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Author:  JSmooth [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Put up or Shut up!
Guys,

I want to get serious with you all about something that has been weighing heavily on my mind for the past few weeks. When I'm answering posts on the forum and looking around I see A LOT of people who post routines, openers, and other things. That's always cool because I'm all about new ideas, but then at the bottom of this new material they ask people to test it out for them. What the hell?!?

Put up or Shut up as we use to say way back when in school. Go out and do the work yourself! If you have a new routine or opener get out there and test it to see if you can make it work. Keep track of your results with it. Then when you have actually applied it multiple times in field (more than 10) and you know it works then share.

I like to write so I can come up with a lot of different stuff, but it doesn't mean it is going to work. The proof is entirely in the results. Many things I've come up with didn't work worth a damn in the field but looked great on papaer. If you have something that you think would work, don't be afraid to put your balls on the line and try it out! Then if its working for you and you want to share it then great!

Otherwise we start having a forum full of untest or unproven information that someone maybe not as good as you is going to read and get killed with. The ideas of openers and routines is that they are proven techniques. I know stuff like "Who Lies More..." is old as dirt but it still works, and it works for lots of people. We know because Style and Mystery tested it...got great results, then passed it on to us! Routines and Openers like this are used to help people go out in the field and gain the confidence they need to move forward. Then later they can develop their own material.

Are you really that afraid of rejection that you won't go try it out for yourself? If that's the case then what the hell are you doing here. We are here to try something new in our lives cause whatever we did in the past wasn't working. Part of this is the ability to embrace rejection and learn from it.

So...Put Up or Shut Up!

~Jon
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:36 pm ]
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yeah i don't know why they ask other people to try them out... why the hell are you afraid testing them yourselfs.
50 - 60 % of the posts are about openers that aren't even been tested yet, guys come up with a abortion opener and all that kind of shit.

they just fear rejection... JUST realize people can also reject you while you are using completely good and plausible openers - people won't kill you ! what do you got to lose ? nothing !
try or die.
Author:  ShadowSketched [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:42 pm ]
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I read somewhere that when first approaching someone, if you get rejected, they're only rejecting your approach, not you as a person.

Really, how does someone know you from say a 30-second interaction?

In addition, you can see rejection is as a "learning experience". Changing the connotation of words helps.
Author:  JSmooth [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:50 pm ]
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Great points guy glad you feel me on this one. It is just something that gets under my skin. People come here to change their lives and get better with women but they don't have the BALLS to put in the work! If you don't want to change then why the hell are you here?
Author:  madals [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:06 pm ]
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*devils advocate* asking people to test surely will only increase the sample size to get a more reliable result though....
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:54 am ]
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Jsmooth is absolutely right!

It is damn easy to come up with cool stuff to say when you cover behind your bed (alone). Its almost as easy to test it in field. One night and you will have 10+ tests. The only things you need are a clean shirt, a bus-ticket and balls.

My sincere apologies to people if I have posted stuff that has not been field tested. However I know that I seldom contribute with routines anymore (last time it was the Evil fluffy bunny routine and that was ages ago) and that one was fieldtested, I use it all the time.

We have here a collection of the finest PUAs who are ready to help people. In reality how it works is, we help you help yourselves. But you have to freakin want to make an effort.

We are here to share our experience with you. We are always happy to help with any problems, troubleshooting, ideas and criticism. We are your source of experience.
What we are NOT: The people taking the hits for your bad ideas. We do not go out in field to help you figure out if your little new trick works just to save you the discomfort of doing it yourselves.

Grow balls!
Author:  trixsta [ Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:21 am ]
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Are you really that afraid of rejection that you won't go try it out for yourself? If that's the case then what the hell are you doing here.
Agree with everything you're saying but surely people who don't cold approach because of AA can post here? Last year I did barely any cold approaches as I don't like pulling in clubs, also I meet new girls most daysof my life.

WHat if people want to be the best they can and still have AA? Who decides what is right and wrong? I learned many theories of attraction that have proven useful here when I barely did any cold approaches (now it's new year I am forcing myself to) so, unless I haven't taken you out of context, you would be asking what the hell I was doing here last year?

The reason I say is not because I want to be pernickity but because I am completely happy as I am, and whilst getting better at cold approaching will obviously help me with women, last year I didn't feel compelled to at all, I was completely happy where I was at yet benefitting somewhat from the community.

Whether I keep cold approaching who knows? Try everything once.
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:47 am ]
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WHat if people want to be the best they can and still have AA? Who decides what is right and wrong?

Results decide. If you wanna be a PUA you need to find a way to deal with AA. You misunderstand Jsmooth, he is annoyed that people want others to field test their routines. He is also annoyed that people give "advice" on stuff they dont have any clue about. I you dont have the experience then dont tell people what to do. People listen to what you say and you may destroy their game by telling them crap.

You are still free to discuss things and ask for help... ;)
Author:  Medic [ Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:23 am ]
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I agree with you, J. The only way that an opener will work for you is if you try it out. Having others test anything out will do nothing for you. Just because an opener will work for me, does NOT mean that it will work for you.

Nothing that we do here should be kept in theory, it is all meant to be held in practice. There's only ONE way for any of this to work, get off your asses and go into the field. The field is not bars or lounges or clubs, it's LIFE. If you wanna open someone at the bodega or the library or the supermarket, DO IT!

Rejection is only something that we create in our own minds. Don't let a few negative interactions mess with your constant strive for success.

DO NOT BECOME OUTCOME DEPENDENT!!!!
Author:  Bormad [ Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:09 pm ]
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Yea it is all about trying yourself. In every number I get I always try to do something different with it to experiment and this time being I decided to call her a slut and that she should come over to my house and have group sex while getting wasted. I seen it on the jeffy show and i now have her talking to me but it didnt go as well as I hoped. I feel kind of awkward however Im happy as I tried it!
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