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Author:  Bormad [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Screw the HB rating system
I made a realisation about the HB rating system...it sucks. You are rating a girl based on their looks from 1-10 with 10 being the highest. Think about what you are doing when you are coming up with a rating. To come up with the rating you are looking at every single aspect of her that would warrant getting her that 9 or 10. Oh her eyes are perfectly shaped this is adding a 0.5 to her score. I think her legs are perfect too!

A better rating system is to ask yourself two questions:

Do I like the look of her?
If yes proceed to approach
If no look for someone else

Is she interesting?
If yes proceed to close
If no look for someone else

You are messing about with the 3 second rule if your analysing what rating a girl is as it is more like a 30 second rule. It also has the disadvantage of putting her on the pedestal just because she is 10 and some guys act different around her. I know some people just use it lightly but others base everything on this rating system!
Author:  Slywalker [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:01 pm ]
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Dude, this is old news, as far as the HB rating system is concerned I only think it is newbies that use it.

The correct rating system to use is a binary scale 0-1

in other words

0 = you would not fuck her, so screw it!

1 = you would fuck her, so go for it!

Any other rating system will just fuck with your head and bring your game down!

I hope you understand that I'm not giving your post negative critique, I am agreeing with you, I just spelled it out more simply.

Of course it can also be debated if the is like a 0.5 involved where 0.5 = I would fuck her if I was drunk enough :lol:
Author:  wonderbeard [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:02 pm ]
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in some ways, I agree. I do think it encourages putting the girl on the proverbial pedestal, but your method would take way to long to type out in a field report :D
Author:  Angelz [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:13 pm ]
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Still it has its uses - you wouldn't treat a hb6 the same way you treat a hb10. Its only when you really ahead in the game you start to see similarities and game them like equals.
Author:  Slywalker [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:04 pm ]
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Still it has its uses - you wouldn't treat a hb6 the same way you treat a hb10. Its only when you really ahead in the game you start to see similarities and game them like equals.
Although I believe I have reached the level that you call "really ahead in the game" I still think it is good for beginners to get this concept out of their head.

You could and you should treat hb6 the same as hb10 if they have the same attitude.
Their looks don't really matter in this sense, it is all about their attitude, this is a common misconception because hotter girls usually have bitchier attitudes than not so hot girls.
Remember, it is not her looks you are fighting, it is her attitude, so again, the 1-10 rating scale will only fuck with your head!

This if why some RAFCs will really hurt a girls feelings because she is a timid shy girl and they throw harsh negs at her only because she is very pretty, they just assume she has a hot girls attitude.
So what really matters is that you shouldn't treat girls differently because of their looks, you should treat them differently because of their personality.
And you can improve your skills to read her personality at an early stage!
Author:  Bormad [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:25 pm ]
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Yea Sly I know it isn't new news but its just the path that im on the now and it is like a rapid learning curve for me and im learning this sort of stuff as im discovering it.
Author:  Johnny B. [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:36 pm ]
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Imagine two christmas presents right in front of you.
Now, in this first case both of those presents are identical from the outside. This means that the real present which is IN those wrappers cannot be seen because the "outer core" ( the present box ) is stopping you from seeing it. So basically, you cannot possible know which one of those boxes includes Ipod and which one X- men comics ( because you have two identical boxes right in front of you ). You have to make a guess between the presents if you want the IPod. This guess can be related to your intuition/ assumption which than again is something that you are creating inside your head.
So basically the value you are giving to your choice/ intuition is irrational because you possibly cannot know which box beholds what ( due to those identical boxes ). Due to the fact that your choice/ intuition is based on a feeling and a lucky guess concerning the expectated outcome ( you getting that Ipod ) than the value of these images ( your assumptions ) shouldnt have the value you are giving to them. This value is just something that your mind made up and than built it so strong that you were almost absolutely sure that this is the box where the present of my life is.
This value can be reflected in your HB rating system ( she is 10, 11, 5, 3 etc. ) but like i was trying to boil it down, its based on something that actually is fooling you. The outer core doesent determine what you actually receive ( her looks doesent mean that she is nasty or vice versa humble ) so basically you are building " fools man value " to something that doesent exist in reality.
This same thing applies when the presents are wrapped in different boxes. Unless you can see through these boxes, your HB rating system may be the factor that is making your game harder because you are building this " fools man value " to a girl which in the end may have so much impact ( due to those building images in your head ) that it stops you from approaching her.

[ Johnny B ]
Author:  Jezebel [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:55 pm ]
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I can't help it but wonder ... guys who use the 1-10 system... do you guys fuck/date/love numbers or actual people?
If you have a thing for numbers, you can just open some book on maths, or check ur bank account, or your watch .. something with numbers you know =)

Cheers
Jez

P.s. yi+1 = yi + (xn/2)(a - yi2)
A = yi * 2exp
Author:  Johnny B. [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:01 pm ]
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A = yi * 2exp
She looks hot!

