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Author:  ~Finesse [ Sun May 16, 2010 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Eye contact game...
Personally, I find eye contact can be one of the most powerful things in your 'arsenal'.

Lately I've been having issues finding my preferred style of opening... In times when I'm too lazy to 'open' in one of the more conventional ways, I tend to lock eye contact with a girl, a very sexual eye contact, I find most girls hold the eye contact until it can't be held no more. I also notice their faces progressively brighten up (i.e can't help but to smile)... sometimes I just do this for re-validation / new reference points when I'm feeling shit about myself, but generally it's pure simple to just 'open' from there... but what I prefer to do, is once that eye contact has been made and mantained, I will force them to react to me, either be smiling, squinting, frowning, whatever, then they react which basically invites you to open them. I've never had a bad reception when I've done this, and it also sets the tone from the jump.

I even do this in 'warm' sets.

I believe perhaps sexual eye contact is overlooked too frequently, and my reason is this...

If you hold sexual eye contact with a girl, and she holds that for 5+ seconds, then it's DEFINITELY... ON! From there it's not even a matter of gaging whether she's interested or not, it's not a matter of qualification and all this other bullshit, just straight up piss about and escalate.

This is particularly useful in EXTREMELY loud venues. The morning I wrote this after getting back from a huge rave, I commented that a lot of people have problems / inquire how to game in such a venue. Well that night I could actually hear people!!! (Very impressed, must be due to stuffing tissue in my ears), however, let alone having shit voice projection, I actually LOST my voice, so it was down to non verbal sexual shit for the most of the night. And it worked perfectly.

It's the most easiest/laziest style of game to run, which makes it very efficient. I guess you could call it non-verbal sexual direct (if you like to label things ;) )


Much Love
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~Finesse
Author:  johnchangmai [ Sun May 16, 2010 6:38 pm ]
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Ah at last.

This is indeed a post that i can relate to.

I am using eye contact even more now, read on.

Now im in my 30's i am starting to have hearing problems in my right ear which has been affecting me in the last 5 months.
I can't hear what people are saying in clubs. It is affecting my game as i now have hardly any hearing in my right ear.
( I am probably over conpensating by dancing more of DHV when i know i don't need to.)
I have tried ear defenders, but when your voice looses its power your stuffed.

I generate a huge happy aura and use eye contact a lot.
I use very intense looks to force reactions. This can annoy the Amog, ha ha.

The weaker females have been known to open their legs from one of my gazes.
However this is only possible when i reach a certain state of mind which is usually when i am completely sober.
But this is the problem. I can only reach this condition sober, but it is really hard if the SPAM is all wrong in the club which it is most of the time.
When i have had a few beers i can never reach that pure inner game even though i am more relaxed.

And we all know that communication is 80% ish non verbal anyway.

I don't think it is being lazy relying on eye contact alone.

Do you actually summon women to react to you purely through eye contact.

And please, please explain if you are sober or not.
Author:  SaintSunders [ Mon May 17, 2010 5:36 am ]
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I just wanted to say that you can make eye contact with out making someone feel uncomfortable by tilting your head to one side or the other, on a ‘No’ head shake path. Keeping eye contact.

(Unless you want to look confused then you can tilt the top of your head to your shoulder. But whatever you do, do not bite your shoulder when doing this, it just looks weird and doesn’t turn on girls.)

It's the same idea as taking your right eye and looking into the other person’s right eye. Which is a old trick.

By changing the degree of your head you can change the intensity of your gaze down to mathematical precision.
Author:  shleepa [ Mon May 17, 2010 5:55 am ]
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haha yeah i totaly agree with this, even before i started sarging or was even into the game to improve...eye contact was my visual opener to girls.

i actaully got a lot of compliments on my eye lashes cause apparently their really long and girl like :P hahahahah rediculous but mixed with a bit of confidence its actually got me a few girls sooo. not to mention my deep morrocan green eyes that you will no doubt get lost and fall in love in so watch out

nice post
Author:  ~Finesse [ Mon May 17, 2010 4:08 pm ]
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Ah someone raised a good point which made me remember something...




The actual technical details of what I do physically is something like this...

