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Author:  Warped Mindless [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:55 pm ]
Post subject:  The flaws of MM (and how naturals do it better)
While a MM guy is walking around looking for his next "target," naturals are walking in, high fiving people right off the bat. Naturals are building social momentum, having a ton of fun and being social.

While the MM guy is walking up to a girl and asking her something stupid that HE doesnt even care about (such as an opinion), the natural is strolling up to the girl and he commiunicates his sexual desires to her. He takes her hand, hold it, hes gettuing up close and whispering in her ear. the natural is pulling her in and leading with his words and actions. This is all while the MM guy is working on establishing a "hook point."

While the MM guy is trying to prove his worth by telling DHV stories, the natural in screening her to see if she meets HIS standards. The MM guy is trying to prove himself.

The MM guy is in his head, thinking "okay, I did step 32b.7, now on to step 33a.1." The Natural, however, is is living completely in the moment, having fun, self amusing and escalating.

The MM guy is worried about "amogs." The natural is having so much fun no one wants to screw with him. People love other fun people. The natural is having so much fun he simply turns others into spectators. The natural is just doing what he wnats to do and doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks about it. Hes being the life of the party and brining girls in to his fun world...all while the MM guy is on his 3ed DHV story.

The MM guy is afraid to get sexual because he hasnt gotten past "comfort" yet. The natural, however, has been sexual from the start! he knows that the girl cant be totally comfortable because that kills tension. The Natural knows that along as the girl is standing there, shes plenty comfortable enough and that sex is the ultimate way to build comfort.

The MM guy is looking for IOIs so he can escelate. Hes looking for signs that shes attracted to him. The Natural doesn't give a fuck about IOIs. hes having to much fun to bother looking for them. he just continues to constantly escelate and to assume shes attracted to him. How could she avoid being attracted to him? He is sexual, fun, charming, and cool. By assuming shes attracted he will do things people do and act the way people act around their lovers. This in turn will make the girl attracted if she wasn't already.

The natural talks to her they way they would talk as if they already had sex, he touches her they way he would as if they already had sex...ect

While the natural is being sexual, cool, confident, charming and FUN, the MM guy is being creepy, weird, and calculated.

The MM guy is acting "indifferent" and like hes not interested. Sometimes he even acts gay. The Natural on the other hand is showing his true, manly, dominant intent! This is MASSIVELY attractive.

While the MM guy is trying to isolate his "target" the Natural is busy trying to fight his girl off so he can continue to talk to other women his energy has drawn in.

I could go on and on but you all get the point. I posted this as food for thought. keep the discussion civil and relevant...peace guys!
Author:  Sean (PUA) [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:04 pm ]
Post subject:  You seem so sure of yourself... Are you really?
I got a challenge for you, you mindless freak...

I will make videos of 5 pickups during day game...

You do the same...

We'll see whose better....

Thought I use my own personal routines, the method I use is Mystery's...and it works better than almost anything else.... Let the people decide...

p.s

Let me tell you something... YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERY METHOD... I don't know what mystery method guy you're referring to in your post.... Perhaps it's your own hallucination...
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: You seem so sure of yourself... Are you really?
Quote:
I got a challenge for you, you mindless freak...

I will make videos of 5 pickups during day game...

You do the same...

We'll see whose better....

Thought I use my own personal routines, the method I use is Mystery's...and it works better than almost anything else.... Let the people decide...
The fact taht my post got under your skin so much shows how much insecurity you still have, thats okay though :)

Finding and ridding yourself of insecurity can be a long process but just stick with it and have fun in the process.

Peace

P.S. I would also like to add that you should stop feeling like you have to prove yourself to me or anyone else. You, or anyone else, dont have to prove yourself to anyone. However, MM does condition people to go around and try to prove themselves (DHV stories)
Author:  AFcAndrew [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:  very true
i realized being calculated in a social setting is probably the weirdest thing you could do especially if your at a party or club people can sense fake from a mile away i learned this the hard way.
Author:  Intensity [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: You seem so sure of yourself... Are you really?
Quote:
I got a challenge for you, you mindless freak...

I will make videos of 5 pickups during day game...

You do the same...

We'll see whose better....
The Natural is having a good time meeting women and finding a girl that fits his standards, the MM guy is filming himself talk to women.

This is spot on, could be summed up more or less by saying that the Natural is being socially confident, and the MM guy is conducting a science experiment lol.

I think the "Game" metaphor is itself problematic because it brings with it all its rules and weird bullshit that are completely unnecessary for getting a girl. Probably the truest part is about the DHV stories and how a Natural assumes value from the beginning. Mystery Method still treats the girl like the prize. Even if it encourages showing disinterest and "negging the target", psychologically a MM guy goes into an encounter assuming that he has to rely on some system or strategy to "win" some girl.

Being a "Natural" could probably be reduced to just a couple qualities. Confidence, assumption of personal value, and a bit of carelessness. None of these things are found in Mystery Method.

Definitely agree with this post.
Author:  Flynn [ Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:54 pm ]
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Although I prefer natural game over MM, I still disagree with this post (to an extent). IOI's and DHV stories are great to put into your game. I think there's a lot of stupid points in MM though. Kino escalating is something that should happen naturally and not in steps. You make the mystery method out to be this system for creeps who lurk around bars talking to nobody and not having fun. The Mystery Method is just as fun in my opinion but I find more results when I just do what I want naturally.

