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Author:  Walt [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Is this a failure in my game?
I've been trying to work out if putting more effort in for HB8's and above is a failure in my game.

Generally when I'm out in bars and clubs with my friends I won't bother trying to game HB6&7's and just have a good time. Sometimes they will open me and I'm quite happy to game them then. But I don't feel its worth me opening them. That's largely down to often having AA and fear of rejection from a lower value girl isn't good for social proof.

Is this an indicator of higher standards (which I have recently increased alot as I no longer drink heavily when I go out, so I'm more aware and much more confident in my inner and outer game that its the real me people are seeing). I'm also trying to get away from fool's mate.

However the fact my effort increases as the HB scale goes up, does this show that I value HB8+ too highly?! And attribute too much value in looks. And that I'm likely to expose needy behaviours by trying too hard with them.
Author:  JSmooth [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is this a failure in my game?
You are free to do what you want as always. Personally I talk to everyone from the points of social proof and pre-selection in order to fully attract the HB8 and highers.

I can see where you are coming from, "But I don't feel its worth me opening them. That's largely down to often having AA and fear of rejection from a lower value girl isn't good for social proof."

Basically, you have to understand that failrue is going to happen and happen really often. If you have an issue with AA then that's something else to work on. Even some of the really really good mPUAs out there only get about 10% of the girls they talk to. I'm not using fact but estimates. It's like baseball in a since. If you are batting around .180 plus you should be in the big leagues, LOL.

Now some of the guys out there can get a higher % because they know how to pre-screen types of women, but mostly comes down to a numbers game regardless of skill level. You have to figure for most of us we're looking at a 90% rejection chance. It's going to happen!

It's the fact that you don't let it affect you and you keep going that keeps yourself attractive in the venue. Plus most women won't really know what happened. They just know you talked to some girl on the other side of the room.

IF you are only going after HB8 and plus you are missing out on making some seriously bigger moves, and hiding your AA but not approaching as much as you should.
Author:  Walt [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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I think you're right, I shouldn't be afraid of rejection but instead CAPITALISE on the social proof of an encounter.

You mention that onlookers don't really know what happened, but I guess they can form a picture through body language during the interaction. I think it's this I'm scared of. I feel if I approach them later they will see me as the 'guy who is doing the rounds' hoping something will bite.

How do I capitalise on this instead - Is it solely down to inner game?

Turning a rejection into being seen as the social guy who's talking to everyone.

I'm guessing make an obvious prompt but positive exit - e.g following up on a false time constraint. If I leave feeling the set wanted more, this display would show massive DHV (walking away), instead of massive DLV being turned down and ejecting.
Author:  JSmooth [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:01 pm ]
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Check out this video, and really pay attention to it. AFC Adam did this.

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Now that you have that in your mind. Here is another tip. Ejecting from a set and showing that non-needy behaviour and willingness to walk away is great. When you re-open them it's easier to pickup where you goofed up the last time, and they will be more receptive. Many of the top guru's know this and its one of the inside tips. Re-opening can help with a lot of stuff.

Hope all this helps out. I would still focus on inner game as well though.
Author:  pedro2385 [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 pm ]
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I was out with a friend the other day and he was going for a HB7 and did not get anywhere. From just watching him you would never have known. It looked like him and the girl had a successful interaction and that it could have been possible she said I will meet you later.

The point I am making is most people will look on and think why can't i chat to women like that. Not oh my god he just got blown out the water. It is very rare you can tell someone has failed just by watching. Therefore i think it would be a good idea to open these lower HBs as it will do your AA some good.

Note: At one point she whispered in his ear which looked very sexual. Actually she was saying how gay his earing looked (shit test). From watching you would have never known.
Author:  JSmooth [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:41 pm ]
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Quote:
I was out with a friend the other day and he was going for a HB7 and did not get anywhere. From just watching him you would never have known. It looked like him and the girl had a successful interaction and that it could have been possible she said I will meet you later.

The point I am making is most people will look on and think why can't i chat to women like that. Not oh my god he just got blown out the water. It is very rare you can tell someone has failed just by watching. Therefore i think it would be a good idea to open these lower HBs as it will do your AA some good.

Note: At one point she whispered in his ear which looked very sexual. Actually she was saying how gay his earing looked (shit test). From watching you would have never known.
Exactly! :D
Author:  Walt [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:32 pm ]
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This is what I'm starting to realise, I need to get it in my head that people can't actually tell what you were talking about and I need to change my inner game view from 'public failure' -> 'social proof'

I guess it becomes a bit more obvious with dance floor game.

Thanks for your replies, will look into that video also!
Author:  Bruce Wayne [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:17 pm ]
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Good post,

Although a problem i have where i live is that the only place quite enough in the clubs are the outdoor smoking areas. Which normaly means you tend to pick up smokers.

If only my dancefloor game didnt repel women, ha. I got some serious rhythm issues.
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