PUA Forum :: I Let my GF read the MM book

Sup guys, I let my GF read chapter 3 Rewiring her Attraction Circuitry. She said it was all true but she got mad cause she said it was written like a car manual. She also said it dehumanized wemon. I tried to defend it by saying that it was written so that it would be easy for men to understand. Anyway she is still mad. DONT LET YOUR WOMEN READ IT. Like Mystery says "dont try to change a women's mind with logic" Peace.

No ive been datin her off and on for about 2 years and got into PU in September. She thinks pickup is just a new hobby she even goes out with me to clubs and watches me PU other wemon. Its all good as long as I dont take it any further than getting their number. She trusts meand FYI she wont pivot for me

Actually girls tend to be less logical then guy are. Because girls tend to run or think by emotions more so than guys.

That doesn't mean they are less logical.

Less logical means "I love him, therefore I'll break up with him"

Or "He is sexy, I suddenly have an urge to jam a cucumber in my eye.

Logic works in EVERYTHING.

If women weren't logicaly wired then game wouldn't have any effect.

The "women are illogical" shit comes from guys who couldn't get girls, they assumed that it wasn't that they were thinking about women in a wrong way or that they didn't understand women. No, they decided the problem didn't lie with their lack of knowledge of women. They just allocated the fault to the women.

Women make perfect sense you just have to look at them and put yourself in your shoes.

Seriously, when it comes to misconceptions like "Having money will get you laid"

I have to wonder now, "How can anyone believe that shit, that just doesn't make sense"

If the only thing a guy/girl had going for him/her was money, does that mean I am attracted to him/her?

The rules of the game are perfectly logical. Hence women are logical.

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That doesn't mean they are less logical.

Less logical means "I love him, therefore I'll break up with him"

Or "He is sexy, I suddenly have an urge to jam a cucumber in my eye.

Logic by a loose definition means reason. And normally there is something to back up that reason. Emotions have no reason or rhyme to them. They are one of the most random things out there.

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Logic works in EVERYTHING.

I agree to a certain extent with this.

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If women weren't logicaly wired then game wouldn't have any effect.

But then why are there different styles of PUA then?

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From this stand point I agree.

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Women make perfect sense you just have to look at them and put yourself in your shoes.

Which I do, but I can never make fully sense of their "logic" due to their emotional side.

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Seriously, when it comes to misconceptions like "Having money will get you laid"

I have to wonder now, "How can anyone believe that shit, that just doesn't make sense"

I think you have to see it to understand it. Because I see this go on a lot where I live and it makes prefect sense to me. Because such girls are either escorts, gold diggers, sugar babies (girls that feed off rich old guys), or one night stands. But never the less such "misconceptions" won't exist if they didn't hold any truth to them just like stereotypes. And just like stereotypes they don't apply to every situation or girl for that matter.

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If the only thing a guy/girl had going for him/her was money, does that mean I am attracted to him/her?

I would say not. But seeing how girls think some may say other wise.

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The rules of the game are perfectly logical. Hence women are logical.

The general rules are logical. But when you get past the general rules there is nothing logical about it as I have found that I am bouncing all over the place rule wise when I am gaming girls. And find that there are many variables on the table to deal with when I am trying to pick up a girl.

Fin I am just going by what I see and deal with when it comes to girls, and a lot of the time I can't figure out their logic. Especially when it comes to double speak. Heres a good example of a girl being illogical in my eyes. I was talking to a female friend of mine and she said that girls DO read the profiles on the online dating sites. But not even a minute later she said that she DOES NOT read the profiles of guys that send her messages, but only looks at their picture and thats it. Now wheres the logic in that? Because I sure don't see it. I guess you could assume that she would read the profile of the guy if she was interested. But when I "called" her out on this she changed the topic, and I dropped it. And thats not the only time when I ran into such illogical thinking/logic when it comes to girls.

1. Emotions have a reason, they serve a purpose to encourage you to make a particular action. Emotions are also triggered by set factors.

People don't walk around feeling angry for no reason unless they have a mental health problem. Saying emotions are random is silly at best.

2. Different styles of PUA exhist becuase their are different styles of approach to game. Their are different styles of martial arts, that doesn't mean fighting is an action whihc holds no physics or logical grounds.

If women or fighting were illogical process's then PU and Martial arts would both be worthless.

