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inability to cum inside a girl.

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inability to cum inside a girl.

Wow I have that... how did you uh, fix.. that? I always have to say "finish me off?"

The things i needed to do in order to feel like a confident, alpha male were: Get a job, Get a clean-cut hair cut, make sure I am groomed everywhere I go, work out (it is amazing how fast your body responds do a good work out regime, same with eating healthy), Force myself to be a positive person and always project myself as a positive person. FUCKING SMILE! FUCKING ALWAYS MAKE EYE CONTACT! NOT WEIRD EYE CONTACT THOUGH!

1: ELIMINATE ANY ANXIETIES THAT BOTHER YOUR BRAIN AT ALL. FOR SOME THIS MAY BE PAINFUL, BUT IT IS NECESSARY.

2: WANT TO TO BE THE SHIT. THINK YOU ARE THE SHIT. MAKE YOURSELF THE SHIT. BE THE SHIT.

4: FOR ME, THE BEST WAY TO BECOME A PUA IS DEVELOP YOUR NATURAL SELF AS A PUA. BY DEVELOPING NATURAL GAME, YOU ARE PROGRESSING AND WIDENING YOUR SKILL-SET THROUGH EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BE A 3RD PERSON IN AN INTERACTION (YOUR PUA CANNED KNOWLEDGE, YOU, HB), YOU JUST FLOW AND ADAPT TO EVERY INTERACTION!

I did not come up with any of these concepts, these are just my experiences when applying the knowledge that I have learned. Pretty much all of this is straight out of the Gunwitch method

actually a job , clean haircut and so forth isn't alpha at all , think like this : isn't it more alpha if you go out with a bad haircut ? i mean do you care what other people think about external things like haircuts ? if you cut your hair - you adapt to what other people will think of you - you think your hair will decrease your succes factor like cosmopolitian magazine told us 300 times... working out isn't alpha either - i stole girls from so called '' mascular cool guys ''. New haircut , job , workout regime isn't alpha - it's only for you. You don't take a job to be more succesfull with girls or more alpha, do you think girls will care ?
i was unemployed for the past six months and picked up models, hooked up with a succesfull psychologist.

actually im still unemployed ... i got a long unwashed hair and im dressed like crap but im happy with that - it's not decreasing my skill in picking up woman. im also writing a book now and im following a language course , i do what i like and not what i should have - i believe this makes us alpha - being authentic and doing what YOU LIKE no matter what social conditioning or other people say.

Forcing yourself to be a postive person ... this is DOING and NOT BEING this is just like regular canned game - you setup an identity to DO and NOT BE. it's ok to force yourself because it's the first step to change , but do realize this is supplication to some degree. If i scout the club with a smile on my face i often get approached by alot of woman, about a year ago i was very muscular ( i was professional athlete ) but woman found it intimidating. Now im less muscular and i just walk around the club with a warm smile because I AM and i LIKE and woman approach me. if you think woman will like you if you smile you are supplicating , you think woman like you for something and not really you.

Guys ,woman don't like you for your job or money, when im telling a girl im writing a book and following a study instead of working, they admire it. they admire the fact i chose to do what i like instead of working 24/7 like i've done for years they don't mind the fact im not rich, i don't have much money and they totally accept it.

Approach anxiety has nothing to do with approaching girls , you have AA because you unconciously think you aren't worth it. You feel that without a job you can't approach rich hotties, you feel that if you aren't good looking you need some lines to compensate that issue. these a girls ... just like your mom they are human and you have not to fear anything. You got issues because society told you you need to look hot in order to be succesfull , society told you being rich will get you woman. society tells you money and status is alpha .....but if you really look at the most succesfull people in life you see that they had nothing , they were total outsiders. YOu got issues otherwise you wouldn't get AA .... ok i get AA but not because i don't dare to approach .. i get AA because i got financially ripped buy girls, girls stole money, girls i dated had STDs , girls i dated had boyfriends without telling me or were married woman. what im afriad of is not AA but it's what kind of people i have in front of me because most people in clubs are not the best kind of people ...

K-closes and shit don't mean anything.... 50 number closes in a week don't mean shit. go after girls you really want , girls who know what they want and are passionate about life. For guys who go after K closes or number closes ... GET A LIFE and stop wasting time in doing useless shit, being good with woman doesn't mean your good with life - IT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. Drawing value from picking up woman means EXTERNAL VALIDATION - SUPPLICATION.. about a year ago i still did Kcloses and still number closes but nowadays i don't accept number and i don't have sex with complete strangers. contribution to other people gives me value, writing my book - doing what i like gives me value. Numbers and kiss closes with coke whores don't mean shit - if you get value from that you got serious problems.
Do you think getting laid makes you a good person ? do you think buddhist monks are bad people ?

Look if it's is your goal to be good with woman then do it , but do realize it isn't what life is about. .

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being a PUA is the worst identity you can have ... because a PUA is addicted to attention from woman ... they need IOI and so forth. They even want confirmation from woman they don't want , it's in your reality to be a PUA you will get attached to the outcome. You will supplicate to some degree when woman don't confirm your identity.

Canned game isn't natural.... being PUA isn't natural ..... your missing the whole point however your just beginning your journey so its completely OK. Being natural is being free from social conditioning and do what you want in life, know what you value in life and don't give a fuck what other people think of you. being natural is being in touch with your core essence, if you see a girl you want you don't even need to use PUA tactics and skills because you believe fully 100 % in yourself. if you believe girls like you for who you are, if you believe fully 100 % they will like you and you will get in state ( the zone where you talk like crazy ) becuase you don't rely on external validation to get in state.
Being PUA is not believing that girls will like you for who you are , you just setup a identity - a shield because deep inside you don't believe girls could like you just for you. If your really natural you don't need to game or you don't need to call yourself PUA.

