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Author:  JSmooth [ Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Fallacy of the Perfect Pickup/PUA
There is a common idea that has been going around the forums since I guess PUA has been around. The idea of the perfect pickup or being a perfect PUA for that matter seems to be something that has been spreading for some time.

First and foremost, there is no such thing as the perfect pickup. This is not just my opinion but is shared by many of the mpua's and guru's if you will within the community. In virtually every single pickup there are things we could have done better, said something different, or changed. Everyone is inclined to stumble once in a while.

Likewise, there is no perfect opener, or response to a given shit test by a girl. This is something that we have to wrap our heads around. We have to remember that although working towards perfection is noble we have to be able to accept failure and learn from it. There is no PUA that closes 100% of the time every time. If you meet such a person claiming this then please get as far away from them as humanly possible! :D

A great many posts on this forum are dedicated to how could I have done something better or differently? This is a good idea to learn to improve but again you have to remember that no one is perfect, not me, not Sinn, Mystery, AFC Adam, or any other particular person you like. In the words of Sinn, "There will always be some clunkiness."

Keep in mind that learning as the result of a failure at something is one of life's best teachers. We can surely study material to avoid some common mistakes but there are some no doubt we'll have to make on our own.

Here is the best part. Since no pickup is perfect women really aren't expecting or demanding perfection from us either. Sure we don't want to goof up too badly and not get the girl but it is truly amazing at what a girl will put up with if she likes you. I have put this to the test many times in life and in the field.

The last point I want to create here is that everyone is different, and we've established no one is perfect in life or PUA. Thus, when others are giving you advice remember to take it with a grain of salt.

I'd like to think I am pretty good with online game and have helped many others with it. Still, nothing I say is fool proof or going to work every time. Make sure to find what works for you and your own personality. Case in point women are different too; the same lines that work on one woman may not work on another.

Keep in mind that the perfect pickup is a fallacy and something not really an obtainable goal. Continue learning and practicing and your results with women will definitely improve but don't demand perfection from yourself.

I'll close with one final quote from Sinn whose thoughts inspired me to post this, "The point of going out, the point of picking up women is that it’s FUN! It's not like fucking dismantling an atomic bomb!"

~Jon
Author:  Tom_"Maybe" [ Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:42 pm ]
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Nice post.

It also should be said that you shouldn't strive to be "the best". All you're doing by being the best is separating yourself from other people... which is the exact opposite of what being a pick-up artist is all about. Instead you should try and meet your potential as a pick-up artist, and as a human being in general.

Don't feed your ego with more labels and thoughts of grandeur. Be unique.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:48 pm ]
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Yeah I wholeheartedly agree on this.

When I first started doing MM I really thought that I had to have every single aspect from A1 to S3 100% perfectly, otherwise I would definitely fail. Then I realised 2 things. The first was that there are millions of guys getting laid who don't even know ANYTHING about PU. So it CAN'T be true that you have to do everything 100% perfectly.

Secondly, and probably more importantly, my first 2 f-closes after learning PU were more DESPITE what I did then because of it. Those first two, I didn't really do a lot of the "steps" or the "techniques." I didn't use a false time constraint, I didn't do a whole lot of negging, and I didn't kino escalate within the first 10-20 minutes, I didn't really make them qualify themselves to me either. However, I got them because the girls were obviously attracted to me, and once you have attraction they'll give you leeway and allow you to make a few "mistakes" as long as you're mostly confident and fun to be around.

Getting that success showed me that it's not necessarily about the model, or getting the model down perfectly, it's mostly about getting yourself out there in field and having fun. A guy who just learned what an opener and a neg are, and is super excited to go out tonight and try some out, is gonna have far more success than the guy that knows Sinn, Adam and Mystery's models like the back of his hand, but is staying at home posting on here instead of hitting the bars and clubs.
Author:  JSmooth [ Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:58 pm ]
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Getting that success showed me that it's not necessarily about the model, or getting the model down perfectly, it's mostly about getting yourself out there in field and having fun. A guy who just learned what an opener and a neg are, and is super excited to go out tonight and try some out, is gonna have far more success than the guy that knows Sinn, Adam and Mystery's models like the back of his hand, but is staying at home posting on here instead of hitting the bars and clubs.
That's true there is a lot to be said for just being excited and having fun out there. If you are having fun and the girl is having fun then you can pretty much screw everything up and get the girl. I know I have goofed up a lot and still had success like you have.

I use to think I had to have just the right responses, and know the model A1-S3 inside and out to get women too. I took it too seriously luckily I still had some success but you have to get off your ass, go out in the field, approach, stay out of your head, and have fun ultimately.

Thanks for the input so far guys!

Jon
Author:  madals [ Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:30 pm ]
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True perfection wouldn't be accepted.
If you were 100% perfect, everyone would look to find something wrong with you. Once you start getting past a certain level of good, people start looking for what is wrong.
Author:  JSmooth [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:23 pm ]
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True perfection wouldn't be accepted.
If you were 100% perfect, everyone would look to find something wrong with you. Once you start getting past a certain level of good, people start looking for what is wrong.
Very true statement. You make an excellent point here.
Author:  attractor [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:50 pm ]
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After gaming for three years straight, I realized I don't give a shit about game. I'm in it for the sex, the girls and the possibility of finding my perfect mate. That's what it's always been. Alot of guys are transforming this community into their fucking life. And, while at that, they are actually COMPLICATING things further instead of simplifying. I've read some eBooks that instead of pumping the apprentice to go and fuck a thousand girls, are actually scaring them SHITLESS due to all the fluff they have to memorize. It makes me sick.
Author:  Jav [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:52 pm ]
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A Must-read for everyone that's starting out with this.
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