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... women with boyfriends, or even fiancees and husbands, will so often respond to game and cheat on them?

Through reading "The Game", and Mystery's new book, field reports, etc., it's just stunning how absolutely slutty these women are. And I'm thinking about the time a girl absolutely threw herself at me days before her wedding. Or the time a girl in a LTR was drunk and naked in my tub less than two hours after I met her. Or the time a married ex randomly showed up at my wing's house begging him to screw her.

It makes me never want to have a LTR again. It makes me never want to trust a woman again period.

It's as if you let a woman out of your sight for an hour, and she's giving her number to some guy with a routine you haven't thought of yet.

I understand that most of the guys these women are cheating on are AFC types, but it's unnerving anyway. Besides, those of us who have been in serious, real, mature relationships know that eventually the cocky/funny/alpha/I-don't-really-care-about-you thing has to calm down, because what attracts a woman at the outset doesn't necessarily keep her happy long term. Yet in relaxing the "game" inside a LTR, it seems we become vulnerable to her wanting a quick, fun fling with some cocky new guy.

Am I being too paranoid here? Are there actually women who won't cheat, who are immune to game when they're in a relationship?

Similar to Ezo, I just kind of accept it. I'm in a LTR right now, and at the beginning of the realtionship we discussed the fact that people cheat, we cheat. We understand the motives. And to avoid the trust issue we kept an open relationship. Sometimes people just want to experience a person, not because you are inadequate, but just because they are curious, or horny, or sad, or whatever. We cannot be everything to anyone. I accept this. My GF and I have had this open relationship and it is one of the most loving, trusting relationships I've ever been in. We've both done thigns with other people, but we always tell each other about it, so then it's just a part of life, and not about lying, and deceit. I find the biggest problem with cheating, at least for me, is in the deceit.

Author:	fournines [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:21 am ]
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... women with boyfriends, or even fiancees and husbands, will so often respond to game and cheat on them? Through reading "The Game", and Mystery's new book, field reports, etc., it's just stunning how absolutely slutty these women are. And I'm thinking about the time a girl absolutely threw herself at me days before her wedding. Or the time a girl in a LTR was drunk and naked in my tub less than two hours after I met her. Or the time a married ex randomly showed up at my wing's house begging him to screw her. It makes me never want to have a LTR again. It makes me never want to trust a woman again period. It's as if you let a woman out of your sight for an hour, and she's giving her number to some guy with a routine you haven't thought of yet. I understand that most of the guys these women are cheating on are AFC types, but it's unnerving anyway. Besides, those of us who have been in serious, real, mature relationships know that eventually the cocky/funny/alpha/I-don't-really-care-about-you thing has to calm down, because what attracts a woman at the outset doesn't necessarily keep her happy long term. Yet in relaxing the "game" inside a LTR, it seems we become vulnerable to her wanting a quick, fun fling with some cocky new guy. Am I being too paranoid here? Are there actually women who won't cheat, who are immune to game when they're in a relationship?

Author:	Jac Cecil [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:28 am ]
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I think you are somewhat over paranoid, but you do have a valid point. If you don't keep things interesting in a relationship then your partner is more vulnerable to falling for someone's game. However, I disagree with the statement that being cocky & funny in a relationship has to calm down. Being cocky & funny you can use even in a relationship to keep things interesting. David DeAngelo's book, "Double Your Dating", has strategies on how to do this and if you read some of the stories on his site their are plenty of anecdotes of guys staying cocky and keeping LTRs fun and interesting.

Author:	fournines [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:33 am ]
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Thanks, I will check that out. I'm not really interested in an LTR right now, but it may come in handy. To clarify, I do agree that you can still be alpha and cocky in a relationship, even a marriage. It's just that if you're going to have a serious and lasting relationship, then a lot of the attitude of "I don't really care if you're in my world or not" that is so successful in drawing women in (cat string theory or whatever) has to be toned down. In an LTR, even if she knows that you are a man and won't put up with stupid BS from her, she still knows that you DO want her, and it would upset you to lose her. So the allure of the guy who couldn't care less could be refreshing to her.

