more reward than something short-term.

Be smart.

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I don't agree anything you just said. What your basically saying is just because you believe you can beat Mike Tyson... That you're gonna actually beat Mike Tyson. What really happens when you try to fight Tyson is you get KO'd in the 1st min of the 1st round.
If I'm gonna fight Tyson I'm gonna play dirty and sneak him from behind and or beat him with a baseball bat.

Now in the case with the Hot babe this girl is better looking than you regardless if you think your the man or not. You can this have alpha male mentality all you want in your mind, but when you approach this girl she's not thinking about, she can't see what your thinking, the fact you're walking chest forward means nothing, all she's thinking is "I'm Hot what lame thing are you gonna say like all the other losers before you to get my attention?." Then you say "Hi my name is Vaj" She cuts you off "Shut up loser!" KO'd!!!!

With a neg on the other hand you throw her off her guard which causes her to seek validation since she's not used to guys approaching her that way and that's how you win.

Neg has negative connotations and is kinda vague.

If i tell a girl I love her large dumbo ears (a feature I love in women), or she's kinda a nerd but its cool because I am a undercover nerd are those negs or honest compliments? I normally channel the idea behind Shakespeare's Sonnet 130 where little things like big ears, a funny walk, freckles, lips that always pout, a unique style, all things that are normally looked down on can sometimes make a women more beautiful. I notice these beautiful "imperfections" and lightly hint on them and how it makes her unique and more beautiful.

When I think of negs I think of comments that are made specifically to play on their self esteem. Issues like their weight, teeth, breath, or outfit the kind of things a women might linger on after you left her life. Those seem bad and unethical. Plus I don't see how being mean (not confident or charming) will help you.

And even if it is a useful tactic it is unethical. It will also have the draw back of attracting insecure women. I personally believe high self esteem is THE MOST attractive quality a woman can have.

negs are bad. You should never try to play on a woman's insecurities.

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Author:	Jav [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:15 pm ]
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First of all Neg: negative compliment designed to lower her perceived value. A neg is often used when the value of a female appears to be higher than the male. This means it's relative to your mindset, self-esteem and appearance. Knowing this, you don't actually NEED to use negs. I think neg-theory is unnecessary because it's like a band-aid solution to a much bigger wound. It will still leave you insecure and possibly paranoid someone might discover you are not what you're claiming to be. You should always aim to acknoweledge and fix the bigger problem, instead of going for the short-term quick fixes. In the end, the long-term fix yield more reward than something short-term. Be smart.

Author:	McLavelli [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:44 pm ]
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I would not rule out the use of negs completely. I usually opt for teasing over negs but negs can be used effectively. A big mistake most people make when they neg is they say it and wait for a response when negs are supposed to be throw and go. In fact, you shouldn't even wait for a response--something green PUAs do. It is my own personal experience that women I've neged (before learning about the community) were the most attracted to me in retrospect. Neg theory is no longer neg theory it's disqualification theory but because of the association the word remains in the pua lexicon. Prefer disqaulification. I use negs sparingly but throw and go or in a situation when I've unintentionally telegraphed interest to a 3 set--then a neg opener is a must for me.

Author:	AFC Royal [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:32 pm ]
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Great post, Vaj. I just rule out negs entirely because they foster a partially misogynistic attitude in newbies. If the mPUA's tell them to neg, they get the idea that girls love getting treated like shit, which leads to disrespect... and so on.

Author:	zappo [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:11 pm ]
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I remember when i just started out in the community i through a house party , some random girl came and i negged her ( only thing i knew how to do ) I k-closed her and nearly f-closed her but she didn't want to leave her mate alone downstairs negs have never really worked for me ever since , I prefer busting a girls balls in a cf manner over situational things that are relevant to her and then pulling her back in the moment ( although this isnt seduction it keeps me in set and has worked in my favour a few times) maybe busting a girls balls are on the same page as negs i dunno but im still gonna bust em

Author:	Ezo [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:52 pm ]
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Quote: A neg is often used when the value of a female appears to be higher than the male. This means it's relative to your mindset, self-esteem and appearance. Knowing this, you don't actually NEED to use negs. Well, negs are used by the people who doesnt know that... The can tell themselves that but they wont believe it until they really feel it. And as soon as they learn they will stop.

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Author:	Diego1234567 [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:10 pm ]
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before i started trying to game but still using negs (or trying to) you know you hear about them, they sound easy and people make them out to be this magic pill that makes a girl like you. but in my experience, they do nothing. The biggest reaction you'll get is a girl thinking you dont like her and you were a bit of a dick. it doesnt matter if you meant it nicely and polite. So i dont use them now ive started going out :/ i tried them a few times....it doesnt work.... i mean things like "blowing your nose" may work, as it sorta just shows your not trying to impress her but its not a neg even though Mystery calls it that. a master can use a neg but they can use anything really do you think a girl is gonna care if some average guy who isnt ashton cutcher is gonna try and win your approval because you said her nails are nice but fake? they were the beginning of different theories and techniques but i think even Mystery knows negs are out, he doesnt teach the traditional negs anymore so ive heard or at least not so much!