3. So the misconception that women get sexual pleasure from being titty-fucked wasn't just made up by porn? It was an actual fact????

Misconceptions are misconceptions they are incorrect by nature.

4. Girls aren't sexually attracted to money, it's what it represents. If you have money and but act like a douche non stop, women will not like you. If power and wealth equaled women, why the fuck isn't george bush america's sexiest man?

5. Try and think less about whether you ran game well but more how she is feeling.

6. I'd like to here of these rules you keep breaking....

7. Thats not ilogical at all, she's just going back on what she says, guys do this all the time, it's called hypocrisy, and she dropped the subject becuase you called her on it and made her uncomfortable. Women HATE feeling uncomfortable or awkward they will do everything under the sun to avoid it.

8. People need to be logical to survive, women are wired a PARTICULAR WAY, the female psyche is wired in a PARTICULAR WAY. This is a logical way of thinking that they have, it's not random, it's identical atleast to some degree in every girl and it is that way for a reason. It is logical trust me.

You just need to understand that women are A more receptive to emtions, B sociable by nature (Check B's thread on "girls complaining")

It's not a case of illogical thinking, it's a case of learning to speak fluent chick.

Here's the base line, if you think women are illogical and thus don't make sense, or conform to any pattern then you have to agree that women are tottaly unpredicatable and thus cannot be reliably influenced and thus sarged.

If you HONESTLY believe that women are illogical, I can't see why you spend so much time trying to understand their behaviour. (PU)

Author:	Stizz [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:37 pm ]
Post subject:	I Let my GF read the MM book
Sup guys, I let my GF read chapter 3 Rewiring her Attraction Circuitry. She said it was all true but she got mad cause she said it was written like a car manual. She also said it dehumanized wemon. I tried to defend it by saying that it was written so that it would be easy for men to understand. Anyway she is still mad. DONT LET YOUR WOMEN READ IT. Like Mystery says "dont try to change a women's mind with logic" Peace.

Author:	LokeAlive [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:46 pm ]
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Yeah, you are absolutely right. Women like to feel like they are special and cared for. When they are loved by somebody of importance they feel even better about themselves. Just like men don't want to hear about all the ways women manipulate AFCs to get what they want (AchGold Diggersuuuuuu), women do not want to hear that they are predictable and that men can get everything they want. It makes them feel insecure about their influence on the world, on society, on relationships. Its a simple fact: People will believe what they want to believe and nobody can change that. People will selectively take information out of the environment to support whatever it is they believe. Most importantly, they avoid/become angry at things that attempt to tell them different. Human beings are NOT logical creatures. Since women are more involved with their feelings, they are even more illogical than men in many respects.

Author:	Brad- [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:09 pm ]
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The way I explained it to my girl is that most of the community speak is written in extremes. Some of it may sound misogynistic and derogatory, but that is just because most people are coming from so far on the other end of the spectrum, that they need the other extreme to balance themselves out. Chode------------Normal--------------Misogyny Also, like the other poster wrote, men are way more logical than women...

Author:	Blanc [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:38 am ]
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haha good thing you posted that cus i just bought his book and i let it sitting on my desk....

Author:	Fin [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:29 am ]
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Quote: Sup guys, I let my GF read chapter 3 Rewiring her Attraction Circuitry. She said it was all true but she got mad cause she said it was written like a car manual. She also said it dehumanized wemon. I tried to defend it by saying that it was written so that it would be easy for men to understand. Anyway she is still mad. DONT LET YOUR WOMEN READ IT. Like Mystery says "dont try to change a women's mind with logic" Peace. My gf's have read my material I've written, and others, and I let them browse PUAF when they are over and I'm not with them in the room to keep them entertained. Calm the fuck down, your forgetting we've got female PUA's on this site, women your in a relaationship with and their knowledge of the community isn't incompatable. Take respnsibility and explain it to her better. She'll understand when she's see's the bigger picture.

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Author:	jurupa [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:03 pm ]
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Quote: Sup guys, I let my GF read chapter 3 Rewiring her Attraction Circuitry. She said it was all true but she got mad cause she said it was written like a car manual. She also said it dehumanized wemon. I tried to defend it by saying that it was written so that it would be easy for men to understand. Anyway she is still mad. DONT LET YOUR WOMEN READ IT. Like Mystery says "dont try to change a women's mind with logic" Peace. Question did you use MM book to get your current girlfriend? If so ask her did she felt dehumanized when you where gaming her.