☺ My eyes remain fully locked with theirs.
☺ My head faces slightly wide of theirs, you do NOT want your head directly facing theirs.
☺ I have a little squint in my eyes just to make the expression more sxual/positive.


theres a trick I sometimes do involving my second point of looking slightly wide of their head... If you imagine a beam of light shining directly along the center of your eyesight, aim that beam to just skim past the side of their heads. What this acheives is they feel like you're looking at them, so they will briefly turn their eyesight to your eyes to check this... Once you feel their eyes on you, THEN move your eyesight onto their eyes. This does two things... 1) It makes them realise that you WASN'T looking at them, which... 2) Makes them feel like they were checking you out. (I've honestly found this to work a large majority of the time).

Also, other girls will notice that girls are 'checking you out'.

...sneaky, huh? ;)



Quote:
Do you actually summon women to react to you purely through eye contact.

And please, please explain if you are sober or not.
Hey, man, thanks for the response, glad I posted something you could relate to.

I find that, them holding the eye contact for more than 3 seconds (I say 5 to be fussy), is actually them reacting, however... I like to do something which requires them to respond in a more obvious way, which forces them to invest. I do this by pretty much anything (all non verbal), I could squint my eyes playfully, I could smile, I could make some funny gesture, I could mimmick her. You can pretty much do anything as long as it makes her respond. I've never had an undesired response from this, the worse I've found though if girls don't lock eye contact, all they will do, is look away. No one notices. Nothing lost.

sober/drunk... I do it both when sober and drunk, if I'm proper smashed then I may look to much of a mess to be interesting to a girl anyway, but I find I can do it sober/drunk. I think what is MORE important, is the state of the girl! If she's sober, she will be fully aware of the sexual tension/eye contact than a girl who has little clue whats going on with anything. But it's worked perfectly fine on girls who *appear* sober, saying this a lot of them have had drinks in their hands too.


An interesting point I thought of when responding to you...

Girls have a wider range of vision than males (this is why you're often surprised when a chick catches you checking out another girl when you didn't think she was watching ;) ) Why this can help you: If you're standing anywhere, in a bar, wherever, a girl can easily see you in her peripheral vision, she doesn't need to fully look at you to see what you're about. When a girl makes a full consious effort to look at you, when you haven't done anything directly to get her to look, she is checking you out. especially if she does this several times, she is most certainly checking you out. I notice when girls do this, so from there, it's pretty easy to run game, you just run 'normal' game, no funny indirect/direct 'openers', just go over and start being you.

Strangely, I find some girls can be shy to hold eye contact, even when they've been checking you out, HOWEVER they will open VERYYY easily, in fact if you walk over to them you will most likely notice their face begin to light up.


Just an extra bit of advice for you all there ;)





@SaintSunders: Thanks for your input, bro, it made me remember the stuff I forgot to include 8)



@shleepa: Hahaha, nice one, bro. I myself have fairly long eyelashes too for a guy, and often get compliments on my eyes from girls. Guess it's good that we're playing to our strengths :P 8)






Much Love
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~Finesse
Author:  Dr. Beat [ Mon May 17, 2010 5:33 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
theres a trick I sometimes do involving my second point of looking slightly wide of their head... If you imagine a beam of light shining directly along the center of your eyesight, aim that beam to just skim past the side of their heads. What this acheives is they feel like you're looking at them, so they will briefly turn their eyesight to your eyes to check this... Once you feel their eyes on you, THEN move your eyesight onto their eyes. This does two things... 1) It makes them realise that you WASN'T looking at them, which... 2) Makes them feel like they were checking you out. (I've honestly found this to work a large majority of the time).

Also, other girls will notice that girls are 'checking you out'.

...sneaky, huh? ;)
Hah! I have to try that. I use eye contact quite a bit, but that really is a good trick.

