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| Author: | manman [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | The 'community' is teaching BULLSHIT. Everyone Read |
Yup I said it.. and I wil NOT back down. Here are some things they teach.. *You need to approach ALOT of women to be good with women *You need to talk 90% of the time (or..be the dancing monkey qualifying the SHIT out of himself) 90/10 rule *You must demonstrate higher value. *You need social proof *You can never get rid of "approach anxiety" (a fake community term) *AMOG, oh please like other guys are TRYING to make you look bad. *You need to 'disqualify' a girl that likes you...nice *Peakocking Absolute Bullshit. Approach anxiety comes all down to your mindframe. Change your inner beliefs so that you are the prize, you are desirable, and women are just cute, instead of "sexy, hott, hb10 whatever, and it is gone forever. it is all coming from the way you view things. You cant beat approach anxiety by approaching 500 women. It will come right back 3 days later. Thats because it is not right in your head. Inner game programs are the best for you. I have no approach anxiety, I only had it when I was listening to Mystery, strauss, and whoever else talks about it. What do I say?? Stories? how do I get from a1 to A3? How do I demonstrate higher value? What do I say after I INITIATE HER? (alot better than 'approach her') Well.... Stop talking and shut the fuck up and let HER talk.. When you most of the talking, all your doing is becoming the entertainer. Why are you trying to be the entertainer when she needs to be the one entertaining you? Are you the man or is she the man? By putting her up on that pedistol, when you do 90% of the talking, all your doing is qualifying the FUCK out of yourself to her. And thats not the way it works, thats not the way its supposed to work. A WOMAN DOES NOT WANT YOU QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER. They want to be able to qualify themselves to a man. It doesnt matter HOW strong minded/ business women she is. The less you say the better. You have to understand guys, the community is built upon..a bunch of guys that have no idea what the Fuck their talking about. They've never really experienced true connection, they dont understand how things really work. And its completely obvious, if they think they have to do 90% of the talking. Its completely obvious. Your going into the interaction saying basically "i dont have what it takes to please this woman, so I need to do everything that I can to show her that im a good guy. verbally, cause I cant do that just by standing there. , |
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| Author: | Brendan [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:29 am ] |
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At the beginning of an interaction, most women will not open up to you enough to do all of the talking. If you approach a women, say hi and introduce yourself, she's going to be thinking "Why should I bother talking to him?" This is where you must display your value to give her a reason to talk to you. This requires 90% of the talking. However once there is attraction, the conversation can be leveled out and she will be doing more of the talking. |
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| Author: | AlphadezeY [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 'community' is teaching BULLSHIT. Everyone Read |
Quote: Yup I said it.. and I wil NOT back down.
You've just waffled a load of nonsense. Starting with your first point. You can't just change your inner game that easy, it's not that easy. Competence breeds confidence. The whole point of approaching lots of women is purely psychological, and doesn't need to go anywhere. It's the idea that when put into a situation that you're uncomfortable or unconfident, if you're put into it over and over again, you'll become more confident in the situation. It's not a maybe, it's not a might, you WILL naturally become more confident in that situation because it's repeated. Trying to change your inner-game is not a sure fire thing, whereas taking action like approaching will automatically change it the more you do it anyway.Here are some things they teach.. *You need to approach ALOT of women to be good with women *You need to talk 90% of the time (or..be the dancing monkey qualifying the SHIT out of himself) 90/10 rule *You must demonstrate higher value. *You need social proof *You can never get rid of "approach anxiety" (a fake community term) *AMOG, oh please like other guys are TRYING to make you look bad. *You need to 'disqualify' a girl that likes you...nice *Peakocking Absolute Bullshit. Approach anxiety comes all down to your mindframe. Change your inner beliefs so that you are the prize, you are desirable, and women are just cute, instead of "sexy, hott, hb10 whatever, and it is gone forever. it is all coming from the way you view things. You cant beat approach anxiety by approaching 500 women. It will come right back 3 days later. Thats because it is not right in your head. Inner game programs are the best for you. I have no approach anxiety, I only had it when I was listening to Mystery, strauss, and whoever else talks about it. What do I say?? Stories? how do I get from a1 to A3? How do I demonstrate higher value? What do I say after I INITIATE HER? (alot better than 'approach her') Well.... Stop talking