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Author:  R.G. [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Cutting the shit - how to get results
Prerequisite: You must have core confidence and frame control ability.

If you read this and sarge a lot you will begin to understand how it can really help you...get...results. This text is about results.

Stop gaming

One of the things I see in intermediate PUAs that hold them back is that they are “gaming” too much. If you “game”, you will only get “gamed” back. Almost a deranged form of rapport. You are just asking for shit tests.

Focus on getting the result

Another problem I see often is that guys are “approaching”. I don’t approach, I pick up a girl. If you want results, get results. You should go in knowing exactly your end goal. If it is setting up a day 2 and then bang her, then stop all the fancy routines and take the steps necessary to achieve your goal.

Going direct – CC method

I often use a method I call “CC”; compliment & comfort. If you have a strong frame, and are not throwing all these fancy routines and qualification material and DHV crap etc, you can CUT THE CRAP, and she will CUT THE CRAP of responding to all your shit and giving you shit tests, and you guys can really get to know each other. The benefit of the CC method is that you MUTUALLY RAISE EACH OTHER’S VALUES. A lot of pickup seems to be centralised on raising your value relative to the girl’s. This causes a dissonance that gives girls reasons to be bitchy or behave negatively on other ways.

Cut the fucking crap

I escalate as fast as is possible. If the girl is ripe to escalate, cut all the shit you’re spewing out, deal with the obstacle, and goddamn escalate. Typically in a bitchy set I’d spend 30 seconds with the opener, 30 seconds breaking the bitch shield, then AS SOON AS THAT IS DONE go straight into comfort, dishing out IOIs (from me to her) and just being chill and normal. If you are not gaming her, she will not game you back. Just be straight.

You won’t get game with this. YOU WILL GET RESULTS.

If you make your intentions clear, and don’t keep trying to game her, she has nothing to be bitchy to you about. Rather than dealing with shit tests with “techniques” (of which I think there are some really good ones), nower days I just agree or ignore it. I’ve already cut my shit, now I’m cutting their shit. If you just chillax and be a normal guy and get to the point, they will chillax and be a normal girl and get to the point.

Incidentally, my text game is basically exclusively this style. I had a big PUA meet (more for socialising, not game) last Wed but we each picked up a few girls; we then compared our subsequent text game to set up the day 2; my text game was pretty damn boring compared to other PUA’s. All I really do is start with “hey beautiful”, say “you free to meet Wednesday?” and end with “sweet dreams”. Simple. Gets the job done. Why do it the long way, opening up the risk of mistakes etc?

When you open, you should not be thinking "what do I say next, what opener should i use" etc. You should be thinking "how am I gonna bang her." (If that's your goal).

Start with the end in mind.
Work towards that end.
Cut the shit in between.
Rag her like a doo-rag.
Author:  Chelios [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:29 pm ]
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Good post, Gamers want results, so a little less gaming will get them. Anyone and everyone can use this post as a top example.

Thanks
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:58 pm ]
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Good one Raf!
Author:  ~Finesse [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:59 pm ]
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Going up to girls and overcomplimenting isn't a great way to go about things.



'Dishing out IOI's' sounds way too much like needyness or over desiring.



You're right, people are 'gaming' too much. plan on writing a similar post soon. But I feel its unfair to presume that every guy has the suave and slickness to game a girl with naturalness. Hence all the lines that seem real contrived.



Love
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~Finesse
Author:  The Doctor [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:20 am ]
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I say cut it down even further, your on the right path with cutting it down though. IMO
Author:  Energy_ [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:00 am ]
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Nice post.
Author:  Chillburg [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:39 pm ]
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Quote:
Going up to girls and overcomplimenting isn't a great way to go about things.

'Dishing out IOI's' sounds way too much like needyness or over desiring.
You don't have to look needy while dishing out IOI's. You're not asking her for her approval, you are just setting a frame. You like that girl and you're not afraid to show her. You're a fun guy to be around so why wouldn't she be honored that you come onto her instead of all the other girls around. That's what you should be thinking. You don't need to DHV to show her your qualities, you show you have qualities through your actions (humor, confidence etc).

I mean, come on, no matter how hard you try with opinion openers and stuff like that, she will always know that you're coming on to her. No matter how much you disguise it. There really is no need to disguise your intentions.

Going up to a girl and saying "You look pretty interesting, I like your style" cuts to the chase right away instead of "let me get your opinion on something" and then having to do routines and theoretical bullshit like that.

FUCK openers, and FUCK routines. Be fun, be charming, be real, be YOU.
Author:  ~Finesse [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:47 pm ]
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Quote:
Quote:
Going up to girls and overcomplimenting isn't a great way to go about things.

'Dishing out IOI's' sounds way too much like needyness or over desiring.
You don't have to look needy while dishing out IOI's. You're not asking her for her approval, you are just setting a frame. You like that girl and you're not afraid to show her. You're a fun guy to be around so why wouldn't she be honored that you come onto her instead of all the other girls around. That's what you should be thinking. You don't need to DHV to show her your qualities, you show you have qualities through your actions (humor, confidence etc).

I mean, come on, no matter how hard you try with opinion openers and stuff like that, she will always know that you're coming on to her. No matter how much you disguise it. There really is no need to disguise your intentions.

Going up to a girl and saying "You look pretty interesting, I like your style" cuts to the chase right away instead of "let me get your opinion on something" and then having to do routines and theoretical bullshit like that.

FUCK openers, and FUCK routines. Be fun, be charming, be real, be YOU.



You ever considered the major benefits of Direct-Indirect?

You can open indirect, while still communicating to the girl that you find her fucking hot and are going to be doing naughty things with her. This is very different to 'hiding your intentions'... it's a subtle direct, she will feel it, full on, but it's very suave. You can seduce her in a very sexual way whilst remaining pretty indirect.

It's very powerful when done right.



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Going up to a girl and saying "You look pretty interesting, I like your style" cuts to the chase right away instead of "let me get your opinion on something"
you talk about "you show you have qualities through your actions (humor, confidence etc)", but going up to a girl overtly direct like that, is very likely to blow you out, confidence can be shown, or 'balls' however you want to refer to it, but how are you going to get the chance to show your 'qualities' if you get blown out straight off the bat?


I like where you're coming from, bro, it would be good for you to look at the benefits of indirect and what you can use from the principles of it to maximise your game. Maybe subtlety isn't your niche or your style, but I've met plenty of girls who find that subtlety and suave very damn hot indeed.




Much Love

~Finesse
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