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confused about HB6? HB10?.....Well i got the SCALE!
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Author:  civilian [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:44 pm ]
Post subject:  confused about HB6? HB10?.....Well i got the SCALE!
THE SCALE...

Ok in my last post I mentioned "THE SCALE." Now I know there are a ton of different varations of this,
but here's the most accurate one I've heard of.

The scale is 1-10, here are the catergories.

Face 0-2 pts
Tits 0-2 pts
@ss 0-2 pts
Legs 0-2 pts
Personality 0-2 pts

So let's say a girl is "cute." That deserves a 1.5. Let's say she has "nice" tits.
That deserves a 1. Let's say she has a "ok" @ss. That's a 0.5 as well. Let's say she has "good" legs.
That's a 1.5 And a really great personality. That's a 2. So this girl would be a 6.5 on the scale.


So now that you know how the scale works, let's talk about how exactly you talk to a girl who's a 6
and how that differs from a girl that's a 8. Here's the general rules:

1-5: These girls are average and below average looking. They know they're not the cream of the crop,
so don't bust their balls too much and throw in a compliment or 2. DON'T OVER-DO THE COMPLIMENTS,
2 MAX!!!! These girls are not confident, so if you boost their ego slightly, they'll be more receptive
to talking to you.

6-7: These are the girls who are labeled as "cute." They know they're not SUPER-HOT, but they definitely
are confident and know they're better than average. With these girls, 1 compliment will do.
Your compliments need to flow with the conversation, don't just tell her she has a great personality,
when she's talking about sedimentary rock formations.

8-10: These girls have a bubble around them. The only guys who get to be inside their bubble is the
guys who show that their not intimidated AT ALL!! These girls get NO COMPLIMENTS!!! In fact you
should give them Negative Hits. If you don't know what that is, read the forum more.
Like I said above, mention anything but their looks. Tease them about the little things,
tell them they write sloppy or ask them if she cried because a strand of hair is out of place etc.
Do this in a playful way, so she knows your teasing but your REALLY NOT.. Do not apologize or
kiss-@ss to these girls AT ALL!! Let's say hot girl X gives you her number. She tells you to call
her at 8:00pm. You get busy and end up calling her at 8:35 pm. When you call, talk to her like
everythings chill. She will then ask you why you didn't call earlier. Just tell her you were busy
doing some things. Be vague, don't say, "I went to Mcdonalds and then I shaved my @ss."
Just say you were busy. Is this starting to make sense? Ok, if you've got questions, I've got
answers, so let me know what you think.
Author:  trixsta [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:17 pm ]
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All I can say is lol. Are you serious?
Author:  Little Panda [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:20 pm ]
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Scales are bullshit. Relying on them is pure stupidity.

Period.
Author:  civilian [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:24 pm ]
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i didnt say rely on them,
People tend to use them alot nowadays...
i just meant if theres any confusion.....? :idea:
Author:  Dr. Beat [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:26 pm ]
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Quote:
All I can say is lol. Are you serious?
Quoted for emphasis.
Author:  civilian [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:31 pm ]
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As much as i love your criticisms, I dont think that (with the stupid bullshit that the PU community has stated several times) that you guys have the right to criticize.

If you critics dont have anything constructive to say, dont bother leaving a comment.

Best way to criticize is by stating your feelings about why you dislike the topic at hand, than offering your own views about the topic!
Author:  Dr. Beat [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:41 pm ]
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First of all, we can criticize as much as we want without the need to justify our criticism. I know it's poor form, but we don't have to justify ourselves.

Second of all, I think that it's stupid to show guidelines for something like this. I can't say I've ever seen someone confused as to how to rate women, and these attributes that you are mentioning are somewhat specific to the beholder. I guess this is useful information for someone who is so dumb that they can not tell if one person is more attractive than the next.

I do like reading your posts, and I especially enjoyed one I read yesterday, but this post in particular just seems like overkill. It reminds me of a topic I saw a couple weeks ago titled something along the lines of "How often should I laugh?". Really? Does that really need to be explained?

This is not meant to be malicious, though I know when reading text it can come off as incredibly abrasive.
Author:  Serj [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:46 pm ]
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Civilian,

I believe people here use a rating scale on women.
But do you think they will honestly come here to see what rank they are?
No because they have a rating scale of their own in their mind.
Nice effort though.

SERJ----->
Author:  The Omega Man [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:53 pm ]
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If ur talking to an HB10... surely it's because she's an HB10, whether you compliment or not.
She'll probably know.
How does one resolve this?
Author:  Serj [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:02 pm ]
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Quote:
If ur talking to an HB10... surely it's because she's an HB10, whether you compliment or not.
She'll probably know.
How does one resolve this?
Resolve what?
Her knowing shes an HB10?
Believe me girls know if they are hot whether you tell them or not. You just have to get around her bitch shields.

SERJ----->
Author:  jurupa [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:26 pm ]
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As much as i love your criticisms, I dont think that (with the stupid bullshit that the PU community has stated several times) that you guys have the right to criticize.

If you critics dont have anything constructive to say, dont bother leaving a comment.

