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Author:  Shyler [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  the great moment of eye contact
A while ago, i was still a bit shy when it came up to making eye contact. but at a certain moment, i told myself i had to do something about.

so when i was once in a shopping mal, i saw beautiful girls just everywhere. i just thought about me having to practice on making eye contact, and i saw this girl walking in the opposite direction, touching her hair and putting it right, like it was on a cheesy moment in a high school movie.

the moment i saw her, i became sexual, which was perfect, because i puted my frame on "i'm looking seductivly and she wants me." my facial expression changed lightly: it became more or less like this 8) , without the glasses and one part of my mouth turning more up like this :wink: .

She approached, and we looked each other in the eyes for 3 magical seconds. in the way she looked, i knew she wanted me.

Not that i was like "wooow! she looked at me! that's the first time a girl looked at me!". No, girls do look often at me, because i'm good looking. but before, i normaly looked away way too soon and tought "fuck! i've should have looked". everyone has this problem sometimes.

i couldn't open her, because the people in my city speak a language i don't master, and i was on a mission. but it was the start of something.

sincethen, when i'm walking in a street and i see beautiful girls (hb8+) walking in the opposite direction, i know what to do. when, i see her from the distance, i look away. only when we're moving closer and she's only 3 meters away, then i start looking seductivly in her eyes. i often find out then that she was already looking at me. she is then 1) looking in my eyes for a second, then turning her head shyly away, which makes me think "yes she looked away first", 2) she looks back all the time till we pass. that's a sexual 3 sec eye contact, or 3) she's too busy too look, which i don't care.

before, i did not know how to make eye contact well. now i can make eye contact more easily with hb8-9s.

making eye contact gives you this kick. i'm still quite nervous when im going to make eye contact with a hot babe. but it gives you this hormones explosion, making a lot of adrenalin or whatever. i'm sure girls feel the same way. but the moment rocks! it is a switch which makes you seductive, and you know then that "the Game is on" 8) [/url]
Author:  ChrisyRich [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  rAFC Exercise
That is interesting because my next sarging exercise is going to be just that. Seeing how many women I can make eye contact with, and what the best way to do that is.

I am looking for:

1. Eye contact
2. Smile

Thanks for this enlightening post.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:23 pm ]
Post subject: 
Enlightening post for real Shyler.

I still struggle with EC despite studying social dynamics(pick-up)for years now.

EC is my downfall.

I'm always 1st. to look away.

I even wrote a post months ago about this same issue.

But Im fucking encouraged by the way you go about mastering EC.

Im wondring if there's a look or certain facial expression to eye contact.

I think you said that Shyler,you made certain facial expression as she approches...

The emoticons helped so kind of get the idea of what your facial expression was like.
Author:  ~Finesse [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:49 pm ]
Post subject: 
Hey, man, it's great when you learn how to hold that seductive eye contact! I came from a very similar place as you in regards to eye contact, and now I can get the extremely hot chicks eye fucking the shit out of me and getting wet from my look, it's certainly a great feeling.

Well done bro!

Take a look at my thread on eyecontact, there may be stuff in there you find interesting...

eye-contact-game-vt67468.html

Love
☯
~Finesse
Author:  Shyler [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:27 pm ]
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For those who still have problems with eye contact, i will explain how i got rid of it more or less. Maybe you'll discover something, the unconscious core of the problem, which in turn may give you answers and solutions.

I had 3 problems why eye contact didn't work.

1) I did not know when to look. I was strugling. Before i knew this pick up stuff, i was too young, too coward and too afc to look. When i got into this stuff, i've heared and red many things. i think i had this misunderstanding. i heared from pua's like Cajun (the one from keys to the vip) that many guys watch from in the distance (the horny ones, staring :shock: ), or don't look at all (the ones who wants to be cool and say "no i'm not going to stare at her like the other ones :roll: ). He says he came close and then had eye contact, which was realy sexual.
I thought then that the girl had to look first, and that when the girl is watchin you, that you have to look back.
the thing i started to do since then, was that i never looked at them, but when they were realy close, i looked at them for a tenth of a second just looking if they were looking at me, and eventualy, if they didn't look, i turned my eyes away.
if the girls wasn't watching first but then turned her eyes on me, i thought i had to look away or otherwise, they might freak out.
This way, i learned myself to look away.
I have this friend who tells me he has a lot of eye contact. he told me he looked at girls.

it was since then that i changed my way of making eye contact.

solution 1):
i only look at girls in a range of 3 meters. ofcourse i do notice hot babes from far, but i'm not staring at girls at the other side of the bar. that's creepy. 3 meters is sexual.
i look also at girls who don't look at me first. i look into their eyes when they first before them, and that way, i force them to look back me.