I believe fully 100 % in myself ... i opened girls with the chodiest shit , i got number from girls with the chodiest afc openers ever. if it doesn't work you make it work and if it still doesn't work YOU MAKE YOURSELF WORK.
i see your post and im like .... well .. i was like this 3 or 4 years ago ... i knew about 1 % about society and 1 % about picking up woman. i don't hear you talking about what being a man really is , i don't hear you talknig about state or spirituality, i don't hear you talknig about beliefs or motivation. Your just a regular guy who did something and it worked , now you believe you discovered the magic pill.

the magic pill doesn't exist it's just a bandage over a gaping wound. and guess what .. i told you you are a regular guy ... WE ALL ARE JUST GUYS ... you are just somebody who executed a series of steps to get where you at, this is why i respect chodes as much as '' so called PUA ''. actually i have more in common with chodes instead of PUA... im a ex-chode. A pua with some tactics and skills is just a lethal chode , a chode who is dangerous in the club. a guy who really is natural doesn't label himself because he doesn't care , he know who he really is.

my god .... using a method isn't a interaction ... you are using shit to make people react in a way that you want. It is one way interaction it's manipulation , years ago when i was gaming with this ''PUA identity '' i felt isolated .... i felt like i need to say the same shit over and over ... i couldn't enjoy a regular conversation because i needed the girl to like me if not concious it's subconcious. i was unconciously attached to the outcome and i needed to DLV people before i could feel in state. DLV and getting IOIs is a stupid thing if you think about it , it's very negative to make stupid comments about a girls appearance ..... she's hot .. she knows she's hot .... why neg a girl on her appearance when you really think she's hot ? ..... '' yeah i met my boyfriend in a bar ... he was so cool ... he said my nails looked gross.. '' lol really guys .. cmon....

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I did not come up with any of these concepts, these are just my experiences when applying the knowledge that I have learned. Pretty much all of this is straight out of the Gunwitch method

Look man, i like you got where you are right now ... but do realize you are again a victim of social conditioning and marketing ... you used this method and these concepts instead of really getting your own beliefs. you cared what other people think , if you really care what other people have come up with ( concepts ) you care what people think to some degree. You probably put the creator of gunwitch method on such a high pedestal, you probably believe shit that will come out of his mouth wihtout even thinking about your own opinion.

owen cook , jeffy , erik markovich , neil strauss, brad , ..... they are all admired by the community .. i also admire what they have done for other people and i really respect them , but i don't respect them more than other people and i don't put them on a pedestal. They are just dudes who executed a series of steps to get where they are and i admire their journey but that doesn't make them gods. i don't believe the things they say , i like suggestions and i like opinions of other people - we can inspirate eachother BUT i don't assume what they say is correct or right. I hate social conditioning enough to really not give a fuck what other people will think, even the PUÁ's and naturals. Is this your life or not your life ? if it is your life then start acting like it is !

here's a lesson ..... also for all newbs who read this and have AA...... i helped people , actually i helped alot of people with issues and problems i even do on this forum. Im actually writing a book about social conditioning in relationships, i don't want to profit much from it. I want the book to be as cheap as possible because my goal is to help people and make them concious instead of making profit from selling books. I've been through shit guys ... cheating girls, coke whores , girlfriend with split personality , pregnancy, maniacs, addicted to drugs , suicide attempts, being put down by people all my life, society rejecting me on every way people telling me i couldn't do shit - that i was too small and not capable of doing shit. when i was 12 years old my teacher told my parents i would never amount to anything - i would probably never do something in life because i lack the social cognitive abilities.

Because i had really nothing and lost all of my friends when i was about 17 and lost my job and couldn't pay my rent i tried to get a better life and tried to join the army, in a psychological evualation this guy , this psychologist contacted my previous teacher screened my past and so forth - he told me i was probably uncapable of doing things that were necassary when applying for this job... i was agian home .. uncapable of changing things and society working against me. it was the only chance i had at that point to change my life in a postive way. Because i was 17 ( need to be 18 )i couldn't get a driver license to get a job outside my town . i had no money whatsover , i couldn''t afford my train ticket to the army test center. my best friend hooked up with my girlfriend..... and more to come but i don't want to be over-dramatic here .. it was the start of suffering and the start of change.

right now after all the shit i've been through, you could say i would become total egocentric and selfish, i decided to not be that. i've decided to help people and make contributions because that's giving me value. I don't want anything and you don't need to thank me - i know what i've been through and i love it because it made me to what i am today. I had no people that helped me , i did spend 4 years all alone , sitting in my room on 4 new years eve all alone feeling miserable, walking outside midnight through a dark forrest because i felt to miserable to face people because i couldn't accpet the fact they were happy.

after being alone... realizing other people face same problemsas well or even maybe worse i decided THIS CAN'T STAND .... if society is so good then why was i fucked up over and over and why are people fucked in general. I want to give people what i did not have at those worst moments and that's someone to talk to and at least someone who gives the right information to end their suffering , just to realize who they are. if i can't be there i will write something and comfort you with my opinions because every human is unique , society doesn't care if your unique they just want you to be a consumer with a huge bank account. i care who you are , i don't care if you don't got a huge bank account , i don't care if your a bum living on the streets and i don't care how old you are, i don't give a fuck who you are you got my respect anyway and i have time for you.

now if you read all the above ... do you value what i do? do you value i want to help people without making profit from it ?

now when i enter a club ... no matter if it's me or a dokter who save thousand of people , who do you think will get in first ? me and the doktor or a selfish coke whore ? the coke whore who have plastic tits her previous BF bought for her, the BF which she cheated on and now she's going out getting free drinks from people and snorting coke and spreaking STDs hurting people emotionally. SOCIETY and guys in general give more value to this good looking coke whore, lets face it guys society dictates good looking woman to have power because they are good looking, society tells you it's the peak of superficial value if you get a good looking girfriend.

this is why i don't care about girls wether they are hot or not .... this is why i don't have AA. Because it's ridicolious that someone like that is getting putted on a pedestal by society and hundreds of guys. it's all superficial and that's why you shouldn't care, the only AA i have is someone throwing drugs in my drink. you guys just value woman because in the end you are chasing them, you are gaming them for their attention or sex.
I don't even go after girls anymore i just enjoy fun cocky conversations , i don't have sex with girls. Girls have to deserve my sex , i only have sex with someone who i think is high quality enough for me.

anyway ... i got to study right now but i hope you get something out of this story and why GAME IS SO STUPID .... IT tells you to chase woman BY NOT supplicating. You do something in order to get them thus you are still chasing.....
Like i said you've just started your journey.. you are probably just the guy who knows some body language, subconcious social cues and not supplicating.
now don't put me on a pedestal or tell my im a expert because if you do that you miss the whole point im trying to make.
i really want to go in depth but ......
in short terms ... this journey ... right now im not this guy who is good with woman , im a guy who is good with himself.