and shut the fuck up and let HER talk.. When you most of the talking, all your doing is becoming the entertainer. Why are you trying to be the entertainer when she needs to be the one entertaining you? Are you the man or is she the man? By putting her up on that pedistol, when you do 90% of the talking, all your doing is qualifying the FUCK out of yourself to her. And thats not the way it works, thats not the way its supposed to work. A WOMAN DOES NOT WANT YOU QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER. They want to be able to qualify themselves to a man. It doesnt matter HOW strong minded/ business women she is. The less you say the better. You have to understand guys, the community is built upon..a bunch of guys that have no idea what the Fuck their talking about. They've never really experienced true connection, they dont understand how things really work. And its completely obvious, if they think they have to do 90% of the talking. Its completely obvious. Your going into the interaction saying basically "i dont have what it takes to please this woman, so I need to do everything that I can to show her that im a good guy. verbally, cause I cant do that just by standing there. , You need to talk 90% of the time? No you don't. The community is always going on about OPEN questions. Adam Lyons said it perfectly that "what I do is put the weight of the conversation, of the interaction, onto her. If I ask her an open question then the social pressure is on her". No one asks you to be a 90% talking dancing monkey. The only time you need to do this, is for about a minute, assuming you're opening a set of multiple women. So you speak at them, entertain them, for 30 seconds, then isolate. Otherwise, no one asks you to be a monkey. The best interactions will be 50/50. Now, you must demonstrate higher value. Of course you must. I thought this was fairly obvious. Don't get it wrong though, DHV is easy and you don't have to sit there flashing Lamborghini keys to do it. DHV has always been powerful even before PUA. You need to think of it not as a community term, but as a thing outside the community. What is demonstration of higher value. It's just showing something that sets you apart from the crowd. So something you have or have achieved that you've earned and are proud of. A nice hobby, a good job, whatever. The idea is that if you're proud of yourself for something, it'll show, and the women will perceive you of higher value. It's hardly bullshit, impressing women with a good lifestyle has long been the case, even before the community. You need social proof. No. No one's ever said you need social proof. Social proof isn't necessary and no one is claiming it to be. However it does help a lot, and it's not really hard to get. It's one of those things where you can put in minimal effort and get maximum gain. You don't need to do much to get it, but it helps a crapload, one example being Entourage Game. You can never get rid of approach anxiety, a fake community term. Okay firstly, you can't have a "fake" term. Psychologically, approach anxiety is correct. It's one of the effects of social anxiety, which a lot of people suffer with, in some way or another. And in the end you can't get rid of it. You can't get rid of a lot of fears, but you can suppress them enough so that they don't affect you. Public speakers. They're always nervous in the back of their mind, even slightly, that something could go wrong, but they've done it enough to not worry about it. Which goes back to the competence breeds confidence point. You can't get rid of it, but you can suppress it. Anyone who says they're not worried the woman could just turn around and tell you to fuck off is a liar, because the woman could be having a bad day or whatever. The idea is you approach them enough to know that that outcome is unlikely, therefore you suppress the anxiety. But it's still there. AMOG, oh please like other guys are TRYING to make you look bad. Okay they don't necessarily go out of their way to do it. It's a subconcious thing. An Alpha Male is used to being dominant, instinctively. Therefore if anyone comes to challenge the Alpha Male, they need to assert themselves. There are two ways of doing this, naturally. Either killing them, or negating the threat of the enemy, but removing his challenging status. Obviously Alphas don't run around killing people, so instinctively they will assert themselves by removing your high status. They will try to lower it. It's not their fault, it's the way they naturally are. So again, your point is retarded. Peacocking. I don't get the problem with this? Peacocking is taken from, well, peacocks. They flaunt bright colours to attract women. It's a basic idea but it works. It's not necessary, so don't get confused. No one says you have to do it. But it can help a lot, as an opener, or general conversation. Okay I'm done now. Rant over. |
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| Author: | zhukaching [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:49 am ] |
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man you just deny all the useful tip for newbie to rely on. please give us something constructive in return. |
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| Author: | Teevster [ Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 'community' is teaching BULLSHIT. Everyone Read |
Quote: Yup I said it.. and I wil NOT back down.