2) i felt depressed. why would a girl look at me? i'm a guy who suffers a lot of depressions from time to time. Problems with school, problems at home, problems with girls. i didn't had any confidence. i tought that only hot guys got eye contact. :(

solution 2) change your inner game and look. :lol:
sure, some traumas you will cary always with you. but it is way easier to become more confident about making eye contact then about making good conversations.
first of all, you have to have some social experience and having experienced being in clubs, so you feel at least a bit comfortable in those environments.
then change your frame. just be fucking convinced that girls get wet pussies when you look at them. if you find it difficult to believe it, think this:
have you ever felt nervous, or felt a hormones explosion in your body when a cute girl looked and/ or smiled at you? well, girls probably feel the same. they too feel a hormones explosion when a guy or you look at them sexualy.
and plus, you don't have to DHV for an hour to show a girl who you are. just an eye contact of 3 secs will tell you how cocky you are.

if you're nervous about your looks (like "girls only look at handsome guys"), then here is the truth: looks do matter. handsome guys get eye contact easier.
but this can be fixed easily. if you're not good looking, change your style. put on new clothes. do a lot of peacocking, and girls will notice you!
perfume, a new cloth or a nex haircut can give you a confidence boost.


3) i did not know how to look. this is the easiest one i got over with.

solution 3). observe the look of alfa males. alfa males do things much slower. they also look more slow, turn their head way slower, move their eyes slower.
Do anyone of you know Gossip Girl? there is one guy in the serries to whom you should give credit: Chuck Bass. when he looks at a girl, he looks like a real badass. every girl i know melts for Chuck Bass (Ed Westwick) because of his looks and his famous words he always says: "Im Chuck bass!".
observe him and his looks, it will realy help you. puting my frame on "im chuck bass!" helped me a lot with making good eye contact, how ridiculous it might sound.
But generaly, smile, narrow your eyes a bit, so you look more mysterious and badass 8). you can smile several ways. if you got a realy great smile, smile all the way, which means: show your teeth :D. onconsiously, girls look at teeth, because in the animal world, a good teeth shows that you're healthy, and thus a better sexual partner. this is also for humans.
a more badass smile (and more my style) is keeping my mouth closed, but smile, with one side of my smile (the right one mostly) going up higher then the other one :wink: .
I find that such a look comes automaticly if you thinkk and put your frame on "i'm sexual. my look is sexual. my look will turn her on. im the man/(i'm chuck bass). she wants me. she wants to fuck me.


i hoped this helps you. if any problem then just post it.


@ Finesse

yeah i red the thread with joy :wink:! i'm never realy conscious of my head turning, but i indeed notice sometimes that i put my head sometimes slightly to the right backwards, so the girl sees more of my neck in front, a bit like i'm looking threatening.

interesting about your trick with looking slightly next to them, and at the right moment looking in their eyes. im gonna try this out sometime!

i also did not know that girls had a wider range of view. damn!

but yes it is very usefull in very loud clubs. like i've said, 3 seconds of good, sexual eye contact equals an hour of verbaly showing DHV and cocky funny.

you can also make games with eye contact. there was once this hb7,5 singing very loud. because the music in the bar was very loud itself, it was strange that i could hear her singing more loudly then the music. so i looked at her, with my facial expression "omg how emberrassing how loud she sings!". she noticed, looked back, stoped singing, emberrassed herself, and made an expressions with her arms and hands while saying "what?".
my look was a neg and dissarmer itself.
i just walked away then, still looking at her like "omg!". i opened her easily 3 minutes later, noticing her on the fact that she was singing very loudly. if i didn't had to at that moment, i could have have her, she was in the pocket.

i love also those games when you look at a girl, she looks back, and the two of you won't look away. then there will be this game of "who will look away first?". very playfull, but i have it only done with people from my school (who i already knew) so far.

Eye contact is just great! :D Make the best of it!
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:18 pm ]
Post subject: 
Good tips guys;Im overwhelmed with EC tips I dont know where to start.

EC has been my pet peeve forever.

I just wanted to get some basic techniques down.

Finesse gave some good tips also.

Im loving it(lol)!!!

Ok,Shyler,what you're actualy saying is that you dont look at the girl if she's too far away?

As she approches to pass by,you then give her "the look"and stare in her eyes seductively/bad-boy like?

I mean,is that what you saying?
Author:  ~Finesse [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:13 pm ]
Post subject: 
Yessss eye contact is where it's at to be honest.

The best reasons for having suave eye contact skills...

1) Opening is no longer an issue.
2) Builds sexual tension from the jump
3) Is non verbally direct from both sides, no need to use direct or indirect 'game' as the tone is already set.



Theres sooooo much fun you can have with eye contact, you can do it from across the room, across the bar, across the bus, across the train, and no one really can tell what's going on so it adds that sexy air of secrecy to it. Flirting at its best.