Author:	KarmaPolice [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:03 am ]
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Hello! This is a post I made on the FR/LR forums, but it is essentially the method in which I went about changing my inner game completely and forming a natural game that works for me. I see that this forum is pretty inactive so I hope you enjoy! Let will warn you, this is going to be a long post. But my hope and belief is that there will be a lot of useful information in for (but not limited to) college-aged RAFC's. I will be making an effort to condense my main points in the interest of length. A little background on me: Lost virginity at 16. When I turned 22 in December, right before I learned about PUA, I had laid about 20 girls. Most were 6-7's, and when I did lay girls, it was mostly of like bottom feeding on LE girls. But I always struggled with what I thought was "anxiety" or "depression." I am 5'9" 185 pounds, with a medium athletic build (some fat rolls on stomach and love handles). I certainly was not happy with my life, and I would come to find the true remedy to these problems. How I can honestly explain how THE CONFIDENCE TAUGHT BY PICKUP HAS CHANGED MY LIFE, IN EVERY ASPECT: Of all pick-up gurus, Gunwitch's methods and ideas have most congruently fit with my observations out in the field. (I urge anyone to read Gunwitch 1&2 who has not.) While I can understand how canned lines and such may work for openers, to rely solely on a canned formula to go from Opener-> close requires about 100x more effort than needed. The first thing that I did was got my inner game together. I found it ESSENTIAL to fix every thing in my life that ever struck me with anxiety. The things i needed to do in order to feel like a confident, alpha male were: Get a job, Get a clean-cut hair cut, make sure I am groomed everywhere I go, work out (it is amazing how fast your body responds do a good work out regime, same with eating healthy), Force myself to be a positive person and always project myself as a positive person. FUCKING SMILE! FUCKING ALWAYS MAKE EYE CONTACT! NOT WEIRD EYE CONTACT THOUGH! I found that without at least working on the things above, my game around girls was at about 5% capacity. (You get the idea) APPROACH ANXIETY HAS A SURE-FIRE CURE: Do the noobie quest! (Go to a bar, MAKE EYE CONTACT, AND SAY "Hi" and wait for her response. Do this to every girl that you pass.) Once I was used to the fact that girls LOVE BEING TALKED TO, it makes your life completely different. THE OPENER THAT I USE ON EVERY SINGLE GIRL THAT I EVER WANT TO TALK TO WITH 99% CHANCE TO AT LEAST START A CONVERSATION: Me: (smiling, eye contact, positioning my body with confidence) Hi. Her: Hi! Me: How's it going? Her: pretty good. (or if you're lucky you get: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH) Me: (15 seconds should have passed, she is realizing I am confident and fun, I have had ample time to think of something to say about her shirt, or the bar were at, or the weather, or the guy stumbling around drunk.) For me, the topic of conversation is pretty irrelevant. Just talk about bullshit untill you find something shes passionate about. I have found it extremely hard to pull girls from bars and clubs to f close, but have gotten numerous (25+) kiss close's and grinding dances from just talking to whoever is looking hot. CONCLUSION: THE GIRLS THAT I FCLOSED ON: HB6 Neighbor's friend from out of town. HB7 Neighbor. HB7 My brother's FB's friend. HB8 "19" year old Canadian Girl Down from Spring Break. (same day lay) HB8 Ex-FB while back in town for Spring Break. Do you see a pattern here? I find it much easier to focus on laying girls that you already have a firmer rapport with. But it should also be mentioned that I do not focus on my number close's, as they seem to require a ton of work, and have a high flake ratio. JUST A REVIEW OF MY MAIN POINTS: 1: ELIMINATE ANY ANXIETIES THAT BOTHER YOUR BRAIN AT ALL. FOR SOME THIS MAY BE PAINFUL, BUT IT IS NECESSARY. 2: WANT TO TO BE THE SHIT. THINK YOU ARE THE SHIT. MAKE YOURSELF THE SHIT. BE THE SHIT. 3: ONCE YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO OPEN EVERY CONVERSATION YOU WANT, (MALE OR FEMALE) YOU WILL NEVER REGRET A MISSED OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT IS LIFE-CHANGING SHIT. 4: FOR ME, THE BEST WAY TO BECOME A PUA IS DEVELOP YOUR NATURAL SELF AS A PUA. BY DEVELOPING NATURAL GAME, YOU ARE PROGRESSING AND WIDENING YOUR SKILL-SET THROUGH EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BE A 3RD PERSON IN AN INTERACTION (YOUR PUA CANNED KNOWLEDGE, YOU, HB), YOU JUST FLOW AND ADAPT TO EVERY INTERACTION! 5: EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW IS IN GUNWITCH METHOD!!!!!!! I'd like to close by saying that I am still an RAFC, and no where near where I intend to be in 2 or 3 years. But what I am saying, is that I have been depressed pretty much my whole life, and I haven't been for the past 3 months. I am happier and more confident than I have ever been in my whole life. Everyone around me notices it, and it feels amazing. I can only thank the PUA community for this. I did not come up with any of these concepts, these are just my experiences when applying the knowledge that I have learned. Pretty much all of this is straight out of the Gunwitch method. I can elaborate on anything anyone has questions about. Thanks for reading, and if one person benefits from this, then this post has ful-filled it's reason for me.

Author:	Sappa [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:20 am ]
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Inspirational man. i read it twice taking notes

Author:	Little Panda [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:30 pm ]
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I admire that you're taking your time to inspire people on the forum. Good post, keep up the good work!

