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| Author: | ~Finesse [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:14 pm ] |
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Calm down! This isn't going to be another debate about Direct and Indirect. The way I would describe my 'game', is Direct-Indirect. This means, that my words and actions, are Indirect, but at the same time, have a clear directness to them. I like to view it as Yin-Yang. Creating a balance of desire, and desirelessness. I want her, but I dont need her. It's all about creating a balance, and not forcing. Making her desire build, as much as yours. Your actions, and words, do not speak "Hey, I want you." and they do not speak "Hey I don't want you", instead, they are whispering a "Hey, theres something about you, I don't know what it is, but I like it, we'll have fun letting this little secret adventure grow" I use an intense push pull, but I likely do it slightly different than the typical way, I always like to have her enjoying the push pull, rather than experiencing any kind of bitterness. What I like to achieve, is an eager want, I like to build in the girl, an intense desire, and I personally feel, it's good to give them an active role in our little dance. It gets their mind, their heart, really focussed on her desire. I'm not sure how I manage to fully draw them into this, but I use a playful charm that toys with them in a way they appreciate. One that makes them feel sexy, desired, but uncertain of when or if I'll make that bigger move. They become really attached to the situation, and enjoy it. (As opposed to making them feel insecure or unwanted.) And they lust after that next step. It can also be done, by creating a whole little world that the two of you are in, but not actively persuing her. But still having a very direct subcommunication. Theres loads of different ways this Direct-Indirect manifests, and loads of ways to explain it, but I shall leave it at that for now. Hope there is something useful in this for people! Much Love --- ~Finesse |
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| Author: | Mind Hacker [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:35 pm ] |
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Have you checked out Mehow's game? He opens directly like "You guys seem fun, I had to come here and say Hi". And then do indirect game with teasing, kino, etc. |
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| Author: | ~Finesse [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:12 pm ] |
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Quote: "You guys seem fun, I had to come here and say Hi"
I never see how this is Direct. Seems more indirect to me.Guess sometimes I do a direct/relaxed approach then. Way of a natural. I think the problem with a lot of direct guys is that theyre coming in a "Hey I've came to chat you up  " kind of frame.I'm probably using more of a "Hey I'm here to play  " frame.I need to think of a way to explain this in depth. Could prove useful. Love --- ~Finesse |
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| Author: | Mind Hacker [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:21 pm ] |
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Yeah... actually that's semi-direct. You're pacing that they look fun but you didn't really give a direct interest. A direct opener would be more like "I noticed you and I'd be kicking myself for the rest of the night I didn't come here to say Hi. My name is ____.". BTW... I like Mehow's way of opening for night game. You don't need anything canned unlike Mystery method. You just go like "You guys seem [adjective you want to frame them as]. I had to come here and say Hi.". Then you tease the girl who talks to you first, so you transition smoothly to a conversation. This way you address the whole group without having to neg the hottest girl or use canned opener. Mehow is a lot more natural than Mystery. Semi-direct for night and direct for day and you're good to go. |
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| Author: | ~Finesse [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:00 pm ] |
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Quote: Yeah... actually that's semi-direct. You're pacing that they look fun but you didn't really give a direct interest.
A direct opener would be more like "I noticed you and I'd be kicking myself for the rest of the night I didn't come here to say Hi. My name is ____.". BTW... I like Mehow's way of opening for night game. You don't need anything canned unlike Mystery method. You just go like "You guys seem [adjective you want to frame them as]. I had to come here and say Hi.". Then you tease the girl who talks to you first, so you transition smoothly to a conversation. This way you address the whole group without having to neg the hottest girl or use canned opener. Mehow is a lot more natural than Mystery. Semi-direct for night and direct for day and you're good to go. Sounds a lot like how you're sposed to use mystery method. Or how I used it anyway. But yeah, I use Direct-Indirect for bar game, Direct for street, day game sometimes indirect is really good. Much Love --- ~Finesse |
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| Author: | Reo [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:21 pm ] |
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Quote: I need to think of a way to explain this in depth. Could prove useful.
How about writing an actual real life field report.
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| Author: | ~Finesse [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:37 pm ] |
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Quote: Quote: I need to think of a way to explain this in depth. Could prove useful.
How about writing an actual real life field report.Because it wouldn't be beneficial. --- ~Finesse |
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| Author: | Reo [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:12 am ] |
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Quote: Quote: Quote: I need to think of a way to explain this in depth. Could prove useful.
How about writing an actual real life field report.Because it wouldn't be beneficial. --- ~Finesse Your response to me says it all. You are just a theory writer no real game. Every last one of your post have you talking about how you think game should work, or your thoughts on inner game, how you should push pull, or maybe you'll post a link to someone else's book etc. but you never write about your own personal experiences nothing about what you have actually said to a woman. |
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| Author: | ~Finesse [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:49 am ] |
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Quote: Quote: Quote:
How about writing an actual real life field report.
Because it wouldn't be beneficial. --- ~Finesse Your response to me says it all. You are just a theory writer no real game. Every last one of your post have you talking about how you think game should work, or your thoughts on inner game, how you should push pull, or maybe you'll post a link to someone else's book etc. but you never write about your own personal experiences nothing about what you have actually said to a woman. Where do all my 'theories' come from? I stopped making posts for several months while I worked intensely on several areas of game. It took a lot of realising that most methods/shit I've read has held me back and repressed my natural skills. There's several reaosns I don't post field reports, if you really want to know why I dislike them... 1)My Field/Lay reports, my pick ups, will often have things I did shit/that I'm not happy with, and I don't want to be sharing bad information. 2)A lot of people ask me for 'come backs' and responses, because they know I'm good with them. And I don't want people using my reports as a resource for 'canned comebacks'. 3) When I write up field/lay reports, I often realise my own mistakes and often post about the mistakes as general questions/issues when I notice a trend in the mistakes. (sticking points perhaps) 4)It takes me an hour to write up 5 minutes of interaction!!! my ego want's everyone to know every minute subtle detail and I have trouble leaving things out. 5) I find it much better to work out, from experience, what works for me, then listing what they are, as that way people can make it their own. Rather than copying my 'lines'. I have a catalogue of verbals written up from infield experiences, sorting through them would take forever, and I'm still not so keen on people making 'canned' responses from my stuff. If you've noticed a recent wave of posts from me, it's because I've experienced/learnt/worked out a whole lot in the past several months, and I'm just trying to write it up/get it out there for people to learn from, criticise, give feedback on. It also gives me something to look back on incase I forget important things as my game developes further. I'm sorry that you can't find anything beneficial to take away from my posts, hopefully you'll find something useful in future ones. But i'll be happy knowing others can take things from my recent posts. As I'm not posting these primarily for my own benefit, but for everyone. Much Love --- ~Finesse |
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