Love
☯
~Finesse
Author:  Shyler [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:42 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Ok,Shyler,what you're actualy saying is that you dont look at the girl if she's too far away?

As she approches to pass by,you then give her "the look"and stare in her eyes seductively/bad-boy like?

I mean,is that what you saying?
Yesss, more or less. i do look at girls from a distance. i mean, i'm a guy! if there's a cute girl or a sexy badass standing in the bar or walking on the street, ofcourse i can't help looking.
But if they're too far away, i'm not going to make eye contact, cuz it's creapie. i might look more secretly, bit i also try to concentrate on the conversations with my friends then.
Girls see it like this:
1) "horny guy staring at me from far ... god they're so annoying. is he looking at my tits? why don't they grow some balls and come standing before me and then look at me or talk to me?!"
2) "omg that guy who just passed me ... WOOOW!!! how seductivly he looked at me! i wonder how big his dick is... he got balls for sure!
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:10 am ]
Post subject: 
I get it Shyler.

I've been ignoring studying EC for years;I felt it's boring annd non-productive when it comes to sarging.

Im now having a change-of-heart due to yall guys. Thanks.
Author:  ChrisyRich [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:29 am ]
Post subject: 
Very helpful resource, I'm printing out this thread.
Author:  ~Finesse [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:55 am ]
Post subject: 
Also...



If you're in conversation with someone, you can catch eye contact with a chick who is walking past...

When doing this you MUST NOT turn your head towards the girl, you MUST NOT stop talking to the person you was talking to.

Allow a little smile to creep across your face as the girl and you lock eyes. Watch as her face lights up and a smile creeps across hers.

It's important to KEEP TALKING AND FACING the person you are talking to while you do this, I know this may sound like some stupid 'pua' rule, but if you drop the effort you're giving and devote full attention to the girl, this technique loses ALL its effect.



Why it works -

1) It's seductive eye contact
2) Girls get pretty hot for guys who are suave and are able to pull off extremely sexual communication in a very subtle way. CHICKS LOVE SUBTLETY.
3) The secrecy of it. She likes how you're able to keep doing your thing while seducing her underneath the radar of everyone else.






My advice keeps coming in 3s :P




K-loc, I'ma respond to your request in my thread when I get a better chance.
Author:  Jav [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the great moment of eye contact
Quote:
A while ago, i was still a bit shy when it came up to making eye contact. but at a certain moment, i told myself i had to do something about.

so when i was once in a shopping mal, i saw beautiful girls just everywhere. i just thought about me having to practice on making eye contact, and i saw this girl walking in the opposite direction, touching her hair and putting it right, like it was on a cheesy moment in a high school movie.

the moment i saw her, i became sexual, which was perfect, because i puted my frame on "i'm looking seductivly and she wants me." my facial expression changed lightly: it became more or less like this 8) , without the glasses and one part of my mouth turning more up like this :wink: .

She approached, and we looked each other in the eyes for 3 magical seconds. in the way she looked, i knew she wanted me.

Not that i was like "wooow! she looked at me! that's the first time a girl looked at me!". No, girls do look often at me, because i'm good looking. but before, i normaly looked away way too soon and tought "fuck! i've should have looked". everyone has this problem sometimes.

i couldn't open her, because the people in my city speak a language i don't master, and i was on a mission. but it was the start of something.

sincethen, when i'm walking in a street and i see beautiful girls (hb8+) walking in the opposite direction, i know what to do. when, i see her from the distance, i look away. only when we're moving closer and she's only 3 meters away, then i start looking seductivly in her eyes. i often find out then that she was already looking at me. she is then 1) looking in my eyes for a second, then turning her head shyly away, which makes me think "yes she looked away first", 2) she looks back all the time till we pass. that's a sexual 3 sec eye contact, or 3) she's too busy too look, which i don't care.

before, i did not know how to make eye contact well. now i can make eye contact more easily with hb8-9s.

making eye contact gives you this kick. i'm still quite nervous when im going to make eye contact with a hot babe. but it gives you this hormones explosion, making a lot of adrenalin or whatever. i'm sure girls feel the same way. but the moment rocks! it is a switch which makes you seductive, and you know then that "the Game is on" 8) [/url]
Those two things caught my attention more than anything else.

How is before, i did not know how to make eye contact well. now i can make eye contact more easily with hb8-9s. going to get you laid,
when you think like i couldn't open her, because the people in my city speak a language i don't master, and i was on a mission. but it was the start of something. ?

My point being, finesse is giving excellent advice, but without actually stepping up to a girl and beginning a conversation with her you might aswel flash your ass at her and go on the forum saying how "flashing your ass gets you alot of attention".