Author:	trixsta [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:42 pm ]
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You are so right, fully agree. I've been having more success lately because now I've finally got rid of something holding me back - inability to cum inside a girl. Well, now I did it several times and when I see a girl I see nothing to fear, instead only great pleasure of me making her cum then letting myself go til climax. Really does work wonders, great post.

Author:	whattttttt [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:55 pm ]
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Quote: inability to cum inside a girl. Wow I have that... how did you uh, fix.. that? I always have to say "finish me off?"

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Author:	KarmaPolice [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:01 pm ]
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Thanks for the supportive replies, I plan on being a more active part of the forum community now that i have my computer back As for cumming problems, I could go on for days about mine but I dont think this is the venue

Author:	l oasis l [ Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:21 pm ]
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Good post, I'm sure many can learn and relate to it

Author:	DboTheHero [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:02 am ]
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Inspirational, informative post, thanks ~Deebo

Author:	trixsta [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:05 am ]
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Quote: Quote: inability to cum inside a girl. Wow I have that... how did you uh, fix.. that? I always have to say "finish me off?" I looked it up on google and it's called Delayed Ejaculation. I can give you some information but best to do what I did and google! It can stem from several things, masturbating differently as a child, not being truly comfortable in the situation, not trusting the girl you're with or simply fear. Apparently therapy has a low success rate of solving this problem, they suggest getting a fleshlight to get used to the feel of a vagina but I already know how they feel very well so saw that as pointless. It can't always be fixed, it's actually a very serious issue - however girls love you for it as you last ages. I overcame it by getting to know this oen girl really well, and knowing she was even more nervous than me I just went for it and just came. It felt so good, now I can do it all the time provided I don't get too sweaty and need a drink!

Author:	LeathalWeapon [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:10 pm ]
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great post man, i felt like that 3 months ago. i was having success in every part of the game. seeing that you bring up a topic about climaxing, over the past year it has become difficult to climax during intercourse. in my current LTR the problem has to be at its worse. i can go for 2 hrs at a time, i try everything, end up workin up a sweat and having to give up. although it provides for great pleasure with the female it can become very discouraging.

Author:	whattttttt [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:24 pm ]
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thanks trixta, i think it has something to do with jacking off. her: "Are you sure you didn't come yet? Me: "Are you fucking kidding me! NO I HAVEN'T COME , I would have definitely noticed, (mumbles) stupid bitch..... (keeps pumping)"