[ Johnny B ]
Author:  Jezebel [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:04 pm ]
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Johnny B... you are turned on ...i know it ! =)
Author:  Ezo [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:43 pm ]
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do you guys fuck/date/love numbers or actual people?
I think that you are more correct than you would like to be.

For many people here it is all about numbers. It is a way to get validation.

fullclosing-every-single-girl-you-meet- ... =stop+girl

I posted this thread waaay back but I guess it could still be interesting. It is about the fact that you do not HAVE to take EVERY single chance you have for sex. It is ok to say no... It is not a competition, it is about you feeling good.

Ezo
Author:  Marc [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:13 am ]
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I like numbers :lol:

A HB10: Radiating Personality, The kind of girl that every guy wants to talk to. Beautiful hair, great smell, soft skin, good manicure, perfect cleavage, every part looks real and in perfect shape :lol:

A HB9: A little bratty. Big Boobs, beautiful hair, smells great and an ass you'd like to spank 8)

A HB8: All of the HB10 qualities plus intelligent, oh and she likes Pets - This one is the Best of All :wink:

A HB7 : Cutie ass, big boobs, good hair, the ass could be just a little less bigger so that its not in your face on a 69 :P

A HB6 : Fuckable but needs a little validation.

A HB5 : I'm not even going there....hhhmmm... Ok she has more than desirable boobs and ass. She is flashing her tits in your face and wants attention.

A B4 to B1 : Depends on how drunk and horney you are !!!!

There you go a perfect rating system, what is wrong with that. It just helps guys talk in numbers over beer and not have the trouble of explaining how the girl looks. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  asdf000 [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:47 am ]
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probably the biggest thing i see wrong with the hb system is that it isnt "standardized". there should be like a chart with descriptions&pictures of what hb 1-10s look like.if that was in place then it would be easier to know what course of action to take. standardization aside, i think the hb system is an accurate gauge of a girls social caliber,as girls who are higher on the scale would be higher valued/approached more and therefore more defenses.
Author:  Bormad [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:09 am ]
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probably the biggest thing i see wrong with the hb system is that it isnt "standardized". there should be like a chart with descriptions&pictures of what hb 1-10s look like.if that was in place then it would be easier to know what course of action to take. standardization aside, i think the hb system is an accurate gauge of a girls social caliber,as girls who are higher on the scale would be higher valued/approached more and therefore more defenses.
The point is that you dont treat a HB5 any different from a HB10. I know that you think there will be more defence but it isn't always the case. If you approach with the idea that there will be defences then there almost certainly will be and you will join all the other chodes out there.

If you approach that this is TOTALLY NORMAL and she is already your FRIEND then you will get a much better reaction. It is about how you project your confidence and expectations of the interactions as it filters done to your sub communication.
Author:  asdf000 [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:54 pm ]
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probably the biggest thing i see wrong with the hb system is that it isnt "standardized". there should be like a chart with descriptions&pictures of what hb 1-10s look like.if that was in place then it would be easier to know what course of action to take. standardization aside, i think the hb system is an accurate gauge of a girls social caliber,as girls who are higher on the scale would be higher valued/approached more and therefore more defenses.
The point is that you dont treat a HB5 any different from a HB10. I know that you think there will be more defence but it isn't always the case. If you approach with the idea that there will be defences then there almost certainly will be and you will join all the other chodes out there.

If you approach that this is TOTALLY NORMAL and she is already your FRIEND then you will get a much better reaction. It is about how you project your confidence and expectations of the interactions as it filters done to your sub communication.
you know, you're right and i was wrong. which leads me to agree to the following quote:
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Still it has its uses - you wouldn't treat a hb6 the same way you treat a hb10. Its only when you really ahead in the game you start to see similarities and game them like equals.
Although I believe I have reached the level that you call "really ahead in the game" I still think it is good for beginners to get this concept out of their head.

You could and you should treat hb6 the same as hb10 if they have the same attitude.
Their looks don't really matter in this sense, it is all about their attitude, this is a common misconception because hotter girls usually have bitchier attitudes than not so hot girls.
Remember, it is not her looks you are fighting, it is her attitude, so again, the 1-10 rating scale will only fuck with your head!

This if why some RAFCs will really hurt a girls feelings because she is a timid shy girl and they throw harsh negs at her only because she is very pretty, they just assume she has a hot girls attitude.
So what really matters is that you shouldn't treat girls differently because of their looks, you should treat them differently because of their personality.
And you can improve your skills to read her personality at an early stage!
it shouldnt be a rating system based on looks, but her bitchiness level.instead of Hot Bitch levels remove the H in HB and just make it a Bitchiness rating system. the higher the bitchiness (or perceived bitchiness) the higher the level.
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