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Author:  Ezo [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:21 pm ]
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So many people care too much about girls finding out about your "player life". What if she calls you out. What if she calls you a player. What if she has read the book. What if you come across as a womanizer. What if what if what if??????

Guess what, thats just fine.

Being a player can work for you. Girls like it. At least the girls you wanna be with. The other lameass goodgirls are too bad in bed anyway. ;)

The times when I have told the girl about the game or my lifestyle it actually adds to my value, or attraction or whatever you wanna call it. The girl doesnt care, oh, she may pretend to dislike it and maybe logically she disapproves but emotionally she will still be attracted. (Now we assume that you have some kind of attraction and comfort.)
I tell the girls, but hey, you dont wanna be with me, Im not a very good guy.
They normally answer, no thats not true, I think that you are a good guy.
I say, yeah, maybe deep inside, Im not a complete asshole but you know that I am an egocentric maniac player.
She says, yeah, I know but thats ok.
Then I tell her, hey you cannot trust me, Im very untrustworthy.
And she says, yeah, Ill be fine, dont worry. You arent as bad as you think you are I can handle you.

So, the more I tell her that I am a bad guy the better she thinks that I am. Strange huh?
Not really. You see, by admitting to something like this, you are being honest. If somebody shows you their gun and puts it away in a safe somewhere you will assume that he is unarmed. He may still carry another gun somewhere. Same thing. Plus, like it or not, girls like players.

Girls think that they dont like players but the fact is, they dont know what they like, in most cases. 99% of the girls say "I would never fall for a player, Im too smart". Still the players fuck 99% of the girls. Is it because the girls dont know that the guy has a lot of women? No, it is because he shows her that, hey its no big deal. It is between you and me, nobody else will have to know. He is not the kind of loser going around bragging about it to everybody. Plus, he is not really a player, it is not his fault that girls like him. He is just attractive and he likes sex, just like a girl. Hey I can relate to this guy, hey I feel safe. Hey lets fuck!
Girls like players, if they wouldnt, there wouldnt be any players...

Ezo
Author:  Chillburg [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:50 pm ]
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I agree with you on this. I've been called out quite a few times as well, mostly because I operate in the same bar every week (when I was single, 3/4 times a week).


BUT:
A girl I was in love with always flaked on me when we set up a date, even though she told me she liked me and I knew it from mutual friends.

Later, when she was willing to go out with me for real, she admitted that she stayed away from me for a while because she heard I was a ladies man.

So, some girls (that are worth it), won't like it that you're a player, if they are interested in you for more than just sex.
Author:  trixsta [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:12 pm ]
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I believe it works both ways and this is why.

The fact is that women like players. That much we can agree on.

Whether or not it is beneficial to you is different.

I know one girl (and before someone jumps on the generalisation bandwagon I know several others) who only likes players. She just wants to be fucked by guys who fuck other women. She doesn't get attached to them she literally just wants sex. Which is cool, because I get to fuck her and she won't get attached. So here we see preselection right? The girl is attracted and lets it happen.

I've also had girls who are attracted to me but won't do anything with me because "players don't make good boyfriends", "he will just lie to me and hurt me" etc, both untrue ofcourse, but the girl is attracted and doesn't let it happen. They intentionally avoid or try to quell their attraction.
Author:  Coldman [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:41 am ]
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mmmhh... alright, then riddle me this, Ezo.

Last weekend I got a number of this girl, and while still being in the club I had a plan of meeting her later. So after rejoining my friends I sent her a text saying: "Help me, there are these 2 girls harassing me, pretend like you're my gf or something"

she text back saying: "Then why do you want me to help you?"

I text back saying: "Because I'm not interested in them"

After this I got no response, later on I sended another text saying something along the lines of: "Where are you, I'll come and look for you", but alas, it was too late, the girl lost interest.

I thought the main problem was that I send off a playerish vibe to her. But seeing as you're saying: "Woman dig players".