Author:	Stizz [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:39 pm ]
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No ive been datin her off and on for about 2 years and got into PU in September. She thinks pickup is just a new hobby she even goes out with me to clubs and watches me PU other wemon. Its all good as long as I dont take it any further than getting their number. She trusts meand FYI she wont pivot for me

Author:	The Big Bad Wolf [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:50 pm ]
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No worries, man. It's not really that much women, as it is emotional people. People feel I shouldn't try to read their personality type, either. Some people think that is objectifying persons, and yet; it works. They say, it's not that simple, and I agree, it's really not. But people are, after all, only one race, and it's in our nature to generalize. And some things can be generalized, some are harder. But when you find those common denominators, and make use of them, it shouldn't be thought of as bad, but it will make people queasy. If you have that extra piece of information, it appears magical. If people learn that piece, and it's simple, they feel as though they've been had. There's probably some easy psychological explanation, but bottom line: People don't like that you know, and leverage, stuff about themselves that they are not familiar with. So take care, explore the person first, and if they seem like the type who's curious about these things, show them, if they're pretty locked in their paradigm, and don't really like having their boat rocked, don't. Cheers

Author:	jurupa [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:47 pm ]
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Quote: No ive been datin her off and on for about 2 years and got into PU in September. She thinks pickup is just a new hobby she even goes out with me to clubs and watches me PU other wemon. Its all good as long as I dont take it any further than getting their number. She trusts meand FYI she wont pivot for me Ask her when you go out with her and you game other girls does she think you still dehumanize girls. Because I have a feeling that if she really thought that should had tried to stop you from doing it if she felt that strongly about it.

Author:	Fin [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:18 pm ]
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Hang on, women are less logical than men, thats bull. If you don't understand someone that doesn't make them illogical. It means YOU HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY and YOU have to figure them out. That can only be achieved through logic.

Author:	jurupa [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:23 am ]
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Actually girls tend to be less logical then guy are. Because girls tend to run or think by emotions more so than guys.

Author:	Fin [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:52 am ]
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Quote: Actually girls tend to be less logical then guy are. Because girls tend to run or think by emotions more so than guys. That doesn't mean they are less logical. Less logical means "I love him, therefore I'll break up with him" Or "He is sexy, I suddenly have an urge to jam a cucumber in my eye. Logic works in EVERYTHING. If women weren't logicaly wired then game wouldn't have any effect. The "women are illogical" shit comes from guys who couldn't get girls, they assumed that it wasn't that they were thinking about women in a wrong way or that they didn't understand women. No, they decided the problem didn't lie with their lack of knowledge of women. They just allocated the fault to the women. Like a ten year old who keeps on getting the same question in his maths test wrong. He doesn't think "Hmm how can I approach this?" He gets immature "it doesn't make any sense" I have never gotten a close, been blown out or met a girl who to this day still didn't make sense. Even days when I got blown out and had no idea why... now I understand. Women make perfect sense you just have to look at them and put yourself in your shoes. Seriously, when it comes to misconceptions like "Having money will get you laid" I have to wonder now, "How can anyone believe that shit, that just doesn't make sense" Not becuase of whats written in a book. But if I put myself in her shoes, and thought. If the only thing a guy/girl had going for him/her was money, does that mean I am attracted to him/her? The rules of the game are perfectly logical. Hence women are logical.