Here are some things they teach.. *You need to approach ALOT of women to be good with women *You need to talk 90% of the time (or..be the dancing monkey qualifying the SHIT out of himself) 90/10 rule *You must demonstrate higher value. *You need social proof *You can never get rid of "approach anxiety" (a fake community term) *AMOG, oh please like other guys are TRYING to make you look bad. *You need to 'disqualify' a girl that likes you...nice *Peakocking Absolute Bullshit. Approach anxiety comes all down to your mindframe. Change your inner beliefs so that you are the prize, you are desirable, and women are just cute, instead of "sexy, hott, hb10 whatever, and it is gone forever. it is all coming from the way you view things. You cant beat approach anxiety by approaching 500 women. It will come right back 3 days later. Thats because it is not right in your head. Inner game programs are the best for you. I have no approach anxiety, I only had it when I was listening to Mystery, strauss, and whoever else talks about it. What do I say?? Stories? how do I get from a1 to A3? How do I demonstrate higher value? What do I say after I INITIATE HER? (alot better than 'approach her') Well.... Stop talking and shut the fuck up and let HER talk.. When you most of the talking, all your doing is becoming the entertainer. Why are you trying to be the entertainer when she needs to be the one entertaining you? Are you the man or is she the man? By putting her up on that pedistol, when you do 90% of the talking, all your doing is qualifying the FUCK out of yourself to her. And thats not the way it works, thats not the way its supposed to work. A WOMAN DOES NOT WANT YOU QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER. They want to be able to qualify themselves to a man. It doesnt matter HOW strong minded/ business women she is. The less you say the better. You have to understand guys, the community is built upon..a bunch of guys that have no idea what the Fuck their talking about. They've never really experienced true connection, they dont understand how things really work. And its completely obvious, if they think they have to do 90% of the talking. Its completely obvious. Your going into the interaction saying basically "i dont have what it takes to please this woman, so I need to do everything that I can to show her that im a good guy. verbally, cause I cant do that just by standing there. , AMEN BROH |
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| Author: | Chief [ Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:44 pm ] |
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PROTIP: Mystery does not equal "the community" |
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| Author: | Slyx [ Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:02 pm ] |
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What you need to learn is to not follow the community exactly, but build up your own game on top of the foundations of what is suggested here. It's all about getting in the right frame of mind so you are the Alpha male and everyone wants to be around you but they have to earn it and put the effort in. When you feel confident inside you will show confidence and that is what gets you girls. Do not overcomplicate the game with all these tricks, techniques and technical shit; just be confident, know how game works and be natural (ie yourself). |
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| Author: | Molson [ Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 'community' is teaching BULLSHIT. Everyone Read |
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You can never get rid of approach anxiety, a fake community term. Okay firstly, you can't have a "fake" term. Psychologically, approach anxiety is correct. It's one of the effects of social anxiety, which a lot of people suffer with, in some way or another. And in the end you can't get rid of it. You can't get rid of a lot of fears, but you can suppress them enough so that they don't affect you. Public speakers. They're always nervous in the back of their mind, even slightly, that something could go wrong, but they've done it enough to not worry about it. Which goes back to the competence breeds confidence point. You can't get rid of it, but you can suppress it. Anyone who says they're not worried the woman could just turn around and tell you to fuck off is a liar, because the woman could be having a bad day or whatever. The idea is you approach them enough to know that that outcome is unlikely, therefore you suppress the anxiety. But it's still there.
Amen. Either Willy Nelson or Phill Colins or one of those old timers who has performed a MILLION times still gets nervous before each show (I remember hearing this).
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| Author: | Abdul-aAfc [ Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:06 pm ] |
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To be honest i kinda get where this guy is coming from basically the community has been built to get your money because there's always some coaching programm that will change your life. However some of the stuff do work but you have to remember to build your inner game and confidence that way everything will just flow |
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| Author: | NaturalE [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:34 am ] |
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AlphadezeY is right and so is Chief, OP is wrong. |
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| Author: | Roobosh [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:15 pm ] |
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it is quite sad how commercialized the community has become, seriously how many secret super powerful seminars and videos can gambler be hiding? |
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| Author: | Vinci [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:22 am ] |
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Yeahh. I think all of what you just said is just about Mystery... First of all I believe that there are other "normal" guys that are alot better than Mystery. Mystery's a fuckin pyscho... Did you read "The Game" book. He's nuts. Here's my 2 cents on all of what you said. 1. Aproach anxiety... Practice makes perfect. 2. 90% of the talking... When you go up to a girl and say hi to her, I don't think you expect her to tell you everything about herself. 3. Demonstrate higher value... Girls don't bother to play if they know they already know that they guy has chosen her already. They want to work hard for something. 4. Social Proof... the previous refers to this. No girl wants a complete unsocial loser hangin out with her. 5. Can't get rid of Approach Anxiety... I kind of believe in that. Everyday is a new day, and you don't know what's coming. Of course your gonna get anxious from time to time. 6. disqualify... like i said, girls want to work hard for something. "You never appreciate something that was free more than something you worked hard for" 7. Peacocking... It does add attention, but its really not necessary. |
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| Author: | Slywalker [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:14 am ] |
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Im sorry but you are saying that the "community" teaches this?? Who is the "community" is that your name for mystery? Because as far as I know, mystery method is the only method that uses these tactics. The only thing of what you listed that the "community" teaches that I agree on is that you need to approach a lot, how else would you meet any women? |
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| Author: | driftwood [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:13 pm ] |
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Ok, I was trying to pickup last night and I can tell you for a fact that you DO NEED to do most of the talking at first. If only for a few minutes in the beginning, you need to do most of the talking. If you stall out like I did, even for a little bit, the girl will start becoming flightly and start shutting you out by talking with her friends. It happens every single time! I'm not saying you have to talk all the time but if you think you can just go up to a girl and get her to qualify her self to you straight off the opening you are just a keyboard jockey with no experience. Tell me about your real world experiences where you were getting the girl to do most of the talking! |
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| Author: | Stetson [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:24 pm ] |
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Quote: To be honest i kinda get where this guy is coming from basically the community has been built to get your money because there's always some coaching programm that will change your life.
This is a really good point.
However some of the stuff do work but you have to remember to build your inner game and confidence that way everything will just flow |
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