Author:	jackb1900 [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:00 am ]
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Quote: ... women with boyfriends, or even fiancees and husbands, will so often respond to game and cheat on them? Through reading "The Game", and Mystery's new book, field reports, etc., it's just stunning how absolutely slutty these women are. And I'm thinking about the time a girl absolutely threw herself at me days before her wedding. Or the time a girl in a LTR was drunk and naked in my tub less than two hours after I met her. Or the time a married ex randomly showed up at my wing's house begging him to screw her. It makes me never want to have a LTR again. It makes me never want to trust a woman again period. It's as if you let a woman out of your sight for an hour, and she's giving her number to some guy with a routine you haven't thought of yet. I understand that most of the guys these women are cheating on are AFC types, but it's unnerving anyway. Besides, those of us who have been in serious, real, mature relationships know that eventually the cocky/funny/alpha/I-don't-really-care-about-you thing has to calm down, because what attracts a woman at the outset doesn't necessarily keep her happy long term. Yet in relaxing the "game" inside a LTR, it seems we become vulnerable to her wanting a quick, fun fling with some cocky new guy. Am I being too paranoid here? Are there actually women who won't cheat, who are immune to game when they're in a relationship? There is a distinction between people of high character and those of low character. The women you are discussing have low character, low self-esteem, and are probably unhappy in their relationships, but are too weak to break it off in fear of losing that "comfort". Finding women with high value doesn't necessarily mean a woman who looks good, it is a woman who is loyal to her man. These are hard to find, and even more rare in places like the United States where a lot of the women, like the men, are undereducated and oversexed. Keep looking, there are good girls out there, but they aren't going to be the ones fucking you in the first 3 months.

Author:	Wulver [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:31 am ]
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I see this all the time..its amazing how many HB's with boyfriends will give out their number and cheat....I wont bang another guy's chick at this point but back in the day they were all game to me. Most of the time they claim they are on a break or breaking up/separated since they want to be at that very moment. Some HB's arent like this though and have morals, substance and self control...the others are just whores.

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Author:	fournines [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:52 pm ]
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What's sad is that two of the girls I'm thinking of, were not "party girls" at all. They were the very type of guys would call "sweet" and trustworthy.

Author:	Stand Up [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:07 pm ]
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I literally don't know a single girl that hasn't cheated in her life, it's just something you have to accept. Why bother with LTRs anyway. It's so much easier to just keep a few girls going at once.

Author:	fournines [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:11 pm ]
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I don't want a LTR right now, but I do enjoy them. And at some point in the next few years I'd like to have a child, so I need a LTR for that. It's just a difficult concept to swallow, because society programmed us to believe that men are cheating dogs, and women are innocent angels who don't even want sex as we do. While this isn't true, the programming makes it hard to see things clearly. That's also a pretty fucked up way of looking at relationships... "I'll never be in one because she'll cheat?" Eventually, I want a deeper and more satisfying relationship with a woman than you get out of a booty call. I guess there is no real solution here. It just bothers me how flaky women are in general, I guess.

Author:	Ezo [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:06 pm ]
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No it doesnt bother me. The reason. This is what the world looks like. No matter how your ideal world would be, you cannot change human nature. You either have to like it or learn to live with it. Being upset about it is just a waste of energy...

Author:	Fin [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:17 pm ]
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Quote: ... women with boyfriends, or even fiancees and husbands, will so often respond to game and cheat on them? Through reading "The Game", and Mystery's new book, field reports, etc., it's just stunning how absolutely slutty these women are. And I'm thinking about the time a girl absolutely threw herself at me days before her wedding. Or the time a girl in a LTR was drunk and naked in my tub less than two hours after I met her. Or the time a married ex randomly showed up at my wing's house begging him to screw her. It makes me never want to have a LTR again. It makes me never want to trust a woman again period. It's as if you let a woman out of your sight for an hour, and she's giving her number to some guy with a routine you haven't thought of yet. I understand that most of the guys these women are cheating on are AFC types, but it's unnerving anyway. Besides, those of us who have been in serious, real, mature relationships know that eventually the cocky/funny/alpha/I-don't-really-care-about-you thing has to calm down, because what attracts a woman at the outset doesn't necessarily keep her happy long term. Yet in relaxing the "game" inside a LTR, it seems we become vulnerable to her wanting a quick, fun fling with some cocky new guy. Am I being too paranoid here? Are there actually women who won't cheat, who are immune to game when they're in a relationship? Same applies to most guys in relationships. And no, It doesn't bother me, becuase Idon't think in terms of slut/ player anymore. You need to drop that mindset becuase it's absolute bullshit and blinds you from human nature.

Author:	Chelios [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:17 pm ]
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Your defo being paranoid. I'd just go with the flow, I always believe if a woman has it in her to cheat she will, if she's really good and into you she wont (from experience) Keep going with it, forget about not wanting a LTR again.

