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| Author: | Apollo [ Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | A Lesson in Value Exchange: An Overview of DHV and DLV |
Ok guys, I have been reading over these forums for a while now and realize that some of you, even some of the more dedicated post profiles, do not fully understand the true power of the concept of Value Trading. Some of you are well advanced into understanding and seeing the trades... So this might seem redundant and basic for you few, but is important for those new to the game. So, out of everything I have learned, studied and experienced since I joined the community, Value Trading is the concept that I have read and understand the most. So, I am typing this overview so that new guys can be helped and older members can understand. Lesson 1: Every social interaction is a demonstration of DHV and DLV Every single social interaction you have, value is traded between two or more people. This means that when you talk to your sweet grandmother, or when your professor is lecturing you on not to talk during class, or when you are fooling around with your roommate's girlfriend and she says "Ouch, that hurts," value is being traded, whether it is a DHV or a DLV. This is no mere exaggeration. Watch next time you see two people talking. Even through two people simply saying: Person 1: “Hello, how are you?” Person 2: “I am great. How are you?” Person 1: “I am alright.” Person 1 gave away their own value because they answered with a more sullen word. Another example is two guys passing each other on the sidewalk. One person moves to the edge of the sidewalk while the other continues in the same path. Value is given. A social interaction never passes without a trading of value. Lesson 2: Value trading is not always through the words used When communicating, only 7% of the message received is through the words you say. Where is the other 93%? 38% of the message received is through the way you say the words and 55% of the message received is through the body language you use. So, you can neg a girl, but what you say is not even half of the battle. You have to be conscious of your tone and your body language. These are usually covered through cocky/ funny- which I will write a lesson on at some later time. While exchanging value, your tone can either contradict or complete the words you are saying. If you are saying “Get away, you annoying brat” to a girl in a condemning manner, then she will pay attention to that tone and actually leave. If you say that light-heartedly, she will giggle and maybe try to neg you back to regain some of her lost value. Your body language is a huge factor. Let us go with the “Get away, you annoying brat” again. If you say this in a cocky/ funny manner, but don’t smile or face her, there is another chance that she will take your advice and leave. But if you say this while facing her smiling and in a lighthearted manner, she will react positively. Always watch your tone and your body language. They count for more than the words you say. Lesson 3: Raising your value One of the most key factors while sarging is to emit a higher value than the rest of the room, especially the girl. When you display having a higher value than a girl, she will latch on to you in the unconscious urge to be near someone interesting and powerful (which is displayed through your value-factor). There are a few ways to make sure your value is higher than the girl’s and the competition’s. The two most common ways are through Demonstrating Higher Value and Demonstrating Lower Value. Demonstrating Higher Value is exactly what it says. It is raising your value through stories, comments, and demeanor. Remembering the 7%/38%/55%, you must be conscious of all components and actively use them to your advantage in the goal of making yourself more important. This means you have to ooze confidence and be very suave. With the basis of having good confidence, this will keep your posture straight, your voice tone set, and your value high. Now, you cannot ruin this confidence by speaking like an idiot. You need to have easily understandable language, don’t speak fast or nervous, have the correct tone and pitch, etc. Once you have achieved this confidence level, know how to speak like Casanova… or at least as close as you can come. If you need to regurgitate canned material, do it, but be careful with canned material… It will come back to haunt you. Know how to respond on the spot in the correct mannerism and you will be golden. Moving on to stories and comments of DHV. You cannot DHV by simply saying “I am awesome because I have a model friend,” as great as that would be. You have to subtly drop your DHVs into stories and comments. “You look like my model friend, except your hair is a bit frizzier.” Or “Hey, I have to get out of here, I have to get to my big, business meeting, but I just wanted to comment on your smile.” Through using the words “model” and “business meeting” you are implying that you are interesting because society assumes that only important people hang out with models or go to business meetings. This will raise your value by association. There are endless DHVs to be made. The next way to make your value higher is through Demonstrating Lower Value. This means that you lower the person’s value around you through comments and demeanor. Like I stated before, you need to have a higher value than the girl and the competition, so lower theirs and you will be fine. This can be done through negging, ignoring, and your body language towards them. Negging is another lecture I will post at a later date. Ignoring is exactly what it sounds like- just pretending they weren’t important enough for you to hear. Body language is very effectual. By looking at a girl like she is an idiot for saying that, you are lowering her value. By turning your back to your target and talking to the group, you are lowering her value. Like DHVing, there is an infinite way of DLVing. Work your own magic. DLVing will become extremely important because this will also help defuse AMOGs and other competition. Now, some examples- “Omigosh, I think, like, 10 girls in this bar are wearing the same thing!” This is a variation of a DLV from Neil Strauss’s The Game. This DLVs because it displays unoriginality of the girl. Or “I wasn’t talking to you.” Basic neg that works like a charm always. It is what I call an evergreen neg because no matter how many guys in the community use it, it cannot get old. Lesson 4: Surviving attacks on your own value Ok, just so you know, you aren’t the only ones who know how to game. Also, you never know if you might open a set with me in it one day… watch out for that… I will eat you alive… So, your value is always going to be under attack by the girls and the guys. The girls will knock at your value to see if you are really how you act and the guys will knock at it just to make you lower than them. Therefore, you must learn to deflect attack and sometimes, depending on the situation, counter-attack. Whenever you open a set, make sure to DHV right away just in case they DLV you right away… The DHV you used will act as a temporary buffer that will allow you to recover the lost ground. So, when this inevitable attack comes, be ready to make a remark back to deflect the attack. HB-“That is a weird shirt you are wearing.” You- “Thank goodness the rest of the world doesn’t have your taste, we would be in big trouble…” Or HB-“That is a weird shirt you are wearing.” You-“I never asked your opinion of it.” And if it is a guy, be ready to counter-attack to lower his value. D-bag- “How was the gay bar?” You- “Good. I saw your dad there… tell him I say hi and to call me later.” Or D-bag- “What’s with your shirt, dude?” You- “Nothing. I am wearing this for girls to comment on, not for guys.” Also, be ready for AMOGs to DLV you simply by standing near you. They will try to control the frame by appearing big and angry. Don’t be frightened by them and don’t move your ground. It is essential that you keep your posture and confidence and don’t move away. Maybe throw a neg at him like- “You look like you are having a good time. Get out much?” or “You remind me of those guards outside of the Queen’s palace in England. They don’t move much either.” Just be ready to dodge and counter attack at all times. Alright, I have to run now. I would type more, but meh, this was only an overview… If you have further questions, let me know. I will get those other lessons out to you when I get another free chance. -Apollo |