Very bias post.
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:34 am ]
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Although I prefer natural game over MM, I still disagree with this post (to an extent). IOI's and DHV stories are great to put into your game. I think there's a lot of stupid points in MM though. Kino escalating is something that should happen naturally and not in steps. You make the mystery method out to be this system for creeps who lurk around bars talking to nobody and not having fun. The Mystery Method is just as fun in my opinion but I find more results when I just do what I want naturally.

Very bias post.
IOIs are pretty useless in my opinion. Assuming attraction and do what you would do as if you two already slept together is much more powerful. Your a man, you dont need excuses (IOIs) to escalate.

DHV stories are something I view as needy. Real alpha males dont run around trying to prove how high value they are. feeling like you have to go out of your why (telling a dhv story) to prove to the girl that your valuable enough to be worth her time is not only needy but also a bad mindset. You dont have to prove shit to her. Have fun and she will have fun too. Her being able to have fun with you gives you a ton of value in her eyes. No need to "do" something. Its more important to just "be" not "do."
Author:  AFC Royal [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:46 am ]
Post subject: 
Why are we bothering to bash MM.

Warped, if you don't like MM, that's great, but it would be nice to see that your post had a point beyond the fact that, in your opinion, natural game is superior.

IMO, natural game and MM both are equally valid, so long as they are congruent with the user.

So what's your point?
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:08 am ]
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Why are we bothering to bash MM.

Warped, if you don't like MM, that's great, but it would be nice to see that your post had a point beyond the fact that, in your opinion, natural game is superior.

IMO, natural game and MM both are equally valid, so long as they are congruent with the user.

So what's your point?
Here is the thing, MM is not congruent with any guy.

A man, at his core, is sexual, dominant, and confident enough to go for what he wants. The problem is, this core of the man is covered up by years upon years of social conditioning. The man gets conditioned to be a wimp. Because of beign a wimp, your not being congruent with your CORE self and thus the man has problems getting women.

Now we come to MM. We have done discussed what what being congruent to your core is now all we have to do is look back up to my original post to see that using MM will not make you congruent to your core.
Author:  Creamy [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:05 am ]
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IMO some guys need practice approaching girls over and over again before they can develop 'Natural' game... So maybe MM is awesome for those guys to build up the confidence they dont have.

I know that I had a few problems trying to figure out how to open with girls, once I'm talking to them I generally dont have any problems keeping a conversation and having a lot of fun whilst doing it but the whole idea of trying to think of something to say used to kill me.

When starting out to improve your game, I think you need to approach as many girls as possible to get comfortable approaching girls and start getting used to speaking to girls on a regular basis. Natural game can come later after you get past all of this and have worked on your inner game enough to have all the qualities of a Natural.

So I agree and disagree with your post for different reasons =)

Good post though, even just for the sake of conversation.

Creamy
Author:  Ezo [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:17 am ]
Post subject: 
When are you guys gonna wake up and remember that every single thing we do as PUAs is in order to mimic a natural. Of course they are better.
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:22 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
IMO some guys need practice approaching girls over and over again before they can develop 'Natural' game... So maybe MM is awesome for those guys to build up the confidence they dont have.

I know that I had a few problems trying to figure out how to open with girls, once I'm talking to them I generally dont have any problems keeping a conversation and having a lot of fun whilst doing it but the whole idea of trying to think of something to say used to kill me.

When starting out to improve your game, I think you need to approach as many girls as possible to get comfortable approaching girls and start getting used to speaking to girls on a regular basis. Natural game can come later after you get past all of this and have worked on your inner game enough to have all the qualities of a Natural.

So I agree and disagree with your post for different reasons =)

Good post though, even just for the sake of conversation.

Creamy
Heres the thing, if a complete newbie just started approaching girls, without ever reading a single pua book, and just experimented, he would probably progress faster then he he would have if used MM.
Author:  Ezo [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:24 am ]
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Heres the thing, if a complete newbie just started approaching girls, without ever reading a single pua book, and just experimented, he would probably progress faster then he he would have if used MM.
No he wouldnt. Thats what people do remember. they go up offering a drink and buying a rose. Thats called being AFC.
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:26 am ]
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When are you guys gonna wake up and remember that every single thing we do as PUAs is in order to mimic a natural. Of course they are better.
No one needs to mimic a natural because at the core of every man is a natural! Its just covered up by social conditioning. Some methods (RSD, Vin DiCarlo, Sedona, 60yoc, Cory Skyy, BadBoy...) seek to sort thru all the negative social conditioning and remove it so that you can realign with your core again. Some methods however, (MM, Mehow, Love systems...) actually add more bad beliefs on top of that negative social conditioning instead of removing them.
Author:  Ezo [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:34 am ]
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Some methods however, (MM, Mehow, Love systems...) actually add more bad beliefs on top of that negative social conditioning instead of removing them.
Examples?


What I mean is the MM. All routines and crap are there to make people appear as naturals, attractive alpha males when they are in fact losers.
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