Author:	Tal0n [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:10 pm ]
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Similar to Ezo, I just kind of accept it. I'm in a LTR right now, and at the beginning of the realtionship we discussed the fact that people cheat, we cheat. We understand the motives. And to avoid the trust issue we kept an open relationship. Sometimes people just want to experience a person, not because you are inadequate, but just because they are curious, or horny, or sad, or whatever. We cannot be everything to anyone. I accept this. My GF and I have had this open relationship and it is one of the most loving, trusting relationships I've ever been in. We've both done thigns with other people, but we always tell each other about it, so then it's just a part of life, and not about lying, and deceit. I find the biggest problem with cheating, at least for me, is in the deceit.

Author:	Chelios [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:20 pm ]
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Quote: Similar to Ezo, I just kind of accept it. I'm in a LTR right now, and at the beginning of the realtionship we discussed the fact that people cheat, we cheat. We understand the motives. And to avoid the trust issue we kept an open relationship. Sometimes people just want to experience a person, not because you are inadequate, but just because they are curious, or horny, or sad, or whatever. We cannot be everything to anyone. I accept this. My GF and I have had this open relationship and it is one of the most loving, trusting relationships I've ever been in. We've both done thigns with other people, but we always tell each other about it, so then it's just a part of life, and not about lying, and deceit. I find the biggest problem with cheating, at least for me, is in the deceit. That's pretty good, but personally, I couldn't be in a long term open relationship. I'd rather just be single and do my thing.

Author:	Jav [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:52 pm ]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna-whore_complex Madonna/whore complex. It's somehow related. Also this little text written by 60 years of challenge might help you sort things out Fantasy Of Purity: Sadness & Guilt Angry to Aroused One of the girls I was dating went clubbing. I got a call from her friends that I BETTER come down to the club. What they really meant was get down here asap because your girl is all over some other guy.Nah that’s alright I’m watching the game and having beers with the boys. She was supposed to come over but doesn’t show. Doesn’t call. I’m pissed and have plans to yell at her and even break up withher. Fuck her! Finally she stumbles over my apartment at 4 am. Probably just jerked a guy off or get banged in the bathroom. But once I see that tight little body and DD’s walk in I get real horny. Plus this little slut probably just got some other guy off. This makes me horny as fuck and I bang the shit out of her all night. Really abuse her. It was awesome. Let’s talk about feelings But immediately after sex I had these feelings of sadness mixed with guilt. I wasn’t quite sure how todescribe them. I put these feelings out of my mind. What I didn’t know at the time was that these feelings of sadness and guilt was my minds way of dealing with the break from the fantasy of purity. Remember when you were younger and you jerked off to what seemed at the time like some crazy shit. Maybe this still happens to you. You jerk it to some young innocent looking woman on a leash getting absolutely abused by three guys. They are smacking her around, calling her a whore and all pop off in her face. You never had such a good jerk. But immediately after you finish, here comes that strange feeling again. Guilt and sadness. What the hell is going on? You are SAD because you think slutiness diminishes female purity which is your one hope to feel loved. And you feel GUILTY because you really really enjoyed it. The only thing being degraded is The FOP (fantasy of purity) Every hardcore porn video, amateur girl with loads of cum on her face, girl gone wild flashing her tits on spring break or crazy double-team story only degrades the fantasy of purity, NOT the woman. If a girl has cum on her face does that mean she was degraded. Dude she liked it. Only you are disturbed by it. If there is a video of her sucking cock is she no longer relationship material. The only thing really being degraded is the fantasy of purity in your mind. Which is just a fantasy. It’s NOT real. This is your problem not hers. If you had a white sticky substance on your face for a few seconds would you feel violated. Of course not. If a woman squirted in my face would another woman think I was damaged goods. That is just silly. Women don’t care about purity. Only we do. So they pretend they are innocent for us. They also get something out of it so they aren’t really complaining. Managing Your Emotions So there is really no reason to be SAD. Female purity is just a fantasy and never existed anyway. No matter what dirty sexual things a woman does it can never take away form her caring nature, enthusiasm and feminine energy. As such there is no reason to feel GUILTY for enjoying all the slutty things they love to do either. source: 60 years of challenge

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Author:	Energy_ [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:55 pm ]
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You've allready got some good replies to your questions and I just wanted to ad something on this. The odds are always against us when we meet new people. I can honestly say there are only 3-4 people I really trust. So called friends has turned out to be major A-holes. A girl I fell in love with the first time I met her turned out to be a living nighmare after 3 weeks. I've been let down be many women in my 24 years of living, and I myself have let down plenty. Most part of the human race is bunch of really sick people, but once in a while you meet someone you really like. And when you do, its so much better to trust her and potentially be let down, then being paranoid and turn your fears in to some self forfilling destiny. But as always, theese things are so much easier to say, then to live up to.