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| Author: | vash [ Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:03 am ] |
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fing-a badass post |
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| Author: | deadman [ Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:29 am ] |
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yeah....this is good shit. well done, lookin 4ward to more DM |
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| Author: | EvoJ [ Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:13 pm ] |
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Wonderful, thank you. EvoJ |
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| Author: | Domination [ Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:31 pm ] |
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Really good. This is so true. It's incredible that there's so many people out there that don't have a clue about all of these things. Thx for a great post. |
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| Author: | Jack [ Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:38 pm ] |
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I heard a quote once in my philosphy class two years ago about life being nothing more then a power struggle or something along that lines written by Nietzsche. It really messed with my mind as I did not fully understand it and religion at the time was making me want to dismiss it. Yet after learning the art of conversation and the teachings of mPUAs I realized indeed that with every encounter in life there is a power struggle between the people involved knowingly or not! Once you recognize it, you can gain control of it and have a sense of power over people who you have demonstrated lower value to and simply work your way up the ladder if you feel so inclined. Love the post apollo. |
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| Author: | Chikito [ Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:07 am ] |
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Man I wonder how many people have glanced at this thread and not realised how amazingly explanitory it is. This is going in my Must-reads. Spread the word on this thread, its going to help aloot of people. Ps. I cant wait to blow you out of my set Apollo 
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| Author: | Apollo [ Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:18 am ] |
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Bring it! Geez... Freakin' DLVing you will be my job, son! Haha... |
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| Author: | Thomas Crown [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:05 am ] |
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I agree, this post has helped me a lot, DHV and DLV were two things I was not getting before, but now it makes better sense |
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| Author: | jphammer [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:30 pm ] |
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Does anyone have a list of DHV statements? If so can you send it to me in a pm? |
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| Author: | Point [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:49 pm ] |
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Amazing and extraordinary helpful post. Thank you very much. And, jphammer, about the list of DHVs, they should be some interesting things about yourself, I believe. I can't write them down for you. Just say something that makes you look good in other peoples eyes. |
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| Author: | jphammer [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:59 pm ] |
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Quote: Amazing and extraordinary helpful post.
Well, how do you do that without coming off like a prick trying to brag about himself. Thank you very much. And, jphammer, about the list of DHVs, they should be some interesting things about yourself, I believe. I can't write them down for you. Just say something that makes you look good in other peoples eyes. Can you atleast tell me some DHV statements you use for yourself? |
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| Author: | Point [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:22 pm ] |
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Quote: Quote: Amazing and extraordinary helpful post.
Well, how do you do that without coming off like a prick trying to brag about himself. Thank you very much. And, jphammer, about the list of DHVs, they should be some interesting things about yourself, I believe. I can't write them down for you. Just say something that makes you look good in other peoples eyes. Can you atleast tell me some DHV statements you use for yourself? Some statements... ok, here it goes, I use it according to the situation.  We talk about some public person. HB: "Blah, blah, blah" Point: "Something about public speaking." HB: "Blah" Point: "I think everybody is a little bit afraid of public speaking. You see, I play the guitar, so I've played a lot in front of others, and I got used to do stuff in public." I play the guitar. I am not afraid. I have Higher Value.  Now I can start talking about some music, or go on about this... The point is that I say this by the way, I don't make it the topic so it sounds less like bragging. Hope it helps. 
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| Author: | LuckyMan [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:45 pm ] |
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beutiful post, i know most of it, but i do need to work on my counter attacks. and i have used the "i don't wear this shirt for the guys to look at it" but thanks dude, now i need to make some more counter attacks. |
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| Author: | Apollo [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:30 am ] |
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Point, be careful when you bring up guitar playing semi-randomly... It might come off as self-validation. You should never need to validate yourself to the group. That is where DHVing yourself and DLVing yourself tie together... There is a thin line between phrasing a comment or story to make it sound DHV or DLV. Just think to yourself before you say a DHV "If she said this story, would I want her more?" |
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