Sneaky bastard!
Author:  shleepa [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:17 am ]
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aye Finesse....hi5's on the eye trick...i tried it when i went to get a soda at the shops today and actually did a number close with this check out chik ive wanted to bang for a while...

chaaars man
Author:  SeeCarios [ Tue May 18, 2010 8:02 am ]
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I've been wondering about proper eye contact for WEEKS. I feel like eye contact is HUGE. I'm gonna read this 4-5 times this shits gold :D this should be a sticky
Author:  anychance [ Tue May 18, 2010 9:58 am ]
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Speaking from a woman's point of view, I have to agree that eye contact is crucial. There is nothing sexier to a confident woman than someone who not only meets her eyes but can hold heat in the look. If she looks away and then looks back thats an instant signal that the game has started. Let the woman see in your eyes all the things you want to do to her, it is garanteed to get a reaction. If shes a predator she'll return the look with one of her own, most likely with a sexy smile that is the invitation to come over. If they look down you have a sheep that will be an easy mark. A look away to the side, or to her friends, is a sign shes looking for the escape route already.

When I go out stalking I always look for a man who has good eye contact. If a hunter can meet my gaze and can hold the heat I send his way were both in for a good night.

any chance
Author:  minsok [ Tue May 18, 2010 12:16 pm ]
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Interesting. I don't think I've ever heard about turning your face slightly while you stare. So is that enough to make a difference, because usually when I make eye contact with a girl, she looks immediately away; it's too intense. At this point I feel like a stalker and I always forget to keep watching to see if she re-establishes eye contact.
Author:  shleepa [ Wed May 19, 2010 12:56 am ]
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i dont know if its just me but to my pua girlfriend above me if you get this.....Id say that the head to the side shows that your a bit more playfull, mixxed with a sexy smile and a strong gaze...mmmmmm breaks it down to basic animal instinct


d-_-b
Author:  SaintSunders [ Wed May 19, 2010 1:51 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Interesting. I don't think I've ever heard about turning your face slightly while you stare. So is that enough to make a difference, because usually when I make eye contact with a girl, she looks immediately away; it's too intense. At this point I feel like a stalker and I always forget to keep watching to see if she re-establishes eye contact.
Yes, you can hold eye contact with someone forever, by slightly turning your head, with out feeling like a stalker.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:02 pm ]
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Sory for ressurecting a dead post,but I really loved the insight guys.

Hey Finesse,just for my sake(lol),I want you to break down your EC further.

I didnt really get the "beam of light shining in eye example".

I wanna get that part of it.

Break it down for me Finesse.

Great post and input from the others also[Saint Sunders,etc.]
Author:  jazestix [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:13 pm ]
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relearning the game after 6 years out. how could i forget EYE CONTACT!? lol...this was an awesome thread. deserves a bump up. i am gonna go eye-fuccing this weekend!
Author:  Shyler [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:46 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Sory for ressurecting a dead post,but I really loved the insight guys.

Hey Finesse,just for my sake(lol),I want you to break down your EC further.

I didnt really get the "beam of light shining in eye example".

I wanna get that part of it.

Break it down for me Finesse.

Great post and input from the others also[Saint Sunders,etc.]
I know i'm not Finesse but i can also explain it to you 8)

beam of light is just an example he used. you can also imagine this: from your eyes comes a laser, like a sniper, and the laser comes right from your eyes. the laser points to where you are looking.

now imagine, there is this girl. you're looking with your laser eyes. you see this pretty girl. what you do is NOT staring at her. your going to stare slightly next to them. imagine that your laser is pointing to her cheeck, her ear, or between her and her friend who stand close to her. or point your laser at somebody behind her.

now she notice that you're looking. in fact, it looks like your staring at her. as a defence, she looks back wondering why you are looking at her. she is already starting to think things like "omg that creep is staring at me".

but you're not.

the moment you see them looking at you for a few seconds from the corner of your eyes, you point your laser directly right into her eyes.

what she now sees is that you now move your eyes slightly. your eyes will even more be looking at her. she now sees a difference. if you're now realy looking at her, then before you moved your laser/ eyes, she figures out, you weren't realy looking at her.

she figures out that you weren't just a creep looking at her, but at somebody behind her.

Now she feels embarrassed and ashamed that she was looking at you!

The roles have changed. She is the creep now who was looking at you! at this point, you have 1) non verbally neged her, 2) dissarmed her, 3) still made sexual eye contact.


There are several ways to react then. chances are she is ashamed and looks away. but probably she will look back! from then on, you can approach her saying/ or stil from a distance non verbally communicating with hands and face "why were you lookin at me?" and then approach her.
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