Author:	Jav [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:45 pm ]
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Quote: I would not rule out the use of negs completely. I usually opt for teasing over negs but negs can be used effectively. A big mistake most people make when they neg is they say it and wait for a response when negs are supposed to be throw and go. In fact, you shouldn't even wait for a response--something green PUAs do. It is my own personal experience that women I've neged (before learning about the community) were the most attracted to me in retrospect. Neg theory is no longer neg theory it's disqualification theory but because of the association the word remains in the pua lexicon. Prefer disqaulification. I use negs sparingly but throw and go or in a situation when I've unintentionally telegraphed interest to a 3 set--then a neg opener is a must for me. Being reactive is never good, but I wasn't talking about that. I was merely talking about the use of neg-theory. Sure it might be something newbies might come across, but it's a stand-alone concept from neg-theory. And frankly another reason why you should focus on you instead of the routines you use. Routines=/=you. Unless you made them up. But you try coming up with enough routines to make marriage work (PROTIP: you won't) What works for you, works for you. But please be critic on what you're using. Are you merely using it because it's EASY or Are you using it because you know it's going to IMPROVE yourself. Everyone has his aim on a quick fix, but to truly make a difference between who you once were and who you are in the future, You've GOT TO aim at the long-term solution. It takes discipline, being hard on yourself, which means going out OFTEN. It'll pay off. A post to help you where i'm coming from:" PUA kryptonite, how this can affect everyone: pua-kryptonite-this-can-effect-everyone-vt74236.html TL;DR Keep focusing on progress, where you are at now IS NOT ENOUGH.

Author:	Jav [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:54 pm ]
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Quote: Great post, Vaj. I just rule out negs entirely because they foster a partially misogynistic attitude in newbies. If the mPUA's tell them to neg, they get the idea that girls love getting treated like shit, which leads to disrespect... and so on. Another factor why neg-theory isn't all too good for newbies is because of this, it's easily misunderstood as being RUDE to a girl. This doesn't work.

Author:	Reo [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: WHY you shouldn't use neg theory
Quote: First of all Neg: negative compliment designed to lower her perceived value. A neg is often used when the value of a female appears to be higher than the male. This means it's relative to your mindset, self-esteem and appearance. Knowing this, you don't actually NEED to use negs. I think neg-theory is unnecessary because it's like a band-aid solution to a much bigger wound. It will still leave you insecure and possibly paranoid someone might discover you are not what you're claiming to be. You should always aim to acknoweledge and fix the bigger problem, instead of going for the short-term quick fixes. In the end, the long-term fix yield more reward than something short-term. Be smart. I don't agree anything you just said. What your basically saying is just because you believe you can beat Mike Tyson... That you're gonna actually beat Mike Tyson. What really happens when you try to fight Tyson is you get KO'd in the 1st min of the 1st round. If I'm gonna fight Tyson I'm gonna play dirty and sneak him from behind and or beat him with a baseball bat. Now in the case with the Hot babe this girl is better looking than you regardless if you think your the man or not. You can this have alpha male mentality all you want in your mind, but when you approach this girl she's not thinking about, she can't see what your thinking, the fact you're walking chest forward means nothing, all she's thinking is "I'm Hot what lame thing are you gonna say like all the other losers before you to get my attention?." Then you say "Hi my name is Vaj" She cuts you off "Shut up loser!" KO'd!!!! With a neg on the other hand you throw her off her guard which causes her to seek validation since she's not used to guys approaching her that way and that's how you win.

Author:	McLavelli [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: WHY you shouldn't use neg theory
Quote: Quote: First of all Neg: negative compliment designed to lower her perceived value. A neg is often used when the value of a female appears to be higher than the male. This means it's relative to your mindset, self-esteem and appearance. Knowing this, you don't actually NEED to use negs. I think neg-theory is unnecessary because it's like a band-aid solution to a much bigger wound. It will still leave you insecure and possibly paranoid someone might discover you are not what you're claiming to be. You should always aim to acknoweledge and fix the bigger problem, instead of going for the short-term quick fixes. In the end, the long-term fix yield more reward than something short-term. Be smart. I don't agree anything you just said. What your basically saying is just because you believe you can beat Mike Tyson... That you're gonna actually beat Mike Tyson. What really happens when you try to fight Tyson is you get KO'd in the 1st min of the 1st round. If I'm gonna fight Tyson I'm gonna play dirty and sneak him from behind and or beat him with a baseball bat. Now in the case with the Hot babe this girl is better looking than you regardless if you think your the man or not. You can this have alpha male mentality all you want in your mind, but when you approach this girl she's not thinking about, she can't see what your thinking, the fact you're walking chest forward means nothing, all she's thinking is "I'm Hot what lame thing are you gonna say like all the other losers before you to get my attention?." Then you say "Hi my name is Vaj" She cuts you off "Shut up loser!" KO'd!!!! With a neg on the other hand you throw her off her guard which causes her to seek validation since she's not used to guys approaching her that way and that's how you win. As long as its throw and go and you aren't worried about her reaction if you are you'll sub-communicate it.

