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Author:  Ezo [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Noooo, abort mission, stop that NOW!
Right retarded Subject line to an important subject.

This is about people never cutting the thread.

One of the problems with some of the PUA methods, like the MM model for example is that it replaces your "instincts" with new concepts. Often better than the ones you were used to but still you gotta realize that they arent optimal. You cannot trust them, you gotta think. Just doing stuff because they normally work is useless unless you learn to calibrate your game.

This example comes from watching a PUA in action. No names.

The PUA was sitting at a table with a very attractive and unbelievebly modest person, me. As well as the girl he is into. I was sitting in front of the girl and he was sitting next to her. We were sharing a wonderful meal as friends. Or 2 wings with one of the PUAs target.
The evening was pretty nice and the PUA in question was doing pretty ok. Not showing too much interest (like no compliments) and playful and shit. So basically pretty good.
Until I realize something that made me realize why this guy never actually gets any consistent results. He is unable to improvise and modify his game. I mean of course that he can do it but somehow when he is in a set he gets nervous and sticks to what he already knows.

I am stuffing my face while I am trying to see what I can do, I dont wanna interfere too much but I am ready to resque if things gets like all silent and awkward.
I realize that the PUA is keeping a good conversation with the target but every 3-4 minutes he has to tease her about something. And he comments on the same thing over and over. He comments her cultural background which is mixed, like telling her that she is behaving like one of the two. He comments on her language skills. He comments on her being evil. And I realize that he is doing it every time he doesnt know what to say. He goes back to basics, negging, cocky and funny. Thing is, it is not funny the third time around. It is not even cocky since he has already commented on it and she wasnt shocked. It just shows an obsession with whatever he got stuck on this time.

It goes so far that the guy is sitting there laughing to himself and the girl gives me a look, like , did you understand what was so funny about that. I feel really awkward because I am supposed to just hang back and step in in case of emergency. But the only way to save the situation is to steer it away from the topic. I do that, introduce a new subject and five minutes later he comments on the same thing again. Downwards spiral.

So I try to lead the conversation into a subject I know that he enjoys and that saves him for a while. Until he starts telling the story about whatever. It is this kind of story that isnt funny unless you were there. About people you never met in a place you dont know doing stuff you dont know about. I know the story so I try to see her reaction. She is sitting with a smile in anticipation, the smile becomes polite, disappears, she starts looking at her food, starts to play with it and... You know how this goes right?
Thing is, the guy should have seen already when the smile became polite that he has to CUT the THREAD! He needs to talk about something else. Drop the story it is not important. If something doesnt work, change tracks.

So this is the lesson I would like to share with you guys.

If you are in a situation and dont know what to do, it is ok to go back to basics. But dont do the same thing over and over. Dont repeat the same thing. Dont constantly bust her balls. Dont just call her evil all the time. You need to vary your game. It is fun the first time or the first 2 times but then it becomes annoying. Plus if you see that something you do isnt working, drop it. Even if it is part of the gameplan, DROP it! Regardless of how you feel, the girl is 50% of the sarge. You need to read her. She is telling you what to do.
And, if you are in the middle of a routine and see that it is not producing the results you were hoping for, cut it, it is not working. Go into the next topic, change your game. The game needs to be dynamic.

Hope this helps some of you guys out there.

Being able to improvise is the key.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:01 am ]
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That was funny as hell Ezo(lol)!

Great advisory post.

Not for newbies but guys who've already established patterns(as the PUA you were with).

Yea man,that would've been really awkward for me being in your place(lol).

I dont think anything's wrong with negs every 3-4 min.

But the same calculated neg is a no no.
Author:  Jav [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:34 am ]
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DUDE!


I love busting girl's balls, It's what I live for.

IT'S GLORY TIMES





STOP, telling me what NOT to do.... :(
Author:  Grey Garrick [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:40 am ]
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This is a great post!

I was wondering, though, if you are in the middle of a story and you can see she just really isn't enjoying it, do you say something to segue a topic change or do you just jump straight to a new topic without acknowledging that you are even doing it?

Thanks.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:35 pm ]
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Let me not hijack Ezo's post,but I can answer Grey Garrick's question.

In fact,when you snip(cut)a topic or routine,it will not register consciously to the girl.

She wont notice unless you telgraph your discomfort.

In fact,just because a story is hitting well doesnt mean you have to finish it.

Leave her in suspense and dont finish the thread

It's called an open loop;I forgot which dating coach populrized the concept(mybe Tyler Durden).

When something is leved unresolved( story,etc.),we are forced to resolve it mentaly.

So when you tell an interesting story;just cut it off before it finishes nd move on.
Author:  Ezo [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:12 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Let me not hijack Ezo's post,
Dont worry it was a great answer.
Quote:
STOP, telling me what NOT to do....
DO, enjoy life and go on gaming like you always do.
Author:  Grey Garrick [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:30 am ]
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Thanks. I'll be sure to make great use of this.
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