Author:	Lodewijkp [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:17 pm ]
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im not here to to brag or something and i like your post, however... your journey has just started , your not at a point - you just got the major issues fixed and dealed. i also respect you took steps in order to get something ... most people just sit around and do nothing. first of all any method isn't natural , a method which regards itself a natural method isn't a method at all because methods thrive on identity or a certain mindset. Methods tend to keep you in one mindset and refuse full freedom of mind, to me natural means flexible and freedom. Quote: The things i needed to do in order to feel like a confident, alpha male were: Get a job, Get a clean-cut hair cut, make sure I am groomed everywhere I go, work out (it is amazing how fast your body responds do a good work out regime, same with eating healthy), Force myself to be a positive person and always project myself as a positive person. FUCKING SMILE! FUCKING ALWAYS MAKE EYE CONTACT! NOT WEIRD EYE CONTACT THOUGH! actually a job , clean haircut and so forth isn't alpha at all , think like this : isn't it more alpha if you go out with a bad haircut ? i mean do you care what other people think about external things like haircuts ? if you cut your hair - you adapt to what other people will think of you - you think your hair will decrease your succes factor like cosmopolitian magazine told us 300 times... working out isn't alpha either - i stole girls from so called '' mascular cool guys ''. New haircut , job , workout regime isn't alpha - it's only for you. You don't take a job to be more succesfull with girls or more alpha, do you think girls will care ? i was unemployed for the past six months and picked up models, hooked up with a succesfull psychologist. actually im still unemployed ... i got a long unwashed hair and im dressed like crap but im happy with that - it's not decreasing my skill in picking up woman. im also writing a book now and im following a language course , i do what i like and not what i should have - i believe this makes us alpha - being authentic and doing what YOU LIKE no matter what social conditioning or other people say. Forcing yourself to be a postive person ... this is DOING and NOT BEING this is just like regular canned game - you setup an identity to DO and NOT BE. it's ok to force yourself because it's the first step to change , but do realize this is supplication to some degree. If i scout the club with a smile on my face i often get approached by alot of woman, about a year ago i was very muscular ( i was professional athlete ) but woman found it intimidating. Now im less muscular and i just walk around the club with a warm smile because I AM and i LIKE and woman approach me. if you think woman will like you if you smile you are supplicating , you think woman like you for something and not really you. Guys ,woman don't like you for your job or money, when im telling a girl im writing a book and following a study instead of working, they admire it. they admire the fact i chose to do what i like instead of working 24/7 like i've done for years they don't mind the fact im not rich, i don't have much money and they totally accept it. Approach anxiety has nothing to do with approaching girls , you have AA because you unconciously think you aren't worth it. You feel that without a job you can't approach rich hotties, you feel that if you aren't good looking you need some lines to compensate that issue. these a girls ... just like your mom they are human and you have not to fear anything. You got issues because society told you you need to look hot in order to be succesfull , society told you being rich will get you woman. society tells you money and status is alpha .....but if you really look at the most succesfull people in life you see that they had nothing , they were total outsiders. YOu got issues otherwise you wouldn't get AA .... ok i get AA but not because i don't dare to approach .. i get AA because i got financially ripped buy girls, girls stole money, girls i dated had STDs , girls i dated had boyfriends without telling me or were married woman. what im afriad of is not AA but it's what kind of people i have in front of me because most people in clubs are not the best kind of people ... K-closes and shit don't mean anything.... 50 number closes in a week don't mean shit. go after girls you really want , girls who know what they want and are passionate about life. For guys who go after K closes or number closes ... GET A LIFE and stop wasting time in doing useless shit, being good with woman doesn't mean your good with life - IT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. Drawing value from picking up woman means EXTERNAL VALIDATION - SUPPLICATION.. about a year ago i still did Kcloses and still number closes but nowadays i don't accept number and i don't have sex with complete strangers. contribution to other people gives me value, writing my book - doing what i like gives me value. Numbers and kiss closes with coke whores don't mean shit - if you get value from that you got serious problems. Do you think getting laid makes you a good person ? do you think buddhist monks are bad people ? Look if it's is your goal to be good with woman then do it , but do realize it isn't what life is about. Girls who flake , girls who cheat, girls who snort coke... I don't care really ... Gaming didn't make things better .. gaming made it much more worse because i felt like i was to supposed to be this guy who is good with woman. Yeah i got laid i could get a new GF on the same day and pull her out of the club but i had no female friends whatsoever. if you are gaming to get woman you are already in a wrong mindset because you are attached to the outcome and you care what people think of you. instead of this go out and have fun - entertain yourself - this is your life. Right now i value female friends more than getting laid or getting a GF , don't get me wrong here because if i would see a girl who is worthy enough i would get her. Quote: 1: ELIMINATE ANY ANXIETIES THAT BOTHER YOUR BRAIN AT ALL. FOR SOME THIS MAY BE PAINFUL, BUT IT IS NECESSARY. it doesn't eliminate anxieties ... you just put a bandage on them . Don't go out for 2 motnhs and don't talk to woman for 2 months - you will see your AA is getting back. meaning it is still there. Quote: 2: WANT TO TO BE THE SHIT. THINK YOU ARE THE SHIT. MAKE YOURSELF THE SHIT. BE THE SHIT. of course you are the shit ... this is your life and go for it!. Quote: 4: FOR ME, THE BEST WAY TO BECOME A PUA IS DEVELOP YOUR NATURAL SELF AS A PUA. BY DEVELOPING NATURAL GAME, YOU ARE PROGRESSING AND WIDENING YOUR SKILL-SET THROUGH EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BE A 3RD PERSON IN AN INTERACTION (YOUR PUA CANNED KNOWLEDGE, YOU, HB), YOU JUST FLOW AND ADAPT TO EVERY INTERACTION! being a PUA is the worst identity you can have ... because a PUA is addicted to attention from woman ... they need IOI and so forth. They even want confirmation from woman they don't want , it's in your reality to be a PUA you will get attached to the outcome. You will supplicate to some degree when woman don't confirm your identity. Canned game isn't natural.... being PUA isn't natural ..... your missing the whole point however your just beginning your journey so its completely OK. Being natural is being free from social conditioning and do what you want in life, know what you value in life and don't give a fuck what other people think of you. being natural is being in touch with your core essence, if you see a girl you want you don't even need to use PUA tactics and skills because you believe fully 100 % in yourself. if you believe girls like you for who you are, if you believe fully 100 % they will like you and you will get in state ( the zone where you talk like crazy ) becuase you don't rely on external validation to get in state. Being PUA is not believing that girls will like you for who you are , you just setup a identity - a shield because deep inside you don't believe girls could like you just for you. If your really natural you don't need to game or you don't need to call yourself PUA. I believe fully 100 % in myself ... i opened girls with the chodiest shit , i got number from girls with the chodiest afc openers ever. if it doesn't work you make it work and if it still doesn't work YOU MAKE YOURSELF WORK. i see your post and im like .... well .. i was like this 3 or 4 years ago ... i knew about 1 % about society and 1 % about picking up