You don't need to 'master' anything, if you use gestures properly and know just a tiny bit you can already make alot happen. Two night ago I used three different languages (english, italian and french, I do not 'master' italian and french, in fact I suck at it) to communicate, and it went JUST FINE, my intentions were clear and make out ensued. Also take actions into account. Solely talking doesn't get you laid either. Making heart shaped figures with your hands and looking cutely at her while slapping their ass will atleast make something happen.

It's what most guys starting out do though, the real thing (actually saying something to a stranger) scares them, so they find easier stuff like holding eye contact so they get a feeling of "success" and "improvement" while actually not having achieved anything. In other words, you are dicking around doing useless stuff to fool yourself.
Author:  Onoma [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:31 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Also...



If you're in conversation with someone, you can catch eye contact with a chick who is walking past...

When doing this you MUST NOT turn your head towards the girl, you MUST NOT stop talking to the person you was talking to.

Allow a little smile to creep across your face as the girl and you lock eyes. Watch as her face lights up and a smile creeps across hers.

It's important to KEEP TALKING AND FACING the person you are talking to while you do this, I know this may sound like some stupid 'pua' rule, but if you drop the effort you're giving and devote full attention to the girl, this technique loses ALL its effect.



Why it works -

1) It's seductive eye contact
2) Girls get pretty hot for guys who are suave and are able to pull off extremely sexual communication in a very subtle way. CHICKS LOVE SUBTLETY.
3) The secrecy of it. She likes how you're able to keep doing your thing while seducing her underneath the radar of everyone else.






My advice keeps coming in 3s :P




K-loc, I'ma respond to your request in my thread when I get a better chance.
Umm... but then she's gone because you didn't stop talking to your friend and open the set?
Author:  ~Finesse [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:14 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Umm... but then she's gone because you didn't stop talking to your friend and open the set?
Forgot to say this is slightly situation dependant.

Best for in places where you know she's still going to be about, like a bar, or coffee shop or something.

You can always let her run by, then go after her. But dropping everything you're doing to stare at her will result in a big fat fail.
Author:  Shyler [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the great moment of eye contact
Quote:
Those two things caught my attention more than anything else.

How is before, i did not know how to make eye contact well. now i can make eye contact more easily with hb8-9s. going to get you laid,
when you think like i couldn't open her, because the people in my city speak a language i don't master, and i was on a mission. but it was the start of something. ?

My point being, finesse is giving excellent advice, but without actually stepping up to a girl and beginning a conversation with her you might aswel flash your ass at her and go on the forum saying how "flashing your ass gets you alot of attention".

You don't need to 'master' anything, if you use gestures properly and know just a tiny bit you can already make alot happen. Two night ago I used three different languages (english, italian and french, I do not 'master' italian and french, in fact I suck at it) to communicate, and it went JUST FINE, my intentions were clear and make out ensued. Also take actions into account. Solely talking doesn't get you laid either. Making heart shaped figures with your hands and looking cutely at her while slapping their ass will atleast make something happen.

It's what most guys starting out do though, the real thing (actually saying something to a stranger) scares them, so they find easier stuff like holding eye contact so they get a feeling of "success" and "improvement" while actually not having achieved anything. In other words, you are dicking around doing useless stuff to fool yourself.
that's so typical. i did not mention i opened these girls after eye contact, and someone just have to say (indirectly) that im like an afc for not doing it.

i've could have also made a thread about the exciting second before the kiss close. then i wouldn't have a comment saying that i'm dicking around uselessly.

if you read my post carefully again, you'll read about an approach i did.
Quote:
you can also make games with eye contact. there was once this hb7,5 singing very loud. because the music in the bar was very loud itself, it was strange that i could hear her singing more loudly then the music. so i looked at her, with my facial expression "omg how emberrassing how loud she sings!". she noticed, looked back, stoped singing, emberrassed herself, and made an expressions with her arms and hands while saying "what?".
my look was a neg and dissarmer itself.
i just walked away then, still looking at her like "omg!". i opened her easily 3 minutes later, noticing her on the fact that she was singing very loudly. if i didn't had to go later that moment, i could have had her, she was in the pocket.

and do i have to open each girl i meet? no ofcourse not! i do whatever i want. there is a time to sarge and a time to do other things. at the moment in my first post, i was with family. it would be awkward to sarge girls then. i open girls in bars if i see a cute girl i like. and even then, i'm 18, going to college next year, where i can pull out the big guns, in a social dutch environment. i'm focussing on being social and my skills before im focussing on getting laid. i don't live in the world of one night stands yet. i got a whole life before me. i'm not just a frustrated 35 old dude!

about the language, sure you have point. but it's awkward to open to open 17 years old girls who can only speak their glorified french in english or with a mediocre french. therefor i rather practice on girls in bars where they can speak my language or english, or where i don't have to speak at all!! when im a skilled 23 years old i will come back and lay these hot french girls
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