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Author:	Ezo [ Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:15 pm ]
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I have been doing a lot of thinking on this subject. Sometimes you go out sarging and you do your routines. You perform perfect, lean back, tell it perfect, you do everything right as far as you can see. So why does the girl not get all exited and responsive? Well, incongruence. So what is incongruence, that it is morally wrong to lie? NO! That it is wrong to steal other peoples material? NO! That you may not truly believe what you try to convey? Getting close... That girls pick up on what you communicate rather than what you say? BINGO! If you come home and tell your roommate/mom/bro/anyone about the carcrash you were just in will they get all exited and wanna hear more. YES! If there are strangers around, will they feel the vibe? YES! If you go out telling people about your encounter with a gay guy, will they care? Sometimes. Will they feel the vibe? If you are a good actor, maybe. So what is different? The real story got you emotionally involved, you transmit all of those signals with your bodylanguage. You can regulate most things like posture, how you hold your hands, how you smile etc. But there are small things that you can not control (not really) like, pupil dilation, breathing etc. All those small things come together and show that you are not really emotionally congruent with what you say. It makes the delivery less convincing. It is possible to use canned material of course. Try to remember a time when you were accused of something you had done and tried to wiggle out of it. Now remember a time when you were falsely accused and tried to defend your honor. Which one was easiest to get out of? The one where you were falsely accused I bet! Because not only your words told of your innocense. To use a reliable routine, remember a situation from your own life, conjure up the feelings and emotions. Tell the story... Tell it enough times and it is a routine per definition. But noone can tell it as well as you since you were there. Good luck guys! Ezo

Author:	JSmooth [ Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:25 pm ]
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I absolutely agree. I know a lot of guys in the community that teach this stuff that are totally against indirect approaches for this reason. They believe that it's so difficult to come across the right way it's better to train people to approach direct. As one of the instructors I spoke to, Christiano Jr. from Revolution31.com said something very close to, "A guy is strong and he has his strength to rely upon if he gets into trouble. A woman does not have that. She has to rely on her intuition. And if her intuition tells her something is incongruent then she walks away." For the record I use indirect game 90% of the time I'm out there, but I also use my own openers, DHV stories, negs, etc. You won't hear me asking (Unless there is bet money or beer involved) "Tonight is a great night...my friends and I just completed a caper...and we're celebrating like it's the end of Oceans 11." Glad you pointed this out Ezo, because it's easy to over look the true "reasons" things aren't working.

Author:	Vesh [ Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:01 pm ]
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Nice i get what your saying i never really liked that canned stuff anyways

Author:	Ezo [ Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:44 am ]
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I also use indirect most of the time... But I prefer my own stories and routines. The exception to the rule is of course if you tell a story about someone else without claiming that it is about you. Or if you really truly believe it... There is a big discussion out there about what is best indirect or direct. People thinking indirect is dishonest etc... Well, it all depends on how you use it. I absolutely believe that indirect is honest too if you use your own material.

Author:	Rye Lee [ Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:26 am ]
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Good advice Ezo! I always like to tell people that it doesn't matter what story you tell people about as long as you're passionate about it and it is true! One day I went to get on the bus and the driver said that I was trying to rip him off by giving him pennies instead of dimes, but I was just wearing dark sunglasses, so I couldn't really tell without looking closely. That was all the money I had and he wasn't going to let me on, but I told him I was going to buy bus tickets at the store and I'd pay on the way back if he'd take me there and just didn't give me a return pass. On the way back I got the same driver and he covered up the ticket slot and let me get on for free because he realised I wasn't lying and decided to be nice to me in return. Not an overly interesting story I admit, but at the time I was pretty pissed off at the guy until he did that and then I felt all warm and fuzzy and it really made my day. I went out to the club that night and told the story to several people and because I was so enthusiastic about how upset I was about maybe not being able to get to the store to buy groceries and not having any more change and then suddenly being treated so kindly, people got really interested. Of course I use lots of body language to illustrate my stories and because of the way I tell it I make people feel like they're right there and most people have been in similar situations, so they get really involved. I don't think anyone else could tell my story and have people interested, but because it is MY story, it works really well even though at face value it's boring.

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