PUA Forum :: What so special about HB10's?

Haha. No, I don't talk to my guy friends with sex in mind, but I meant as the general attitude.

And to The Doctor:

How can you even compare playing tennis with Roger Federer to talking to a hb10? It doesn't matter if she is used at being treated nicely by other guys, you should not make a difference in treating a girl differently just because she is born with a more suitable body for your taste.

And probably, even though this can just be in Norway, but I have never had any problems talking with hot girls in the same way as every other girl.

- Exerio

And probably, even though this can just be in Norway, but I have never had any problems talking with hot girls in the same way as every other girl.

Wouldn't 10's most commonly have higher self esteem then that of 7's which means that the game would have to be played differently to accommodate. Sure, you remain the prize, but if she's been propped up so high on a pedestal by a thousand guys, what chance are you going to have for her to notice your amazing trophy if you don't know a leg out or two

Tens are different because they KNOW they are tens, they know they are attractive and the know that they can have just about any guy, they don't doubt it as much as a 7 or a 8 would, and because of this you have to prove that 1) your above other guys, which you obviously are, and 2) tens are just another girl for you.

Logically, 10s aren't different to a 7 or even a UB, but society dictates that they are, and therefore, for you to seem like you have social knowledge, is it not important to follow the social laws rather then the logical laws?

I think I agree with the poster, however I'm going to offer some devil's advocate stuff and say the following:

"An HB10 gets approached more times per day thus has more experience parrying PUA attacks."

And here's my counter argument to that:

"Many men are too afraid to approach HB10's so I doubt that the number of approaches is that much higher than an HB7. Actually, I think near perfect girls get more approaches than perfect girls."

Can someone get some verifiable data on this?:)

lol thats like saying whats different between playing tennis with your buddy, or Roger Federer... they both hit the ball back, both hit the same kind of shots... so whats the difference? Ones a whole hell of alot "higher value" as a tennis player :-p

in OC it's a little different because there are alot of physically attractive girls... but in alot of places in the midwest and south that I've seen if a girl if like a 9 then she is and has been her whole life probably, the hottest girl in town by far... that breeds a certain attitude :-p

Simple... she hits you with harder better placed shots. Each test means more, because its more loaded. An attractive girl will hit you with a little test here and there, if you pass them you get a couple cool points... but a complete knockout will nail you with tests like a double barrelled shotgun, and if you pass those you get major cool points.

If there are any winning poker players here I could explain this to them very easily lol... whats the difference between playing at a 3/6 table and a 150/300 table? :-p

and really the biggest difference is how "rough" you play... if you play it exactly the same with a 7 or a 10, the 7 is either going to be horribly intimidated by you and be convinced that you are way way way out of her league, or the 10 is going to think she is way way out of your league.

Calibration... Your the prize yes, but not an unattainable prize... your a challenge but one that she believes she can rise to. The difference is their own perception of themselves and the caliber of man she feels she deserves

I disagree with most of you, and Jurupa.

HB10's, if you choose to believe in a 'perfectly' physically attractive girl, have a generally completely different attitude to HB7's. Because whilst HB7's are used to getting hit on, HB10's are used to being the sole attention of the entire venue, street or town in which they are in. Thus, they're likely to act in two completely different ways in many situations.

For example many HB9.5's in my experience (with my ideology, I've never met a 10) tend to be less predictable - I might decide to throw in a neg or teasing comment which would hit 99% of the time on an HB7, but with the HB10, she could -

-Eat it up like a HB7
-Get enormously pissed because she'll think I'm just another guy trying to hit on her by teasing her or lowering her value
-Feel massively self-conscious because she's used to everyone in the entire world constantly perving over her, and now one of these people give a low-opinion of her and she feels threatened
-Not give give a shit because she knows she's the most valuable HB on the earth at that point in time
-etc.

Now, none of those options, save the first, an HB7 would do; and I used those options because they're all ones I've experienced a lot from HB9.5's.