woman. i don't hear you talking about what being a man really is , i don't hear you talknig about state or spirituality, i don't hear you talknig about beliefs or motivation. Your just a regular guy who did something and it worked , now you believe you discovered the magic pill. the magic pill doesn't exist it's just a bandage over a gaping wound. and guess what .. i told you you are a regular guy ... WE ALL ARE JUST GUYS ... you are just somebody who executed a series of steps to get where you at, this is why i respect chodes as much as '' so called PUA ''. actually i have more in common with chodes instead of PUA... im a ex-chode. A pua with some tactics and skills is just a lethal chode , a chode who is dangerous in the club. a guy who really is natural doesn't label himself because he doesn't care , he know who he really is. my god .... using a method isn't a interaction ... you are using shit to make people react in a way that you want. It is one way interaction it's manipulation , years ago when i was gaming with this ''PUA identity '' i felt isolated .... i felt like i need to say the same shit over and over ... i couldn't enjoy a regular conversation because i needed the girl to like me if not concious it's subconcious. i was unconciously attached to the outcome and i needed to DLV people before i could feel in state. DLV and getting IOIs is a stupid thing if you think about it , it's very negative to make stupid comments about a girls appearance ..... she's hot .. she knows she's hot .... why neg a girl on her appearance when you really think she's hot ? ..... '' yeah i met my boyfriend in a bar ... he was so cool ... he said my nails looked gross.. '' lol really guys .. cmon.... Quote: I did not come up with any of these concepts, these are just my experiences when applying the knowledge that I have learned. Pretty much all of this is straight out of the Gunwitch method Look man, i like you got where you are right now ... but do realize you are again a victim of social conditioning and marketing ... you used this method and these concepts instead of really getting your own beliefs. you cared what other people think , if you really care what other people have come up with ( concepts ) you care what people think to some degree. You probably put the creator of gunwitch method on such a high pedestal, you probably believe shit that will come out of his mouth wihtout even thinking about your own opinion. owen cook , jeffy , erik markovich , neil strauss, brad , ..... they are all admired by the community .. i also admire what they have done for other people and i really respect them , but i don't respect them more than other people and i don't put them on a pedestal. They are just dudes who executed a series of steps to get where they are and i admire their journey but that doesn't make them gods. i don't believe the things they say , i like suggestions and i like opinions of other people - we can inspirate eachother BUT i don't assume what they say is correct or right. I hate social conditioning enough to really not give a fuck what other people will think, even the PUÁ's and naturals. Is this your life or not your life ? if it is your life then start acting like it is ! here's a lesson ..... also for all newbs who read this and have AA...... i helped people , actually i helped alot of people with issues and problems i even do on this forum. Im actually writing a book about social conditioning in relationships, i don't want to profit much from it. I want the book to be as cheap as possible because my goal is to help people and make them concious instead of making profit from selling books. I've been through shit guys ... cheating girls, coke whores , girlfriend with split personality , pregnancy, maniacs, addicted to drugs , suicide attempts, being put down by people all my life, society rejecting me on every way people telling me i couldn't do shit - that i was too small and not capable of doing shit. when i was 12 years old my teacher told my parents i would never amount to anything - i would probably never do something in life because i lack the social cognitive abilities. Because i had really nothing and lost all of my friends when i was about 17 and lost my job and couldn't pay my rent i tried to get a better life and tried to join the army, in a psychological evualation this guy , this psychologist contacted my previous teacher screened my past and so forth - he told me i was probably uncapable of doing things that were necassary when applying for this job... i was agian home .. uncapable of changing things and society working against me. it was the only chance i had at that point to change my life in a postive way. Because i was 17 ( need to be 18 )i couldn't get a driver license to get a job outside my town . i had no money whatsover , i couldn''t afford my train ticket to the army test center. my best friend hooked up with my girlfriend..... and more to come but i don't want to be over-dramatic here .. it was the start of suffering and the start of change. right now after all the shit i've been through, you could say i would become total egocentric and selfish, i decided to not be that. i've decided to help people and make contributions because that's giving me value. I don't want anything and you don't need to thank me - i know what i've been through and i love it because it made me to what i am today. I had no people that helped me , i did spend 4 years all alone , sitting in my room on 4 new years eve all alone feeling miserable, walking outside midnight through a dark forrest because i felt to miserable to face people because i couldn't accpet the fact they were happy. after being alone... realizing other people face same problemsas well or even maybe worse i decided THIS CAN'T STAND .... if society is so good then why was i fucked up over and over and why are people fucked in general. I want to give people what i did not have at those worst moments and that's someone to talk to and at least someone who gives the right information to end their suffering , just to realize who they are. if i can't be there i will write something and comfort you with my opinions because every human is unique , society doesn't care if your unique they just want you to be a consumer with a huge bank account. i care who you are , i don't care if you don't got a huge bank account , i don't care if your a bum living on the streets and i don't care how old you are, i don't give a fuck who you are you got my respect anyway and i have time for you. now if you read all the above ... do you value what i do? do you value i want to help people without making profit from it ? now when i enter a club ... no matter if it's me or a dokter who save thousand of people , who do you think will get in first ? me and the doktor or a selfish coke whore ? the coke whore who have plastic tits her previous BF bought for her, the BF which she cheated on and now she's going out getting free drinks from people and snorting coke and spreaking STDs hurting people emotionally. SOCIETY and guys in general give more value to this good looking coke whore, lets face it guys society dictates good looking woman to have power because they are good looking, society tells you it's the peak of superficial value if you get a good looking girfriend. this is why i don't care about girls wether they are hot or not .... this is why i don't have AA. Because it's ridicolious that someone like that is getting putted on a pedestal by society and hundreds of guys. it's all superficial and that's why you shouldn't care, the only AA i have is someone throwing drugs in my drink. you guys just value woman because in the end you are chasing them, you are gaming them for their attention or sex. I don't even go after girls anymore i just enjoy fun cocky conversations , i don't have sex with girls. Girls have to deserve my sex , i only have sex with someone who i think is high quality enough for me. anyway ... i got to study right now but i hope you get something out of this story and why GAME IS SO STUPID .... IT tells you to chase woman BY NOT supplicating. You do something in order to get them thus you are still chasing..... Like i said you've just started your journey.. you are probably just the guy who knows some body language, subconcious social cues and not supplicating. now don't put me on a pedestal or tell my im a expert because if you do that you miss the whole point im trying to make. i really want to go in depth but ...... in short terms ... this journey ... right now im not this guy who is good with woman , im a guy who is good with himself.