Can you explain what happened? Or was she just a girl that doesn't like players? (Keep in mind she told me she was on vacation in my lovely country for only 2 weeks, so I BET she was looking for a good time, rather than something in the longterm)
Author:  GreenieUK [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:01 pm ]
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I thought the main problem was that I send off a playerish vibe to her. But seeing as you're saying: "Woman dig players".
so you don't know for sure the reason she flaked on you?

Ezo's right, I asked this question in the University thread, and people told me to use the whole reputation/player vibe to my advantage, and it's worked.

Just last night I had sex with a girl in the toilet of my SU nightclub, she knew exactly who I was before I introduced myself, and later on in the night she asked me
"so are you as much of a manwhore as people say you are?"
me - "there's only one way to find out"
girl - "oh yeah, and hows that?"
me - "well, i'm gonna talk to you for another 5minutes, go get another drink and meet you outside those toilets. then you're gonna find out"

gonna put up a LR later on today, once i've taken a shower n shit
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:49 pm ]
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Last weekend I got a number of this girl, and while still being in the club I had a plan of meeting her later. So after rejoining my friends I sent her a text saying: "Help me, there are these 2 girls harassing me, pretend like you're my gf or something"

she text back saying: "Then why do you want me to help you?"

I text back saying: "Because I'm not interested in them"

After this I got no response, later on I sended another text saying something along the lines of: "Where are you, I'll come and look for you", but alas, it was too late, the girl lost interest.

I thought the main problem was that I send off a playerish vibe to her. But seeing as you're saying: "Woman dig players".
Now Im gonna be honest but friendly. So Im not a dick ok! ;)

You didnt seem to be a player, just a loser who tried to look like a player. It was pretty obvious. A real player does not need help in a situation like that, he can handle it because that is what he is used to. He deals with this situation all the time. Hence, you are not used to it and therefore not a player. You tell it and ask for her help in a desperate attempt to seem like a player and thats a wannabe attitude...

Also she wasnt attracted enough.

Women dig players who are real players. Mainly when they can pretend that you arent a player by choice but a victim of circumstance and your own awesomeness.

A guy saying, hey girl I will treat you really well, Ill be the best boyfriend ever, will probably not be so good. The girl will hear, ok, he has no idea what a woman needs so... NEXT.
A guy saying, hey I am a poor choice, I will not treat you like a princess, Im probably gonna be selfish and annoying like i was to my other girls, is gonna do better. The girl will feel that, ok you were a bad guy but only because you hadnt met the right girl yet. It will be different with her.

Ezo
Author:  Coldman [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:59 pm ]
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Last weekend I got a number of this girl, and while still being in the club I had a plan of meeting her later. So after rejoining my friends I sent her a text saying: "Help me, there are these 2 girls harassing me, pretend like you're my gf or something"

she text back saying: "Then why do you want me to help you?"

I text back saying: "Because I'm not interested in them"

After this I got no response, later on I sended another text saying something along the lines of: "Where are you, I'll come and look for you", but alas, it was too late, the girl lost interest.

I thought the main problem was that I send off a playerish vibe to her. But seeing as you're saying: "Woman dig players".
Now Im gonna be honest but friendly. So Im not a dick ok! ;)

You didnt seem to be a player, just a loser who tried to look like a player. It was pretty obvious. A real player does not need help in a situation like that, he can handle it because that is what he is used to. He deals with this situation all the time. Hence, you are not used to it and therefore not a player. You tell it and ask for her help in a desperate attempt to seem like a player and thats a wannabe attitude...

Also she wasnt attracted enough.

Women dig players who are real players. Mainly when they can pretend that you arent a player by choice but a victim of circumstance and your own awesomeness.

A guy saying, hey girl I will treat you really well, Ill be the best boyfriend ever, will probably not be so good. The girl will hear, ok, he has no idea what a woman needs so... NEXT.
A guy saying, hey I am a poor choice, I will not treat you like a princess, Im probably gonna be selfish and annoying like i was to my other girls, is gonna do better. The girl will feel that, ok you were a bad guy but only because you hadnt met the right girl yet. It will be different with her.