The fact is simple. HB10's, as you call them, are in an entire different world than HB7's, so to use the same methodology, if you use a structured method that is, is simply daft.

It's like trying to play cricket with a golf club. It would be better to use a better tool made for cricket.

Perhaps treating a 10 like a 7 works - I'm not saying it doesn't work - what I am saying though, is that there are better methods, philosophies or styles, suited or adapted specifically for 10's. Just because you're using a different method for a 10, doesn't mean you're putting her on a pedestal. That's like saying just because you're using a cricket bat to play cricket, you're giving cricket more importance than golf.

In fact, if I were to take things a paradoxical step further, I might say that by trying to NOT treat 10's differently, you're actually putting them on a pedestal by giving them special SPAM, by TRYING to treat them normally. It could be said that treating them 'normally' would be simply to appreciate and acknowledge their status and beauty. Not trying to ignore it or downplay it; be a man about it.

....I might decide to throw in a neg or teasing comment ...but with the HB10, she could -

-Eat it up like a HB7
-Get enormously pissed because she'll think I'm just another guy trying to hit on her by teasing her or lowering her value
-Feel massively self-conscious because she's used to everyone in the entire world constantly perving over her, and now one of these people give a low-opinion of her and she feels threatened
-Not give give a shit because she knows she's the most valuable HB on the earth at that point in time
-etc.

Author:	jurupa [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:29 am ]
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Really what is so special about a HB10 that you have to game them differently than a HB7? Because to me at least this is really no different than the AFC propping up some hot girl on a pedestal and treating her differently just because she is physically attractive. I thought part of being a PUA is being the prize and not the girl. I get the fact that the girl is hot and you want to fuck her etc etc. But besides her looks, what makes her any different than the HB7 that "makes" you have to treat the HB10 differently? I mean really? What is so freaking special about an HB10 that she needs to be gamed differently? Ya I am sure you guys can come up with a million "reasons" why a HB10 needs to be gamed differently. But really even with all of those "reasons" why HB10 needs to be gamed differently, what makes the HB10 any different than the HB7? Because in the end a girl is a girl and they all pretty much the same as far as the mechanics goes. As kino will work on both, as well as C&F, and DHV, and social proof, etc etc. So really why can't you use game you use on a HB7 on a HB10? And don't say because an HB10 is different because she is not. So fucking what if the girl is hot, your the prize not her. Make her put you on a pedestal and not the other way around. Because that is what you are doing when you game HB10 differently than HB7. I'm just ranting, as I had to get it out of me. As I was seeing to many threads about how people said you need to game HB10's differently than HB7s and what have you. And I don't think you need to game HB10 differently than a HB7, and doing so I think is no different than an AFC propping up some hot girl on a pedestal and treating her different just because she is physically attractive. I put on my flame suit on as I think some people are very much disagree with me on this.

Author:	Exerio [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:16 pm ]
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Great thread! There really is no difference, just in your head. You don't even have to treat them different then your guy friends even, it's just your ego giving you a false tip:) - Exerio

Author:	JR* [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:44 pm ]
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Wouldn't 10's most commonly have higher self esteem then that of 7's which means that the game would have to be played differently to accommodate. Sure, you remain the prize, but if she's been propped up so high on a pedestal by a thousand guys, what chance are you going to have for her to notice your amazing trophy if you don't know a leg out or two And in response to Exerio, is it not important to imbue the game with sexual connotations, and I don't know about you - but I don't really talk to my guy friends with sex in mind. Tens are different because they KNOW they are tens, they know they are attractive and the know that they can have just about any guy, they don't doubt it as much as a 7 or a 8 would, and because of this you have to prove that 1) your above other guys, which you obviously are, and 2) tens are just another girl for you. Logically, 10s aren't different to a 7 or even a UB, but society dictates that they are, and therefore, for you to seem like you have social knowledge, is it not important to follow the social laws rather then the logical laws?

