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| Author: | Reactionz [ Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | the dynamics of Value |
Recently i encounted a problem in my communication learning. I approach a set of two 8's (self value). Bam number close. I approach a 9 and an 8 ... bam number close. I take a erotic dancer home... But when i talk to women with lower value then 7.. I just overwhelm them completely... One girl in conversation stopped me the other nigt a says "When we get home am nervous cause am not sure your going to like my body." And she was an amzing person, i was with her because of who she was, not her body. But this was an issue to her.. And then it hit me.. Value! Value: A constant between people as too which it may be measured whom is the prize. I am the prize but when i talk to women who have a lower self value they feel asif the prize is not something they get. Most guys would think 'so what?.' Well i like women, and am not really turned on by looks at all.... different i know but cherly cole and beyonce do nothing for me. So tonight and tomorrow i am speaking to ugly chicks.. seroiusly.. i need to learn to lower the value down, keep the balence and make them feel asif i am at the top of the tble but in reach... As always thoughts on this would be great..: reactions |
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| Author: | Sharplin [ Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:53 pm ] |
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This is a pretty interesting perspective on value, and new ideas are always welcome. I try to keep a very open mind. Quote: But when i talk to women with lower value then 7..
There could be a few reasons for this, other than the value part. Game varies depending on the attractiveness of the girls you are interacting with. If you game, say, an HB9, she will behave differently than an HB7. An HB9 knows that she is hot stuff, and acts that way. She plays with guys more because she knows they all gawk at her and she could have anyone she wants; she has social proof and thus does not have to demonstrate higher value as a PUA does. Her value is in her looks. A PUA has to be the guy that doesn't see the value in her attractiveness and sees the lack of value in her personality. Point that out to her, and shes yours. This is why a PUA has to neg the HB8's and HB9's more than those who are less attractive. I just overwhelm them completely... An HB6-7 will react completely different to this. If you neg a girl with already low self esteem and hardly any established value or social proof, she will just become reclusive and self-conscious, which doesn't do you any favors. The point of negging is to 'lower the bitch shield' to get the girl to see your value and how you are different. If there is no bitch shield there, then over-negging requires less negging to begin with because the neg-threshold is so low. Quote: Value: A constant between people as too which it may be measured whom is the prize.
A very interesting definition of value. I would question the 'constant' part, as value varies greatly depending on confidence level, social proof, and other similar aspects to a person's attractiveness and personality. The prize is the person of higher value; so I loosely agree with the second part of this.Quote:
So tonight and tomorrow i am speaking to ugly chicks.. seroiusly.. i need to learn to lower the value down, keep the balence and make them feel asif i am at the top of the tble but in reach...
Don't lower your value down. Ever. Lowering your value down in order to get an ugly girl is just going to seem phony. Keep your composure and allow yourself to show full value. The fact that someone with such high value as you is talking to this HB5-6 or lower is going to really impress her; she sees that not all people who are so socially accepted and valued are shallow, because you are interested in her. The problem is that they have such low confidence. Instead of lowering your value to meet hers, increase her value to meet yours. Compliment her (not extensively), tell her you like her hair or her purse or her clothes or something. Nothing too shallow but you need to let her know that she has value in your eyes, and isn't just an HB5. If you increase her perceived value of herself, then she will be more confident, and things can happen between you. Good luck. |
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| Author: | Brah [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:53 am ] |
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reactionz, what do you think you are doing right that gives you so much value? |
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| Author: | Reactionz [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | hard question |
I am answering this cause it a straight question and people who show repect, get it! Well my inner game is tight but i would honestly say i do alot that shows value... Why do you ask? its half 7 in the mourn and am struggling to think |
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| Author: | Visionxxxxxx [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:07 pm ] |
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Quote: Instead of lowering your value to meet hers, increase her value to meet yours.
+1 Sharplin
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| Author: | Mr. Amador [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:31 pm ] |
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I dont think that value is a constant. Value is variable. Thik of Kevin-fuking-Costner. He is a millionare movie star. He has a lot of value. On his wedding a massage therapist claims that he masturbated in front of her after the massage was performed. For that poor girl, that guys value was downgraded from "Super star" to "Creepy old fuck" in a few seconds. I think that assigning a number to a girl's "value" is a little bit mysoginistic. I had to say it.. sorry. I think that those "low value" girls get all weird around just like some guys get nervous around hot chicks. Its the same effect. The way to get a girl with low selfsteem, is not proving yourself worthy (DHV's), but complimenting. Compliments are the way to an ugly chick's hearth. |
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| Author: | Reactionz [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:04 pm ] |
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Guys am not complimenting.. thats not happening.. I am not defending myself ethier.. Too sharplin: Instead of taking what i say apart and saying the obvoius assume i have read the mystery method and know the very basic bait hook reel release like th back on my hand.. Some dynamics can't be explained away by these simple ideas.. Like my inner game and how i perceive myself which all comes across sub conciously... |
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| Author: | Mr. Amador [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:08 am ] |
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Quote: Guys am not complimenting..
So, when a girl freaks out because she thinks that you are out of her league, compliment her.It will work (Assuming that you know how to compliment a lady, or a skank) |
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| Author: | Reactionz [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | no |
NO! |
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| Author: | Fin [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no |
Quote: NO!
Why not?Compliments work fine. |
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| Author: | Visionxxxxxx [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:32 pm ] |
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One way that i use compliments...I compliment her during a harsh shit test. (especially with the cocky/confident ladies). she says something mean/harsh and is being a bit of a b*tch, i lean forward and gaze into her eyes like lovers do (from left to right to left to...) and say 'you have amazing eyes....' she is absolutely lost for words, you can see she melts inside for a second or two and softens up. She loses her train of thought because youve broken her pattern, and it was a complete surprise for her. I have found it to be very seductive. Its almost like your stereotypical Italian passion where the 2 partners are in the middle of a fight and the guy grabs the girl and proceeds to f*ck her brains out with absolute passion, she doesnt complain, the tension is unleashed. |
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| Author: | Brendan_84 [ Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:20 am ] |
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what is your motivation to talk to "ugly chicks"? By callin them ugly, you already think less of them. So you're just going to brush them off. And you've already stated you would never offer any balance through compliments. You are going to get blocks like "i'm nervous" or "what do you see in me?" from girls who have low self-esteem. That's not an indicator of your value to her. That may be due to her past and her issues! You have no idea what she has been through prior to you coming along. Lower the barrier and respect her issues. Let her KNOW you respect her by being sincere, yes that means compliments You contradicted yourself by saying you was not with her because of her body, yet you have used ratings and called girls "ugly chicks". You should gladly jump through these "hoops" purely out of your respect for women. Drop the rating system. It seperates your reaction to women too much. Having said all that- I do believe you are sincere in not coming across as too bigheaded and "big for your boots", and you are concerned about that. You don't want girls to feel insecure just by your presence. I think that is a good point to make and sometimes hard to overlook. G'luck with it man |
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| Author: | Mr. Amador [ Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:29 am ] |
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Quote: By callin them ugly, you already think less of them.
What can I say I'm a douchebag...
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| Author: | Brendan_84 [ Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:48 am ] |
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Mr. Amador... We all call girls ugly at times. In the same way a girl calls us ugly. In this context i mean it in terms of respecting value. Not seperating women because of beautiful vs ugly. Don't beat yourself up |
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| Author: | profilactic [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:19 am ] |
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IMHO: It is simply not congruent that a high value man sincerely wants a much lower value girl,.That makes the girl doubt about your intentions. That's why you have to compliment her to raise her value a little bit: to shorten the gap from a huge one to a surmountable one. |
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