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Author:  David~ [ Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:31 pm ]
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i think a lot of you struggle with the in between stages of your old self and the person you want to be. as a result, a lot of you are probably throwing a fit wondering why shit is just bad, much worse than before.

there is a confusion of mindset, where you revolt against what you consider your "afc"self, and the person you wish to be. many of you are misinformed. these wacko fucking weirdos that have set an example in this community since it's beginning are not what we should aspire to be. nor is there mindset. it is a market for a business.

however, do not confuse those who have had success from this. but take note that if you study the characters of those who actually reap the pussy, they do not follow anybody elses mindset nor did they adopt it from anyone else. they also do not boast it.

why? because when you reap the pussy, pussy loses all the magic it use to have when you rarely got laid. so it is nothing to boast about.

those who truly aspire to change do not seek the pussy, but seek to be better men. even if you do not get the pussy, you will have my respect, and surely, the respect of other men, when you do not seek the pussy but seek to be a better man.

a man of virtue and awesome qualities. and as you begin to change into this man you, too, will reap the pussy, and not have to boast about it.

so if you are in a frustrating stage in your life, do not cry for help, but be a man and always be in a constant flux, of change and adaptability. do not just survive, but succeed in everything you do. this is a true man. and true men will reap the pussy.

"players" are nothing but insecure men who seek validation by getting pussy. so be a man. do not change who you are, for there is nothing wrong with who you are. it is okay to aspire to be a better man, but it is not okay to change who you are.
Author:  Ezo [ Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:06 pm ]
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Thats a good thing though! :)
I officially agree with this post!
Author:  Chief [ Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:12 pm ]
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Good reminder. We all need to be reminded of this every once in a while.
Author:  thinkinenglish [ Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:41 pm ]
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This post described in every word I was thinking about PUA stuff.
I've read too many posts from too many different pick-up arstis, sex gurus and so, and it seems that pussy is the only thing in the world. The key to happiness's lock.

I myself don't seek for a pussy. I try to be a better man, but damn... I am so unexperienced.. I do so many things out of the blue that turn even mine face down.. Within the time I belive I will become a better man and will not fall for all the improvements just to get more and more pussies.

I couldn't have been able to write better. Respect :)
Author:  R.G. [ Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:50 pm ]
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There is no doubt that this is a great and useful post.

I would add a different and counteractive dimension also. Sure, becoming a better guy through pickup is a noble aspiration. However, a lot of the PU teachings that help you do this are aimed at people who are, put bluntly, not very successful (by their own definitions) at life. Neil Strauss' transformation is the classic example.

That's fine, but then leads to problems for people who are good at picking up women or don't have substantial inner game issues in life. Because they end up changing themselves (perhaps in the pursuit of self-improvement, perhaps for pussy) for the worse. Then they wonder why they even bothered with PU in the first place.

This is why the original poster added this proviso:
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so if you are in a frustrating stage in your life
If you are not in a frustrating stage in your life, then don't change for the worse - you can't fix what ain't broke!

x
Author:  AFC Royal [ Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:18 pm ]
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I don't per se LOVE you, as apparently Aaron does, but SUPER AWESOME POST.

It's one thing that I've tried to say several times, but never quite said it right.

Thank you!
Author:  David~ [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:51 am ]
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rafiel, you make good solid points.

but don't forget that neil wasn't really a man before his transformation.

he complained, he whined, he was insecure.

he became a better man by taking action and going into the community. but the community also robbed him of growing as well.

get the drift? personal journey. don't go for the pussy.
Author:  madmax3000 [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:27 am ]
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what a load of shit. I mean, I'm not the one who goes after the pussy, don't get me wrong, but what you post here, its as though we shouldn't do any of this community training but we should just follow the hollywood movie endings. I hate it when people say that we should just be ourselves because I find it very insulting. Oh and I figure this should be the first post against this. Just sayin
Author:  AFC Royal [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:42 am ]
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what a load of shit. I mean, I'm not the one who goes after the pussy, don't get me wrong, but what you post here, its as though we shouldn't do any of this community training but we should just follow the hollywood movie endings. I hate it when people say that we should just be ourselves because I find it very insulting. Oh and I figure this should be the first post against this. Just sayin
Why would you find it insulting to be yourself? If that's true, you've got problems.