Best way to criticize is by stating your feelings about why you dislike the topic at hand, than offering your own views about the topic!
Fist off grow a thicker skin. You on the net for crying out loud, people are way harsher here than they are in real life. And if you don't like what someone says you can stop reading and move on. No one is forcing you to read what someone else posted. Also posting your feelings to why one may dislike something or like it IS posting their views about the topic.

As far as the rating scale you posted. Its laughable. Its way too complicated and basing how you game a girl solely on her looks is just dumb.
Author:  johnchangmai [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:35 pm ]
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Well i read the thread and understand your point for scaling women but it seems very thin on the ground to me.

I should thread bash as like the rest on here i don't really see how it is of use to people on here.

You don't mention other factors where a women can score huge points (point being the method you are using for attaching value to looks)

For me personally. AS SOON AS SHE OPENS HER MOUTH AND SPEAKS.

A. It is all over (regardless of being a real looker)

b. a BEAUTIFUL VOICE is heaven.

Looks alone is not ENOUGH to point score a WOMEN.

You need to break this down further, a lot further.

I don't give a shit if the women is say average or below average in the looks department.

She could have a massive bitch shield and think she is hot acting just like your high scoring women.

THEY ARE ALL BITCHES.

And they can all be unpredictable which makes your scale system invalid.

Half the things people say on this site do not make sense to me.

I knew i should not have wasted 15 minutes typing this.
I could have had a beer instead.!!!

A high value women scores high everywhere except facial looks.
For a women to score heavily in face usually means lower scores everywhere else.

Thus the lower scoring women in face could easily out score the (tyical hb 10 looks alone type) by having a great body,mind,voice, hair, style,energy,movement, posture, skin tone,job even down to the way she SMILES.

So by going for 10'S means you are not always going for the HIGHEST VALUE WOMEN.

Your thread is about looks i believe no matter how you dress it up.
Author:  samex [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:54 pm ]
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So according to YOUR scale, a girls personality has as much say as her legs. :roll:


Now while I do understand the use of the scale for some men, if your going to use a scale, you have to make as accurate to yourself as possible.

Example.

because i'm 23 I place emphasis on looks. But i'm also at the end were I wouldn't mind more meaningful relationships. The only way to get that is with a girl with awesome personality.
My scale would look a little more like this...

0-5 Personality
0-3 Face
0-1 Ass
0-1 Tits

the rest I can manage and ain't too picky about.

Interesting post none the less.
Author:  Jelly [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:50 am ]
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I enjoyed the rating system but
1. Girls wear clothes, cant see their boobs or ass or legs out of the clothes if I dont f-close them, Make-up also can make point changes on a womens face.
2. A women's personality is not what you meet almost never bc of a bitch shield, she's nice to all new ppl, shy, etc. This takes an LTR to know the personality
3. Only one women could score a 10 unless they were twins. There can only be one perfect in each category and it is the model of the perfect ass, tits, etc.
4. Even if 3. is rebuttled by there is different perfects this leads into everyone's opinion is different on what points would go where bc everyone's perfect is different and this will cause a problem.
These are the problems with your scale and with any other point scale

The personal scale I use is datable, then fuckable, then fuckable drunk, then the abyss.
that scale is a least fun to talk about with your friends about instead of arguing about what size ass or tits are the best on this 1-10 scale.
Author:  Monkey [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:43 am ]
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Okay. So a couple of people have commented on this entire thread being a heaping pile of bullshit, but none of them have really gone into why. So here are two really good reasons to take a good long look at your SCALE and think very, very hard about the direction you're taking this in.

The first is not the most important, but it is the most relevant. The HB system is a subjective one. And by subjective, I mean that every man will look at every woman and have a different idea of how attractive she is. It doesn't matter if her tits are large and perky to some men. You might find a woman's face very pretty, but I will find a small flaw that completely turns me off from her (there was a young woman in my hometown who was, for the most part, completely bangable; she had a birthmark on her face that wasn't a huge deal, but it turned me off entirely). Whether or not a woman is attractive is more a whole-package deal than a sum of various parts.

Not to mention, this breakdown of the already overly-complex HB system is _completely useless_. There is absolutely _no reason_ to break things down into component parts to better understand the HB system, because the HB system has _nothing to do with picking up_. It's a way for us to quickly and efficiently describe the attractiveness of the woman we were interacting with for the purposes of field reports and peer criticism. As pick-up artists, we need this information to better evaluate the sorts of behaviors the person writing the field report might be working under, both the behaviors of the woman in question, and the behaviors of the pick-up artist. We have exactly zero reason to use the HB system in the field.

The second bit is quite a bit more important, so I'm going to put some emphasis on it: objectifying women is not going to help you get in their pants. I identify myself as something of a feminist, so take this with whatever grains of salt you feel necessary, but women are people, and it's impossible to break them down into a ranking of physical body parts with a blanket rating for "personality."

One of the biggest failings in modern pick-up is that it fails to account for the individuality of the women we're interacting with. Trying to put all women into easily identifiable categories is working against us. Find out who the woman you're seducing is; she will be much easier to seduce that way (I promise), and you might actually find out you LIKE her.
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