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Author:  MickCoffee [ Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Gambler's Structure
Hey guys, I took this pick up structure from gambler to follow as I simultaneously improve small parts of my pick up skills that I'm not so good at. It's broken down into 3 subsections, Mr Sociable, Mr Comfort, Mr Seducer.

(Indirect) Opener --> 80% statement, 20% Question --> Hook Point (IOI's, Girls contribute more to the conversation, Ask more questions etc).

Hook Point --> Personalising (Gaining knowledge of the set*).

*Isolate*

(Going Direct) - Rapport Build/Attraction Builders --> K-Close, N-Close

K-Close --> Transpose (A legitimate reason to take the girl home) --> F-Close

*By gaining knowledge of the set I am meaning - who are they, how they know each other, what are they going to be doing tonight. The dude in the set could well be the targets boyfriend which any attempt to isolate her would go horribly wrong, or he could be her gay best friend.

My question
I just noticed this structure lacks target qualification and I'm not sure which stage to put it in. It'd make sense to get her to qualify after the attraction building stage just before the K-Close as I can screen her for the inner qualities I look for. If she passes my screening then qualifies, I know she's into me and can then work to the K or/and N-Close. Would you guys agree?

I understand this is stupid but as I said, it's just a structure I'm using to improve parts of my game then once that's complete I can focus on going au naturale and begin my conquest for my dream girl.

AFCCoffee :twisted: [/i]
Author:  AFC Royal [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:49 am ]
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Generally I'm against structure, but you make a fair point.

I forget who said it (Sinn perhaps?), but one guru said that you should start qualifying as soon as you open a set. Basically this should up the number of interactions, because a lot of girls don't feel the need to qualify until later and will lose interest, but it should up the quality of the interactions, because those who do respond should be easier to get in bed.

Anyway. My personal preference would be to place it after the hook point. In indirect method, you have that clearly labeled, but you kind of gloss over it in the direct method. It should be somewhere in your rapport/attraction builders.

Hope this helps.
Author:  MickCoffee [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:01 am ]
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Generally I'm against structure, but you make a fair point.

I forget who said it (Sinn perhaps?), but one guru said that you should start qualifying as soon as you open a set. Basically this should up the number of interactions, because a lot of girls don't feel the need to qualify until later and will lose interest, but it should up the quality of the interactions, because those who do respond should be easier to get in bed.

Anyway. My personal preference would be to place it after the hook point. In indirect method, you have that clearly labeled, but you kind of gloss over it in the direct method. It should be somewhere in your rapport/attraction builders.

Hope this helps.
Glad to see there's another with AFC in the name. I agree, I'm not a fan of structured gaming myself but right now I'm sort of lacking in my natural game. By following this I'm hoping to integrate a direction for the interaction in the way I need to to K-close a girl.

And yeah I thought putting qualification in the later stage of Attraction Building would make sense. Thanks for the contribution man.

AFCCoffee :twisted:
Author:  redandwhite [ Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:24 pm ]
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I agree with the first reply about starting qualification when you hook. I think what causes her to qualify herself isn't usually what you say, but has to do with specific body language. I've been thinking a lot lately about the psychology behind what kind of people induce others to validate themselves (post to come later once I have my 50 replies) and qualification is just her feeling the need to validate herself to you. For example, I think a combination of not over emoting (facial expressions) esp when she talks, but at the same time using a lot of voice inflection is crucial. Its harder to hook the set without emoting, but if you can then start doing that at the very beginning.
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