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Author:  Chris101 [ Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:24 am ]
Post subject:  113 numbers. No girlfriends and only a few dates.
Something isn't right about this, and I'm trying to figure it out. I've been part of the community and learning everything possible about "The Game" for over a year now, after becoming increasingly frustrated with a lack of confidence and feeling of hopelessness with attracting the opposite sex (even though I was already outgoing and befriending people).

But even though I've progressed in many ways, for example being able to approach more (in both day and night settings), build attraction/comfort quicker and eventually rack up the big tally of numbers you see above (which I record in my journal book), I can rarely follow-up and see the person again. It's still fulfilling and good practise, but starting to feel pointless at the same time. I have k-closed a few times, but I'm more interested in making a connection and LTRs than casual hook-ups.

So there's a lot of flaking going on, from never responding to calls or texts to exchanging texts but her either ignoring or denying any day-two requests for some reason or another. Not to mention a sense of dishonesty sometimes, like saying something but doing or thinking another, which I've gotten used to and tried not to take personally. And it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference whether I'm being overly nice and genuine or aloof and teasing in a more "Bad Boy" style.

So feel free to ask questions about myself and how I generally operate in-field (since I was more general here without specific examples), and with my responses, hopefully others on this forum can help me get better results with adjustments and improvements I can make. Same applies to helping others in a similar situation.
Author:  wasim90 [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:59 pm ]
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Dude, dont be in it for a relationship just yet, aim for a friends with benefits zone, so k close escalate and f close in the same day if u cant get a second date, but fuck the girl first, it seals the deal EPICALLY.

also have a look on the forum for day 2 info, basically with day twos, u have to make it extremely casual, and make it seem like u just want to learn more about her. girls normally run if they here "relationship" too soon.

if u cant find ANY day 2 info on the forum, which i seriously doubt, then pm me i'll try to find some stuff.
Author:  Youth Riot [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:32 pm ]
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Have you tried being yourself?
Author:  Jav [ Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:54 am ]
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I don't know if your conversation are generic ones, asking a bunch of questions, engage a little then ask another one?

Because maybe you're not setting yourself apart from any other male enough.

Be fun using roleplays, you two are getting married! where are you going for your honeymoon?

Stuff like that gives so much more original questions/stuff to work with than "where do you work, oh really? what's that like? yada yada"

Also playing it safe is something alot of guys do. Do you play it safe? are you scared that something you might say might piss her off?

Also, do you have a fr on this board?

If not, care to make one? Try to make it as detailed as possible
Author:  Ethanol [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:35 am ]
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Im on my lunch break so i only got a minute :P

But Im going to go with Jav here. I've seen you interact with women in the field, and you are damn good. You seem to have zero AA when approaching any woman and your a quick thinker in just about any conversation. Any set Ive been in with you hasnt had a single awkward moment of silence... which is a thing I struggle with as you know.

But sometimes when Im sitting next to you in the set listening to the conversation. Ive had before where I think the conversation is only neutral. (even though you got the number). Then other times the conversation is much more engaging. Remember when I met up with you at the Duke? (The night my savings card didnt work) When you were there with a few friends and you had approached the two set and you introduced them to me? Those two had a spark in their eyes and you could see that the lady u k-closed was genuinely interested. And now I think of it. You were much more lively that night and in more natural mode.You looked like you were much more out there to have fun and to have a good time. Not just to get a number or something more long term. Im going to agree with with Jav and instead of just having a conversation the next time. Do roleplay or do something more fun and interesting then the other men approaching her that night.

E.
Author:  Chief [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:28 am ]
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Dude, dont be in it for a relationship just yet, aim for a friends with benefits zone, so k close escalate and f close in the same day if u cant get a second date, but fuck the girl first, it seals the deal EPICALLY.
+1
Author:  Marc [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:06 am ]
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Your game is possibly very close toone of my friend's, you probably can get a girl into a trace wen you meet them but once they are out of it, they dont want to see you again. So my friend - He can open ANYONE, Hook, k-close and escalate BUT struggles with day 2, cant get day 2(s) to save his life. His solution was simple - 'Seal the Deal' in the very same night. This alone changed his dating life.
Author:  Cowboy_09 [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:19 am ]
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The one thing i have learnt in my two years of improving at this stuff....

PULL THE TRIGGER

Go for the same night, screen the logistics and dont be a pussy. If you are being sexual on the dancefloor , do NOT make out with her. Grab her by her wrist and lead her out of the club. If she asks where you are going say its to an all night club with great food and drink, then go off topic.

Then fuck the shit out of her. It is what women want!
Author:  David~ [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:40 am ]
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What you fucking complaining for?
Author:  Chris101 [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:00 pm ]
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Alright, so now I finally decide to return to this poignant thread I recently posted. My game has obviously come a pretty long way, but I probably still don't push my interactions far enough. I can understand how role-playing and future-projection would be useful in terms of having a more unique, memorable impression and forming a stronger connection.

Which happened to be experienced first-hand last Friday night, when I went out with some friends. Heck, my target for the whole night was part of a set opened by a friend of mine (before I even got there). I stayed with said target for the rest of the night, had many IOIs, danced together, and for some reason she developed this plot about us being together for four years, and how I should propose to her soon, which she started telling others and expecting me to play along. This obviously created a very natural excuse for kino escalation and being more comfortable to k-close at various times.

Earlier she agreed that I would drop her off home, then before leaving she said she'd rather catch a taxi, so even though we swapped numbers I thought she had lost interest and attempting a Day Two would be the usual difficult task. Well, two days later she messages me and says "I was hoping we could go out for drinks or dinner soon". The first time a fresh lead has ever contacted me first. And it was also the first time I spent the whole night pretending I was in a long term relationship with an HB I just met.

Coincidence? I doubt it. But when it comes to "sealing the deal" quickly or something like that, there are usually logistical problems that stop that from being possible. And Marc, I can relate to what you said about putting people in a trance. Even when my anxiety is low, I can blow my chances by getting bogged down in comfort building while not doing enough to stand out, build value and be more attractive overall. One thing I do practise all the time is banter and being in a content, non-reactive state, so I probably just have to keep building upon this.
Author:  Energy_ [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:20 pm ]
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Coincidence? I doubt it. But when it comes to "sealing the deal" quickly or something like that, there are usually logistical problems that stop that from being possible. And Marc, I can relate to what you said about putting people in a trance. Even when my anxiety is low, I can blow my chances by getting bogged down in comfort building while not doing enough to stand out, build value and be more attractive overall. One thing I do practise all the time is banter and being in a content, non-reactive state, so I probably just have to keep building upon this.
While taking someone home the first night its important you make her feel safe the moment she decides if she's going with you.
There are a few things you can say that will increase the chanses of bringing back to your place:
Get her number and make plans for day2 on the spot- this has to be flawless. If doesnt wanne see you on a potential day 2 your fucked anyways.
Now she knows you to are gonna hook up for day 2 so she wount feel like you are just trying to have sex with her.
Then keep going, kiss her, talk to her, build more comfort, push and pull.
Fuck man! Make her feel like she's a bit "crazy" like she's the kind of girl that has the guts follow her instincts (having sex with you). Then wait for it! Dont overdo it.

Then make a false bounce: Lets get something to eat.
Outside: "Changed my mind. Hold my hand, my place is really close" (if you take a cab, but doesnt need to know this and you are going to make out with her in the backseat so she wount think about it anyways)
If you do this with confidence and she's attracted to you and trusts you, she will come with you.
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