Author:	The Doctor [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:16 pm ]
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lol thats like saying whats different between playing tennis with your buddy, or Roger Federer... they both hit the ball back, both hit the same kind of shots... so whats the difference? Ones a whole hell of alot "higher value" as a tennis player :-p in OC it's a little different because there are alot of physically attractive girls... but in alot of places in the midwest and south that I've seen if a girl if like a 9 then she is and has been her whole life probably, the hottest girl in town by far... that breeds a certain attitude :-p

Author:	Exerio [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:28 pm ]
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Haha. No, I don't talk to my guy friends with sex in mind, but I meant as the general attitude. And to The Doctor: How can you even compare playing tennis with Roger Federer to talking to a hb10? It doesn't matter if she is used at being treated nicely by other guys, you should not make a difference in treating a girl differently just because she is born with a more suitable body for your taste. And probably, even though this can just be in Norway, but I have never had any problems talking with hot girls in the same way as every other girl. - Exerio

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Author:	Rockbar [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:56 pm ]
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I think I agree with the poster, however I'm going to offer some devil's advocate stuff and say the following: "An HB10 gets approached more times per day thus has more experience parrying PUA attacks." And here's my counter argument to that: "Many men are too afraid to approach HB10's so I doubt that the number of approaches is that much higher than an HB7. Actually, I think near perfect girls get more approaches than perfect girls." Can someone get some verifiable data on this?:)

Author:	The Doctor [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:35 pm ]
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Quote: Haha. No, I don't talk to my guy friends with sex in mind, but I meant as the general attitude. And to The Doctor: How can you even compare playing tennis with Roger Federer to talking to a hb10? It doesn't matter if she is used at being treated nicely by other guys, you should not make a difference in treating a girl differently just because she is born with a more suitable body for your taste. And probably, even though this can just be in Norway, but I have never had any problems talking with hot girls in the same way as every other girl. - Exerio Simple... she hits you with harder better placed shots. Each test means more, because its more loaded. An attractive girl will hit you with a little test here and there, if you pass them you get a couple cool points... but a complete knockout will nail you with tests like a double barrelled shotgun, and if you pass those you get major cool points. If there are any winning poker players here I could explain this to them very easily lol... whats the difference between playing at a 3/6 table and a 150/300 table? :-p and really the biggest difference is how "rough" you play... if you play it exactly the same with a 7 or a 10, the 7 is either going to be horribly intimidated by you and be convinced that you are way way way out of her league, or the 10 is going to think she is way way out of your league. Calibration... Your the prize yes, but not an unattainable prize... your a challenge but one that she believes she can rise to. The difference is their own perception of themselves and the caliber of man she feels she deserves

Author:	R.G. [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:37 pm ]
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I disagree with most of you, and Jurupa. HB10's, if you choose to believe in a 'perfectly' physically attractive girl, have a generally completely different attitude to HB7's. Because whilst HB7's are used to getting hit on, HB10's are used to being the sole attention of the entire venue, street or town in which they are in. Thus, they're likely to act in two completely different ways in many situations. For example many HB9.5's in my experience (with my ideology, I've never met a 10) tend to be less predictable - I might decide to throw in a neg or teasing comment which would hit 99% of the time on an HB7, but with the HB10, she could - -Eat it up like a HB7 -Get enormously pissed because she'll think I'm just another guy trying to hit on her by teasing her or lowering her value -Feel massively self-conscious because she's used to everyone in the entire world constantly perving over her, and now one of these people give a low-opinion of her and she feels threatened -Not give give a shit because she knows she's the most valuable HB on the earth at that point in time -etc. Now, none of those options, save the first, an HB7 would do; and I used those options because they're all ones I've experienced a lot from HB9.5's. The fact is simple. HB10's, as you call them, are in an entire different world than HB7's, so to use the same methodology, if you use a structured method that is, is simply daft. It's like trying to play cricket with a golf club. It would be better to use a better tool made for cricket. Perhaps treating a 10 like a 7 works - I'm not saying it doesn't work - what I am saying though, is that there are better methods, philosophies or styles, suited or adapted specifically for 10's. Just because you're using a different method for a 10, doesn't mean you're putting her on a pedestal. That's like saying just because you're using a cricket bat to play cricket, you're giving cricket more importance than golf. In fact, if I were to take things a paradoxical step further, I might say that by trying to NOT treat 10's differently, you're actually putting them on a pedestal by giving them special SPAM, by TRYING to treat them normally. It could be said that treating them 'normally' would be simply to appreciate and acknowledge their status and beauty. Not trying to ignore it or downplay it; be a man about it.

