Interesting ... is this like your own method, or are you inspired by other puas? It sometimes makes me think of Gambler.

Hobbit, I have a question for you.

You seem really concerned about breaking stuff down into nice, simple chunks for the newbies who can't meditate or whatever.

Why do you care so much about these kinds of newbies?

Here's my take on it: two kinds of people come to this forum: those who "want" to learn, and those who "must" learn or "commit" to learn. Those who "want" to learn generally populate the routines section and try and find easy and painless ways to get better. They usually drop out fairly quickly.

Second type sticks around longer. They may start with routines, but they often find their own way to the top. The key thing is, they are motivated enough that they'll make their own easy steps, and are willing to accept some easy pain.

Basically, you're helping out the first types, but is there any real point to that, since they're probably going to drop out anyway?

I don't think its useful to label people in one group or another, just for the simple fact of saying "this group does it better than that group." Everyone who needs help learns different ways. Their way of dealing with things may differ, but it doesn't mean we should give up on them or judge them.

The simple fact is a lot of advice given on this forum isn't practical. It's much more like philosophy and as a result, not nearly as useful. I think most of Chief's thread is great, but there were just some parts that just assumed the newbie knew what to do already and that doesn't help the newbie Smile

I hope this helps you understand my perspective Smile

Chief do you think it a good idea to let newbies know this is this the next step to read in your title after conquering 'hi' mission as its taken me a while to home in on this post as ive just got first number close and posted question on this?