Ezo
Thanks for the honesty, it's the only way I'll grow. And besides I love criticism. ;)

What made you think she wasn't attracted enough? I got introduced by her friend, and the guy friends they were with basically pimped me out to her. And she had this big smile on her face when I danced with her all close and sexy and all that good stuff. :P

But I agree on that wannabe attitude, it seems so obvious now after reading your post. I won't fall into that pit again.


And are you saying that you always say this to a girl?
"hey I am a poor choice, I will not treat you like a princess, Im probably gonna be selfish and annoying like i was to my other girls"

Or do you just have that attitude, where every now and again you tell her: "We shouldn't do this, I'm poison.", or something to that effect?
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:55 pm ]
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And are you saying that you always say this to a girl?
"hey I am a poor choice, I will not treat you like a princess, Im probably gonna be selfish and annoying like i was to my other girls"
No no, I dont really "always" do stuff. This is more the feeling I give her if I feel like it. My approach is kinda like "yeah, I may be a bad boy, deal with it". She dont have to like me, and I dont have to like her, if she does its fine and if she doesnt, her loss.

The reason I think that you needed more attraction is because of the way she replied. If she would have been really into you she would have just let it go. As it was, it bothered her that you were being lame and thus, not enough attraction.

Her dancing close and sexy isnt the only thing you need, some girls just do that. You also need to keep an eye out for true and false IOIs and IODs. After you get more experience you will learn to distinguish the real ones from the false ones.
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Thanks for the honesty, it's the only way I'll grow. And besides I love criticism.
Dude, I love this! This is the only way you can grow! If only more people were thinking like you. Not hiding from their problems but dealing with them like a man. Keep this up and you will go far, fast!

In fact, have a reputation point, you have earned it!

Ezo
Author:  Coldman [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:15 pm ]
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And are you saying that you always say this to a girl?
"hey I am a poor choice, I will not treat you like a princess, Im probably gonna be selfish and annoying like i was to my other girls"
No no, I dont really "always" do stuff. This is more the feeling I give her if I feel like it. My approach is kinda like "yeah, I may be a bad boy, deal with it". She dont have to like me, and I dont have to like her, if she does its fine and if she doesnt, her loss.

The reason I think that you needed more attraction is because of the way she replied. If she would have been really into you she would have just let it go. As it was, it bothered her that you were being lame and thus, not enough attraction.

Her dancing close and sexy isnt the only thing you need, some girls just do that. You also need to keep an eye out for true and false IOIs and IODs. After you get more experience you will learn to distinguish the real ones from the false ones.
mmmhh... ok, keep on practicing I suppose... thanks.
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Thanks for the honesty, it's the only way I'll grow. And besides I love criticism.
Dude, I love this! This is the only way you can grow! If only more people were thinking like you. Not hiding from their problems but dealing with them like a man. Keep this up and you will go far, fast!

In fact, have a reputation point, you have earned it!
Thanks ;) Sometimes you can't see the mistakes you make, usually only after doing it a dozen times. Criticism is a shortcut to learning this stuff faster and ultimately becoming the man you want to be, which is your best self.


p.s. Do you think that all this is about trial and error, learning how to do it right and making your own routines that work along the way or is it about changing self beliefs and making those shifts about not caring about other people's opinions. Or just somewhere inbetween?

Trial and error just takes so long... maybe deep down I'm still looking for that quick fix.
Author:  Ezo [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:58 pm ]
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p.s. Do you think that all this is about trial and error, learning how to do it right and making your own routines that work along the way or is it about changing self beliefs and making those shifts about not caring about other people's opinions. Or just somewhere inbetween?
I think that you learn the low level game through trial and error. The routines and that kind of stuff. Then you learn intermediate game from a combination and advanced game from improved personality and inner game.

But you cant skip any steps, you gotta go through them all.
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