And here's another point: maybe you're the first to disagree with this post for a reason?
Author:  Chelios [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:44 am ]
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Great post and the truth. Too many newbies to PU think that being a player is the life style to lead.
Author:  WD [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:22 pm ]
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Great post man I'm pretty new to all this stuff n was doing it for the pussy but after gettin deeper in to all of this i realized i need to do it to be a better man first
Author:  Ezo [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:38 pm ]
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what a load of shit. I mean, I'm not the one who goes after the pussy, don't get me wrong, but what you post here, its as though we shouldn't do any of this community training but we should just follow the hollywood movie endings. I hate it when people say that we should just be ourselves because I find it very insulting. Oh and I figure this should be the first post against this. Just sayin
Well, I kinda see what you mean... I am gonna sound arrogant now and I apologiza for doing that, not my intention to be rude, just honest. This post was meant for people at a higher level of game.

The more experienced PUAs often post stuff that is obvious to them and makes a lot of sense to the ones at their level but as a newbie or a green PUA it is not always what you need to hear. Above all, you wont understand it unless you have enough experience and have gone through all that training. I remember that when I started out there was a discussion about if routines are crouches or not and I got scared because I was practicing all those routines and got insane results. And here comes mr advanced and tells me that thats just a load of bull. Of course you get upset. I did. But now I agree with this post. I have understood thanks to my PUA experience. So most of the experienced ones forget that all PUAs arent at their level, and wont understand. Fear not. You will understand this post when you have developed your game skills and above all your inner game. Thats what it is all about. Development. And this is what he is talking about. The ones who go far in the PUA world (except the commersial people) are not out to get pussy, they are out to better themselves. They are not ashamed to admit who they are. But remember also that who they are have changed since they started out. They are more confident and socially trained above all.

Basically, if your inner game is good enough, you can go back to being whoever you were before you even started, personalitywise. Dont lose track of who you are, thats what he is saying. Be you, but be a more confident you. If you have good enough inner game you can go out there and make every single mistake there is and still win.
Author:  R.G. [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:18 pm ]
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Basically, if your inner game is good enough, you can go back to being whoever you were before you even started, personalitywise. Dont lose track of who you are, thats what he is saying. Be you, but be a more confident you. If you have good enough inner game you can go out there and make every single mistake there is and still win.
Yes
Author:  johnchangmai [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:51 pm ]
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David

Your post reminds me very much about reading the TAO.

Just out of interest have YOU been accused of being a PLAYER or PUA lately.
If the answer is yes please say so.

Interestingly my friend keeps getting opened and called out on this lately and i was with him last week when it happened.

And do you have a grudge against players.

Your thread hints at it to me, but hey, what do i know.

Your threads title etc.

Hobbits answer is, almost perfect.
Author:  David~ [ Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:46 am ]
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i have no bitter resentment to anybody who entitles themselves as a player.

i have no bitter resentment to the community.

i do not know if people call me player. and if they do it does not concern me.

i only write what strikes me emotionally. that these guys who strive for self-betterment have my respect, and the respect of other men.

i am only writing because i know for a fact there are people out there that are torn at their old selves and at who they want to become. and hopefully one or two will gain something from this--that the end all is not the route for playerdom. fighting the system is emotional turmoil and absolutely unnecessary.

the route is to better yourself, because when you better yourself, you really cut the bullshit, and not only will women like you, but men will too. the goal isn't pussy because pussy doesn't solve anything. the goal is to be a better person, to strive for success in everything.

maybe one day you will understand this. maybe you won't. it seems to me that you are trying to pick apart my posts and my mindset, and that is fine. i don't mind sharing.
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