Author:	Lodewijkp [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:53 pm ]
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o yeah . problems in cumming isn't a problem, your GF probably like long sex and girls don't like guys that cum too fast, i don't see the problem, your GF must be a very happy girl.

Author:	yio [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:20 pm ]
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Lodewijkp ! thanks alot for that post!

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Author:	KarmaPolice [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:45 pm ]
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Wow, thanks so much for your extensive, thorough review of my post Lodewijkp. However, in the midst of plugging your upcoming "book," you seemed to have missed the point entirely of my post. Allow me to clarify a few of your invalid rebuttals. Quote: actually a job , clean haircut and so forth isn't alpha at all , think like this : isn't it more alpha if you go out with a bad haircut ? i mean do you care what other people think about external things like haircuts ? if you cut your hair - you adapt to what other people will think of you - you think your hair will decrease your succes factor like cosmopolitian magazine told us 300 times... working out isn't alpha either - i stole girls from so called '' mascular cool guys ''. New haircut , job , workout regime isn't alpha - it's only for you. You don't take a job to be more succesfull with girls or more alpha, do you think girls will care ? i was unemployed for the past six months and picked up models, hooked up with a succesfull psychologist. actually im still unemployed ... i got a long unwashed hair and im dressed like crap but im happy with that - it's not decreasing my skill in picking up woman. im also writing a book now and im following a language course , i do what i like and not what i should have - i believe this makes us alpha - being authentic and doing what YOU LIKE no matter what social conditioning or other people say. If you actually read my post, you will see that I never claim that any of these acts are alpha. Furthermore, I couldn't give a shit less about the logistics of what is or isn't "alpha." I simply listed the things that I needed to do in order to build up MY inner game to where it needed to be. Thats awesome that you've hooked up with models and doctors, but it is a bit ludicrous to think that you wouldn't be more attractive to women by being employed and having a more fit body. Quote: Forcing yourself to be a postive person ... this is DOING and NOT BEING this is just like regular canned game - you setup an identity to DO and NOT BE. it's ok to force yourself because it's the first step to change , but do realize this is supplication to some degree. If i scout the club with a smile on my face i often get approached by alot of woman, about a year ago i was very muscular ( i was professional athlete ) but woman found it intimidating. Now im less muscular and i just walk around the club with a warm smile because I AM and i LIKE and woman approach me. if you think woman will like you if you smile you are supplicating , you think woman like you for something and not really you. You are mistaken. When I say that I forced myself to be a positive person, I meant more along the lines of the law of attraction rather than putting on a fake smile. Quote: Guys ,woman don't like you for your job or money, when im telling a girl im writing a book and following a study instead of working, they admire it. they admire the fact i chose to do what i like instead of working 24/7 like i've done for years they don't mind the fact im not rich, i don't have much money and they totally accept it. Exactly, you are "writing a book." That fills the role of employment to a girl, and is very interesting and attractive. Quote: Approach anxiety has nothing to do with approaching girls , you have AA because you unconciously think you aren't worth it. You feel that without a job you can't approach rich hotties, you feel that if you aren't good looking you need some lines to compensate that issue. these a girls ... just like your mom they are human and you have not to fear anything. You got issues because society told you you need to look hot in order to be succesfull , society told you being rich will get you woman. society tells you money and status is alpha .....but if you really look at the most succesfull people in life you see that they had nothing , they were total outsiders. YOu got issues otherwise you wouldn't get AA .... ok i get AA but not because i don't dare to approach .. i get AA because i got financially ripped buy girls, girls stole money, girls i dated had STDs , girls i dated had boyfriends without telling me or were married woman. what im afriad of is not AA but it's what kind of people i have in front of me because most people in clubs are not the best kind of people ... Ok? So where do you prove that my stated method of getting over AA will not work for some RAFC's like me? Quote: K-closes and shit don't mean anything.... 50 number closes in a week don't mean shit. go after girls you really want , girls who know what they want and are passionate about life. For guys who go after K closes or number closes ... GET A LIFE and stop wasting time in doing useless shit, being good with woman doesn't mean your good with life - IT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. Drawing value from picking up woman means EXTERNAL VALIDATION - SUPPLICATION.. about a year ago i still did Kcloses and still number closes but nowadays i don't accept number and i don't have sex with complete strangers. contribution to other people gives me value, writing my book - doing what i like gives me value. Numbers and kiss closes with coke whores don't mean shit - if you get value from that you got serious problems. Do you think getting laid makes you a good person ? do you think buddhist monks are bad people ? Who are you to tell people what they do or don't want out of pick-up or life in general? Some guys never have gotten anyone external validation from women, and would like to bask in it for a couple years until they are more comfortable with women. Quote: Look if it's is your goal to be good with woman then do it , but do realize it isn't what life is about. . This is pretty much the point of my post, lol. Quote: Quote: 4: FOR ME, THE BEST WAY TO BECOME A PUA IS DEVELOP YOUR NATURAL SELF AS A PUA. BY DEVELOPING NATURAL GAME, YOU ARE PROGRESSING AND WIDENING YOUR SKILL-SET THROUGH EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BE A 3RD PERSON IN AN INTERACTION (YOUR PUA CANNED KNOWLEDGE, YOU, HB), YOU JUST FLOW AND ADAPT TO EVERY INTERACTION! being a PUA is the worst identity you can have ... because a PUA is addicted to attention from woman ... they need IOI and so forth. They even want confirmation from woman they don't want , it's in your reality to be a PUA you will get attached to the outcome. You will supplicate to some degree when woman don't confirm your identity. Canned game isn't natural.... being PUA isn't natural ..... your missing the whole point however your just beginning your journey so its completely OK. Being natural is being free from social conditioning and do what you want in life, know what you value in life and don't give a fuck what other people think of you. being natural is being in touch with your core essence, if you see a girl you want you don't even need to use PUA tactics and skills because you believe fully 100 % in yourself. if you believe girls like you for who you are, if you believe fully 100 % they will like you and you will get in state ( the zone where you talk like crazy ) becuase you don't rely on external validation to get in state. Being PUA is not believing that girls will like you for who you are , you just setup a identity - a shield because deep inside you don't believe girls could like you just for you. If your really natural you don't need to game or you don't need to call yourself PUA. I believe fully 100 % in myself ... i opened girls with the chodiest shit , i got number from girls with the chodiest afc openers ever. if it doesn't work you make it work and if it still doesn't work YOU MAKE YOURSELF WORK. i see your post and im like .... well .. i was like this 3 or 4 years ago ... i knew about 1 % about society and 1 % about picking up woman. i don't hear you talking about what being a man really is , i don't hear you talknig about state or spirituality, i don't hear you talknig about beliefs or motivation. Your just a regular guy who did something and it worked , now you believe you discovered the magic pill. the magic pill doesn't exist it's just a bandage over a gaping wound. and guess what .. i told you you are a regular guy ... WE ALL ARE JUST GUYS ... you are just somebody who executed a series of steps to get where you at, this is why i respect chodes as much as '' so called PUA ''. actually i have more in common with chodes instead of PUA... im a ex-chode. A pua with some tactics and skills is just a lethal chode , a chode who is dangerous in the