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Author:  tutankamon [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:40 am ]
Post subject:  Salesman and PUA hand in hand.
About a month ago I was giving a sales training to about 10 people of one company in Asia and i was talking about attraction. I tried to give them some example on my newly invented equation

self confidence + happiness = attraction

and I thought of an example of guy walking into the bar being all happy and cool and getting an attention of everyone as opposed to the pretty boy who comes in, sits down and observes. (later that night I learned that is called ¨alpha male¨) hahaha

Later that night I came across an article in one online newspaper about PUA seminar. I had no idea what PUA means, but i ended up reading and watching movies of PUA all night long that night. I was fascinated. Everything I saw and read was what I was teaching in my sales classes and not only that, but also what I was doing unintentionally everyday when meeting new girls.

I have read lots of books on sales before and let me tell you, it is many times the identical stuff some PUAs are teaching you.

So. If you are a PUA and work as a scientist or engineer. I recommend you trying sales. You might make a fortune :)
Author:  R.G. [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:31 pm ]
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Although I am now only part-time, I have been a salesman ever since I was of working age. And I totally agree with you.

It's scary. I went on a compulsory weekend training course last week, and all the sales coaches were trained in NLP. A lot of the techniques were NLP-based, such as rapport, pacing and leading. Hell, there's an empathy technique they gave which is almost identical to some of Swinggcat's shit testing stuff!!!! Furthermore, the instructor gave an example of one of his students using the stuff on a lass for LMR.

I agree with you. Sales has helped me a lot with the persuasion part of pickup. After all, it could be said that pickup is merely one big persuasion.

The technology's getting out. Who will win and who will be left behind?
Author:  tutankamon [ Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:54 am ]
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If you read some more books on sales you´ll find out much more.

From the beginning when you build attraction, confidence, ATTITUDE, through the middle stage when you watch the body language, analisis of the client/HBs (I am currently trying to divide HBs into some basic character groups just like i do with my customers), the negotiation gambits of nibbling, Feel-felt-found, set aside rule, ...etc. all the way to the end when you close down the ¨sale¨.

I think it´s just fascinating.....I have been reading books on sales for ages only to find out they were actually PUA material...hahaha

One amazing fact to become a succesfull salesman is understanding of where the success lies.

15%sales training
25%verbal and written communication
15%your boss
50%ATTITUDE

For PU i say it is

15%PUA training
25%verbal and body communication

65%ATTITUDE
Author:  R.G. [ Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:41 pm ]
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Haha, well I agree with your general thrift. Totally agree that sales and pickup have a massive overlap. Can't say I agree with the following though:
Quote:
15%sales training
25%verbal and written communication
15%your boss
50%ATTITUDE

For PU i say it is

15%PUA training
25%verbal and body communication

65%ATTITUDE
Remember just less than two thirds of all communication is merely body language. Just less than a third is the tone of your voice, and only 7% is the actual words you say.

There is a guy at my workplace (a fellow salesman) who can't really speak English very well. On top of that, his accent is just dire. (He's of Tanzanian descent, but was reared in the Netherlands). However, him and me always compete to be the top salesman week on week - he's just IMMENSE.

And no one understands why - for god's sake he can barely even speak the language!

But I know why; if you talk to him, he'll always get up close and personal, be touching you, pointing at your chest, EVEN HOLDING YOUR HAND. He skillfully invades your personal space, and that's all there is to it.

Magic.

I totally agree that in sales you can 'categorize' customers, as blunt as it seems. Excuse the stereotypes, but old women are so easy to sell to. Then you get the Eastern Europeans where if you even mention the word 'insurance', they'll be running half way back across the world. And lots more 'types'. From my experience, I wouldn't say it's so easy to do that with girls though, and I've run into issues in the past trying to do the exact same thing.

For example thinking - 'she's a 9, that means I'm gonna play the value game and hit up an aggressive style'. That particular 9 just needed a genuine guy with a friendly, downbeat rhetoric to be played like a fiddle.
Author:  tutankamon [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:16 am ]
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Quote:

I totally agree that in sales you can 'categorize' customers, as blunt as it seems. Excuse the stereotypes, but old women are so easy to sell to. Then you get the Eastern Europeans where if you even mention the word 'insurance', they'll be running half way back across the world. And lots more 'types'. From my experience, I wouldn't say it's so easy to do that with girls though, and I've run into issues in the past trying to do the exact same thing.

For example thinking - 'she's a 9, that means I'm gonna play the value game and hit up an aggressive style'. That particular 9 just needed a genuine guy with a friendly, downbeat rhetoric to be played like a fiddle.
I won´t go into the categorization of customers as that is a different and long topic, but it is much more then ¨older women¨, ¨eastern europeans¨.......but it certainly works.

HB9 is perhaps way too general of a categorization.

But what about HB9, university student, rich family, local, living with 2 female roomates opposed to

HB9, bank worker, medium income family, foreigner or from another town, living alone......

Don´t you think we can preset some rules that may apply to these kinds of groups?
Author:  flawless [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:10 am ]
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I recently interned at a sales job.

Everything in life is about showing value, leading, building trust and being alpha. Same in sales.

great analogy.
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