Author:	Joe Alpha [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:36 pm ]
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Quote: And probably, even though this can just be in Norway, but I have never had any problems talking with hot girls in the same way as every other girl. hot girls are pretty common in this country, so they're less special, and are not pedestaled because of their looks

Author:	jurupa [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:19 am ]
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Quote: Wouldn't 10's most commonly have higher self esteem then that of 7's which means that the game would have to be played differently to accommodate. Sure, you remain the prize, but if she's been propped up so high on a pedestal by a thousand guys, what chance are you going to have for her to notice your amazing trophy if you don't know a leg out or two One may think HB10 have higher self esteem and they generally do due to the attention that they get. But just because they are a 10 does not mean they have high self esteem. There is a lot of social pressure for good looking girls to stay physically attractive. One can only think this can wear a girl down over time to always have to be physically attractive in public. As god forbid they are allowed to be "ugly" in public. Quote: Tens are different because they KNOW they are tens, they know they are attractive and the know that they can have just about any guy, they don't doubt it as much as a 7 or a 8 would, and because of this you have to prove that 1) your above other guys, which you obviously are, and 2) tens are just another girl for you. Not all HB10's know they are 10's. And when you live in an area like I do where there are a lot of physically attractive girls, the "rules" flip some in the favor of the guys. Quote: Logically, 10s aren't different to a 7 or even a UB, but society dictates that they are, and therefore, for you to seem like you have social knowledge, is it not important to follow the social laws rather then the logical laws? That is a good question.

Author:	jurupa [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:26 am ]
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Quote: I think I agree with the poster, however I'm going to offer some devil's advocate stuff and say the following: "An HB10 gets approached more times per day thus has more experience parrying PUA attacks." And here's my counter argument to that: "Many men are too afraid to approach HB10's so I doubt that the number of approaches is that much higher than an HB7. Actually, I think near perfect girls get more approaches than perfect girls." Can someone get some verifiable data on this?:) I doubt HB10 are approached as often as people make it out to be. As most AFC guys are going to be intimidated by a HB10 primary due to her looks, followed by how society gives more attractive people higher value.

Author:	jurupa [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:31 am ]
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Quote: lol thats like saying whats different between playing tennis with your buddy, or Roger Federer... they both hit the ball back, both hit the same kind of shots... so whats the difference? Ones a whole hell of alot "higher value" as a tennis player :-p But that is because society gives one person more value than the other. I use to give more social value to HB10 growing up, but I stop doing that recently. Because of my "I don't give a shit" view when it comes to girls. So what if a girl is a 10. Quote: in OC it's a little different because there are alot of physically attractive girls... but in alot of places in the midwest and south that I've seen if a girl if like a 9 then she is and has been her whole life probably, the hottest girl in town by far... that breeds a certain attitude :-p Yes there are a lot of hot girls in the OC, but I don't live in what is considered the real OC which is primary the beach cities. I live inland in a relative unknown city. I can see what you are saying about the small town thing and parts of the country where there ain't millions of people around you. And I know my view point is biased due to living where I live. Quote: Simple... she hits you with harder better placed shots. Each test means more, because its more loaded. An attractive girl will hit you with a little test here and there, if you pass them you get a couple cool points... but a complete knockout will nail you with tests like a double barrelled shotgun, and if you pass those you get major cool points. If there are any winning poker players here I could explain this to them very easily lol... whats the difference between playing at a 3/6 table and a 150/300 table? :-p and really the biggest difference is how "rough" you play... if you play it exactly the same with a 7 or a 10, the 7 is either going to be horribly intimidated by you and be convinced that you are way way way out of her league, or the 10 is going to think she is way way out of your league. Calibration... Your the prize yes, but not an unattainable prize... your a challenge but one that she believes she can rise to. The difference is their own perception of themselves and the caliber of man she feels she deserves I understand what your saying, but most girls are going to throw you test anyway it being a HB7 or a HB10. Yes a 10 will throw you more test than a 7 would. But ain't these test just a way for her to make you qualify your self to her?

