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| Author: | Warped Mindless [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Connect Better and Eliminate Creepy Behavior |
Guys, one thing that really bothers me about the community is the terms most guys uses to refer to women. "Target" "Set" "HB" This artificial language is fucking weird and extremely pointless. Such language frames the women as being an object. How can you deeply connect with an object? You cant! Because your mind views her as an object you wont be able to deeply connect with a female when interacting with her. The connection will be highly superficial. This is why cops refer to victims as "case numbers." It frames them more as an object than an actual human and therefore stops the cop from becoming emotionally attached. Also, if you have ever been called creepy, creep people out, our send out a creepy vibe in general it most likley has something to do with how you look at them. Because you use superficial terms such as "HB" you frame the girl as an object. Because shes framed as an object you look at her likes shes an object. THIS IS FUCKING CREEPY! Believe me guys, the girl picks up on this. Don't shoot yourself in the foot and destroy your chances at forming a real, deep, meaningful connection by using such stupid language. |
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| Author: | TheJ [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:04 pm ] |
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The language comes from the people that founded this comunity (Mystery namely for those you are reffering to). It's just part of the dictionary now. Whatever meaning you associate with these terms are your own connections, not the comunity imposting them on you. Jsut becasue I may refer to a girl as a target when writing a report dosn't mean I dehumanize her. If you do, then that's may be your problem. When I'm in front of a woman I find attractive, I'm looking at her as a woman, as a sensual and intellectual being, at that's what attracting her to me. If I told my wing "Ok I'm going for that 2 set" before or not doesn't change anything about my views on her. Stop being a victim and make your own connections. |
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| Author: | Fin [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:26 pm ] |
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While I agree with the terminology being a bit geekish and eccentric. It's terminology and has very little causal effect on attitudes in comparison to other influences. There is no reason to whinge about terminology it's just terminology. |
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| Author: | chillinvillin [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Connect Better and Eliminate Creepy Behavior |
Quote: Guys, one thing that really bothers me about the community is the terms most guys uses to refer to women.
Ok listen. I understand where you are coming from but referring them as to sets and HB is completely acceptable. Target is pushing it. Referring to a girl as a HB is complimenting her and should be encouraging you to treat her well because HB is not always based on how good looking she is, when I say a girl is a HB8 I incorporate her looks as well as her personality. Unless she is literally just a hot girl. Referring to girls as sets is fine also. It could come up in casual conversation before these were added to the PUA dictionary. I.E. "I was talking to a couple of different sets of women." Sets is just abbreviating it. Referring to girls as HB10's and sets actually was an improvement for me rather then thinking "hoe" in my mind or thinking, "that slut is hot". Now that is fucked up which I actually hate."Target" "Set" "HB" This artificial language is fucking weird and extremely pointless. Such language frames the women as being an object. How can you deeply connect with an object? You cant! Because your mind views her as an object you wont be able to deeply connect with a female when interacting with her. The connection will be highly superficial. This is why cops refer to victims as "case numbers." It frames them more as an object than an actual human and therefore stops the cop from becoming emotionally attached. Also, if you have ever been called creepy, creep people out, our send out a creepy vibe in general it most likley has something to do with how you look at them. Because you use superficial terms such as "HB" you frame the girl as an object. Because shes framed as an object you look at her likes shes an object. THIS IS FUCKING CREEPY! Believe me guys, the girl picks up on this. Don't shoot yourself in the foot and destroy your chances at forming a real, deep, meaningful connection by using such stupid language. You are right though, if you feel you have gotten to the point where you are starting to use HB and set referrals as I did when I called them sluts, then there is a problem. Maybe you could think of some better words to use and post a new topic for them if these aren't doing it for you. I'm sure a bunch of other guys could benefit from it as well. As for me I can connect emotionally because I think in my mind wow she is hot which includes her looks and personality sometimes her personality could be hotter than her looks. |
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| Author: | pieceofshit [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:59 pm ] |
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It has much less to do with how women are viewed and more or less creates formalities and shortens the amount of time to explain things. This forum is about systems, and in any case where you are talking about systems there is nomenclature and short hand. If we were talking about PCs it would be MOBOs and MB and PSUs. |
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| Author: | Mindwarp [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:16 am ] |
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I think its OK to objectify a woman before you start talking to her because you are already doing that anyways. You don't look across a room and "feel a connection" you look across the room and want to fuck someone, even if they really do look interesting. Plus thinking of them as a Target helps you think logically and makes the entire thing seem more like an operation or plan of attack rather than "OMG I'm going to go talk to this super hot girl and she might reject me" its "I'm approaching the Target, an HB8, I'm gonna open the set with X and address the HB6 first". I think doing this helps decrease AA because men are logical creatures, so we get all freaked out when we start feeling the heavy emotions of AA. However, I believe men will treat women like objects if its in their mind to do so regardless of the language they use. I want connection, and don't want to sleep with anyone I have no connection to. I find a lack of connection to be a turn off. The only exception is in the rare case where the connection is the understanding of sexual tension/desire between me and the girl, and we both know its never going to go beyond that but it doesn't even matter, its still a human connection. |
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| Author: | magnum45 [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Connect Better and Eliminate Creepy Behavior |
Warpped, Sometimes I get girls telling me I am creepy. I think it is because they don't want to be in a relationship with me. If they do, then anything I do is cute. If they want to be my friend, I have to be super careful to act in a way that they don't understand. |
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| Author: | taylormade [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:13 am ] |
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listen, these days of using this ridiculous termonalogy must stop. We need to focus more on what were doing and less on how were going to tell the story. These people that turn everything into a game are taking the humanality out of everything and re-framing it into something else so that they can deal with the situation. listen, you're not AMOGing you're being a man and that's all! |
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