Author:	enrique [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:38 am ]
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Neg has negative connotations and is kinda vague. If i tell a girl I love her large dumbo ears (a feature I love in women), or she's kinda a nerd but its cool because I am a undercover nerd are those negs or honest compliments? I normally channel the idea behind Shakespeare's Sonnet 130 where little things like big ears, a funny walk, freckles, lips that always pout, a unique style, all things that are normally looked down on can sometimes make a women more beautiful. I notice these beautiful "imperfections" and lightly hint on them and how it makes her unique and more beautiful. When I think of negs I think of comments that are made specifically to play on their self esteem. Issues like their weight, teeth, breath, or outfit the kind of things a women might linger on after you left her life. Those seem bad and unethical. Plus I don't see how being mean (not confident or charming) will help you. And even if it is a useful tactic it is unethical. It will also have the draw back of attracting insecure women. I personally believe high self esteem is THE MOST attractive quality a woman can have. negs are bad. You should never try to play on a woman's insecurities.

Author:	Underworlder [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:00 am ]
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I did away with negs and cocky/funny. I instead use Vin DiCarlo's style of teasing which is teasing her very warmly about something she's doing.

Author:	Reo [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:34 am ]
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Quote: Neg has negative connotations and is kinda vague. If i tell a girl I love her large dumbo ears (a feature I love in women), or she's kinda a nerd but its cool because I am a undercover nerd are those negs or honest compliments? I normally channel the idea behind Shakespeare's Sonnet 130 where little things like big ears, a funny walk, freckles, lips that always pout, a unique style, all things that are normally looked down on can sometimes make a women more beautiful. I notice these beautiful "imperfections" and lightly hint on them and how it makes her unique and more beautiful. When I think of negs I think of comments that are made specifically to play on their self esteem. Issues like their weight, teeth, breath, or outfit the kind of things a women might linger on after you left her life. Those seem bad and unethical. Plus I don't see how being mean (not confident or charming) will help you. And even if it is a useful tactic it is unethical. It will also have the draw back of attracting insecure women. I personally believe high self esteem is THE MOST attractive quality a woman can have. negs are bad. You should never try to play on a woman's insecurities. Most of those things your talking about like a girls weight, telling a girl she has dumbo ears, or a big nose, etc. those are insults not negs. You're making fun of something that can't be change or can't easily be changed you can't just laugh it off like its funny. You clearly don't understand negging at all A neg is a backhanded compliment (a qualifier) example guy: nice eyes are they real girl: no they're contacts (force to concede there fake) guy: Oh well they're nice anyway(back turn) (makes the girl wonder why your not drooling all over her like every other guy would and makes her want to win you over) apparently you think a neg is telling her You should stop eating so many cookies your getting a little gut there hahaha. This is an insult not a neg

Author:	Jav [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:39 am ]
Post subject:	Re: WHY you shouldn't use neg theory
Quote: Quote: First of all Neg: negative compliment designed to lower her perceived value. A neg is often used when the value of a female appears to be higher than the male. This means it's relative to your mindset, self-esteem and appearance. Knowing this, you don't actually NEED to use negs. I think neg-theory is unnecessary because it's like a band-aid solution to a much bigger wound. It will still leave you insecure and possibly paranoid someone might discover you are not what you're claiming to be. You should always aim to acknoweledge and fix the bigger problem, instead of going for the short-term quick fixes. In the end, the long-term fix yield more reward than something short-term. Be smart. I don't agree anything you just said. What your basically saying is just because you believe you can beat Mike Tyson... That you're gonna actually beat Mike Tyson. What really happens when you try to fight Tyson is you get KO'd in the 1st min of the 1st round. If I'm gonna fight Tyson I'm gonna play dirty and sneak him from behind and or beat him with a baseball bat. Now in the case with the Hot babe this girl is better looking than you regardless if you think your the man or not. You can this have alpha male mentality all you want in your mind, but when you approach this girl she's not thinking about, she can't see what your thinking, the fact you're walking chest forward means nothing, all she's thinking is "I'm Hot what lame thing are you gonna say like all the other losers before you to get my attention?." Then you say "Hi my name is Vaj" She cuts you off "Shut up loser!" KO'd!!!! With a neg on the other hand you throw her off her guard which causes her to seek validation since she's not used to guys approaching her that way and that's how you win. Why not improve your fighting skills?

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Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:43 pm ]
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A neg can also be thought about as a rapport break, forcing her to rebuild the rapport, leading to her emotionally investing more in the interaction with you, leading to her feeling increased attraction towards you.