club. a guy who really is natural doesn't label himself because he doesn't care , he know who he really is. my god .... using a method isn't a interaction ... you are using shit to make people react in a way that you want. It is one way interaction it's manipulation , years ago when i was gaming with this ''PUA identity '' i felt isolated .... i felt like i need to say the same shit over and over ... i couldn't enjoy a regular conversation because i needed the girl to like me if not concious it's subconcious. i was unconciously attached to the outcome and i needed to DLV people before i could feel in state. DLV and getting IOIs is a stupid thing if you think about it , it's very negative to make stupid comments about a girls appearance ..... she's hot .. she knows she's hot .... why neg a girl on her appearance when you really think she's hot ? ..... '' yeah i met my boyfriend in a bar ... he was so cool ... he said my nails looked gross.. '' lol really guys .. cmon.... Quote: I did not come up with any of these concepts, these are just my experiences when applying the knowledge that I have learned. Pretty much all of this is straight out of the Gunwitch method Look man, i like you got where you are right now ... but do realize you are again a victim of social conditioning and marketing ... you used this method and these concepts instead of really getting your own beliefs. you cared what other people think , if you really care what other people have come up with ( concepts ) you care what people think to some degree. You probably put the creator of gunwitch method on such a high pedestal, you probably believe shit that will come out of his mouth wihtout even thinking about your own opinion. Never claimed there was a magic pill, just stated what worked for me. Also, you wated your breath. Any intelligent person knows that you must always observe, and question someone else's words. I would never take ANY PUA's words as absolute truth. Quote: owen cook , jeffy , erik markovich , neil strauss, brad , ..... they are all admired by the community .. i also admire what they have done for other people and i really respect them , but i don't respect them more than other people and i don't put them on a pedestal. They are just dudes who executed a series of steps to get where they are and i admire their journey but that doesn't make them gods. i don't believe the things they say , i like suggestions and i like opinions of other people - we can inspirate eachother BUT i don't assume what they say is correct or right. I hate social conditioning enough to really not give a fuck what other people will think, even the PUÁ's and naturals. Is this your life or not your life ? if it is your life then start acting like it is ! here's a lesson ..... also for all newbs who read this and have AA...... i helped people , actually i helped alot of people with issues and problems i even do on this forum. Im actually writing a book about social conditioning in relationships, i don't want to profit much from it. I want the book to be as cheap as possible because my goal is to help people and make them concious instead of making profit from selling books. I've been through shit guys ... cheating girls, coke whores , girlfriend with split personality , pregnancy, maniacs, addicted to drugs , suicide attempts, being put down by people all my life, society rejecting me on every way people telling me i couldn't do shit - that i was too small and not capable of doing shit. when i was 12 years old my teacher told my parents i would never amount to anything - i would probably never do something in life because i lack the social cognitive abilities. Because i had really nothing and lost all of my friends when i was about 17 and lost my job and couldn't pay my rent i tried to get a better life and tried to join the army, in a psychological evualation this guy , this psychologist contacted my previous teacher screened my past and so forth - he told me i was probably uncapable of doing things that were necassary when applying for this job... i was agian home .. uncapable of changing things and society working against me. it was the only chance i had at that point to change my life in a postive way. Because i was 17 ( need to be 18 )i couldn't get a driver license to get a job outside my town . i had no money whatsover , i couldn''t afford my train ticket to the army test center. my best friend hooked up with my girlfriend..... and more to come but i don't want to be over-dramatic here .. it was the start of suffering and the start of change. right now after all the shit i've been through, you could say i would become total egocentric and selfish, i decided to not be that. i've decided to help people and make contributions because that's giving me value. I don't want anything and you don't need to thank me - i know what i've been through and i love it because it made me to what i am today. I had no people that helped me , i did spend 4 years all alone , sitting in my room on 4 new years eve all alone feeling miserable, walking outside midnight through a dark forrest because i felt to miserable to face people because i couldn't accpet the fact they were happy. after being alone... realizing other people face same problemsas well or even maybe worse i decided THIS CAN'T STAND .... if society is so good then why was i fucked up over and over and why are people fucked in general. I want to give people what i did not have at those worst moments and that's someone to talk to and at least someone who gives the right information to end their suffering , just to realize who they are. if i can't be there i will write something and comfort you with my opinions because every human is unique , society doesn't care if your unique they just want you to be a consumer with a huge bank account. i care who you are , i don't care if you don't got a huge bank account , i don't care if your a bum living on the streets and i don't care how old you are, i don't give a fuck who you are you got my respect anyway and i have time for you. now if you read all the above ... do you value what i do? do you value i want to help people without making profit from it ? now when i enter a club ... no matter if it's me or a dokter who save thousand of people , who do you think will get in first ? me and the doktor or a selfish coke whore ? the coke whore who have plastic tits her previous BF bought for her, the BF which she cheated on and now she's going out getting free drinks from people and snorting coke and spreaking STDs hurting people emotionally. SOCIETY and guys in general give more value to this good looking coke whore, lets face it guys society dictates good looking woman to have power because they are good looking, society tells you it's the peak of superficial value if you get a good looking girfriend. this is why i don't care about girls wether they are hot or not .... this is why i don't have AA. Because it's ridicolious that someone like that is getting putted on a pedestal by society and hundreds of guys. it's all superficial and that's why you shouldn't care, the only AA i have is someone throwing drugs in my drink. you guys just value woman because in the end you are chasing them, you are gaming them for their attention or sex. I don't even go after girls anymore i just enjoy fun cocky conversations , i don't have sex with girls. Girls have to deserve my sex , i only have sex with someone who i think is high quality enough for me. anyway ... i got to study right now but i hope you get something out of this story and why GAME IS SO STUPID .... IT tells you to chase woman BY NOT supplicating. You do something in order to get them thus you are still chasing..... Like i said you've just started your journey.. you are probably just the guy who knows some body language, subconcious social cues and not supplicating. now don't put me on a pedestal or tell my im a expert because if you do that you miss the whole point im trying to make. i really want to go in depth but ...... in short terms ... this journey ... right now im not this guy who is good with woman , im a guy who is good with himself. Wow this is quite a name-dropping monologue. While I appreciate your overwhelming spirit that just drips with the desire to help others, but it really doesn't show itself in your writing. In fact, it sounds as if you still harbor many misanthropic feelings towards men and women, and from my perspective it clouds your ego. Maybe next time you should make a unique post about how to deal with being cynical towards women, rather than extraneously replying to my post with it. While many people may identify with you post, and you do make several valid points, I would have to say that the energy you project is predominantly negative. Now I'm sure you will say that it's just my social conditioning and ignorance to whats really going on. It is still possible to be happy in life while acting within social conditioning, and adhering to social norms. My post may be more about being happy rather than pick-up, but to say that everyone needs to reach the social apathy of a zen master to be where they need to be is crazy.