Author:	jurupa [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:08 am ]
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Quote: I disagree with most of you, and Jurupa. HB10's, if you choose to believe in a 'perfectly' physically attractive girl, have a generally completely different attitude to HB7's. Because whilst HB7's are used to getting hit on, HB10's are used to being the sole attention of the entire venue, street or town in which they are in. Thus, they're likely to act in two completely different ways in many situations. For example many HB9.5's in my experience (with my ideology, I've never met a 10) tend to be less predictable - I might decide to throw in a neg or teasing comment which would hit 99% of the time on an HB7, but with the HB10, she could - -Eat it up like a HB7 -Get enormously pissed because she'll think I'm just another guy trying to hit on her by teasing her or lowering her value -Feel massively self-conscious because she's used to everyone in the entire world constantly perving over her, and now one of these people give a low-opinion of her and she feels threatened -Not give give a shit because she knows she's the most valuable HB on the earth at that point in time -etc. Now, none of those options, save the first, an HB7 would do; and I used those options because they're all ones I've experienced a lot from HB9.5's. The fact is simple. HB10's, as you call them, are in an entire different world than HB7's, so to use the same methodology, if you use a structured method that is, is simply daft. It's like trying to play cricket with a golf club. It would be better to use a better tool made for cricket. Perhaps treating a 10 like a 7 works - I'm not saying it doesn't work - what I am saying though, is that there are better methods, philosophies or styles, suited or adapted specifically for 10's. Just because you're using a different method for a 10, doesn't mean you're putting her on a pedestal. That's like saying just because you're using a cricket bat to play cricket, you're giving cricket more importance than golf. In fact, if I were to take things a paradoxical step further, I might say that by trying to NOT treat 10's differently, you're actually putting them on a pedestal by giving them special SPAM, by TRYING to treat them normally. It could be said that treating them 'normally' would be simply to appreciate and acknowledge their status and beauty. Not trying to ignore it or downplay it; be a man about it. I see what your saying and agree with parts of it. I was more ranting on how people where just grouping up all of the 10's in one general group and thinking they all needed to be game differently, just because they where 10's. I never thought such thinking was smart. Each girl is different and I always thought one should adjust their game to the girl and not to how a girl looks physically.

Author:	Envision [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:11 am ]
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i dont think there would be much of a difference you may jus need to game a little bit harder. and in some cases i would see it being easier cause they wouldn't be used to the PUA routine because tools kiss their asses

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Author:	Marc [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:51 am ]
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Quote: ....I might decide to throw in a neg or teasing comment ...but with the HB10, she could - -Eat it up like a HB7 -Get enormously pissed because she'll think I'm just another guy trying to hit on her by teasing her or lowering her value -Feel massively self-conscious because she's used to everyone in the entire world constantly perving over her, and now one of these people give a low-opinion of her and she feels threatened -Not give give a shit because she knows she's the most valuable HB on the earth at that point in time -etc. This has been my experience and I agree with rest of Rafiel's post. But it also depends on who is talking to her. If you are this guy who is totally her type, High value etc.. Then in her mind has already accepted you as her equal and no longer wants you to treat her like a HB10 or put her on a pedestal. The value of a girl is raltive to your value. Think about it. If a well known celebrity approaches a HB10 she would be expecting a different approach than a avg. Joe. Does it make sense And there is nothing special about a HB10 or a HB7 or any girl for that matter.