Author:	jurupa [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:41 pm ]
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Quote: That doesn't mean they are less logical. Less logical means "I love him, therefore I'll break up with him" Or "He is sexy, I suddenly have an urge to jam a cucumber in my eye. Logic by a loose definition means reason. And normally there is something to back up that reason. Emotions have no reason or rhyme to them. They are one of the most random things out there. Quote: Logic works in EVERYTHING. I agree to a certain extent with this. Quote: If women weren't logicaly wired then game wouldn't have any effect. But then why are there different styles of PUA then? Quote: The "women are illogical" shit comes from guys who couldn't get girls, they assumed that it wasn't that they were thinking about women in a wrong way or that they didn't understand women. No, they decided the problem didn't lie with their lack of knowledge of women. They just allocated the fault to the women. From this stand point I agree. Quote: Women make perfect sense you just have to look at them and put yourself in your shoes. Which I do, but I can never make fully sense of their "logic" due to their emotional side. Quote: Seriously, when it comes to misconceptions like "Having money will get you laid" I have to wonder now, "How can anyone believe that shit, that just doesn't make sense" I think you have to see it to understand it. Because I see this go on a lot where I live and it makes prefect sense to me. Because such girls are either escorts, gold diggers, sugar babies (girls that feed off rich old guys), or one night stands. But never the less such "misconceptions" won't exist if they didn't hold any truth to them just like stereotypes. And just like stereotypes they don't apply to every situation or girl for that matter. Quote: If the only thing a guy/girl had going for him/her was money, does that mean I am attracted to him/her? I would say not. But seeing how girls think some may say other wise. Quote: The rules of the game are perfectly logical. Hence women are logical. The general rules are logical. But when you get past the general rules there is nothing logical about it as I have found that I am bouncing all over the place rule wise when I am gaming girls. And find that there are many variables on the table to deal with when I am trying to pick up a girl. Fin I am just going by what I see and deal with when it comes to girls, and a lot of the time I can't figure out their logic. Especially when it comes to double speak. Heres a good example of a girl being illogical in my eyes. I was talking to a female friend of mine and she said that girls DO read the profiles on the online dating sites. But not even a minute later she said that she DOES NOT read the profiles of guys that send her messages, but only looks at their picture and thats it. Now wheres the logic in that? Because I sure don't see it. I guess you could assume that she would read the profile of the guy if she was interested. But when I "called" her out on this she changed the topic, and I dropped it. And thats not the only time when I ran into such illogical thinking/logic when it comes to girls.

Author:	Fin [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:58 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: That doesn't mean they are less logical. Less logical means "I love him, therefore I'll break up with him" Or "He is sexy, I suddenly have an urge to jam a cucumber in my eye. Logic by a loose definition means reason. And normally there is something to back up that reason. Emotions have no reason or rhyme to them. They are one of the most random things out there. Quote: Logic works in EVERYTHING. I agree to a certain extent with this. Quote: If women weren't logicaly wired then game wouldn't have any effect. But then why are there different styles of PUA then? Quote: The "women are illogical" shit comes from guys who couldn't get girls, they assumed that it wasn't that they were thinking about women in a wrong way or that they didn't understand women. No, they decided the problem didn't lie with their lack of knowledge of women. They just allocated the fault to the women. From this stand point I agree. Quote: Women make perfect sense you just have to look at them and put yourself in your shoes. Which I do, but I can never make fully sense of their "logic" due to their emotional side. Quote: Seriously, when it comes to misconceptions like "Having money will get you laid" I have to wonder now, "How can anyone believe that shit, that just doesn't make sense" I think you have to see it to understand it. Because I see this go on a lot where I live and it makes prefect sense to me. Because such girls are either escorts, gold diggers, sugar babies (girls that feed off rich old guys), or one night stands. But never the less such "misconceptions" won't exist if they didn't hold any truth to them just like stereotypes. And just like stereotypes they don't apply to every situation or girl for that matter. Quote: If the only thing a guy/girl had going for him/her was money, does that mean I am attracted to him/her? I would say not. But seeing how girls think some may say other wise. Quote: The rules of the game are perfectly logical. Hence women are logical. The general rules are logical. But when you get past the general rules there is nothing logical about it as I have found that I am bouncing all over the place rule wise when I am gaming girls. And find that there are many variables on the table to deal with when I am trying to pick up a girl. Fin I am just going by what I see and deal with when it comes to girls, and a lot of the time I can't figure out their logic. Especially when it comes to double speak. Heres a good example of a girl being illogical in my eyes. I was talking to a female friend of mine and she said that girls DO read the profiles on the online dating sites. But not even a minute later she said that she DOES NOT read the profiles of guys that send her messages, but only looks at their picture and thats it. Now wheres the logic in that? Because I sure don't see it. I guess you could assume that she would read the profile of the guy if she was interested. But when I "called" her out on this she changed the topic, and I dropped it. And thats not the only time when I ran into such illogical thinking/logic when it comes to girls. 1. Emotions have a reason, they serve a purpose to encourage you to make a particular action. Emotions are also triggered by set factors. People don't walk around feeling angry for no reason unless they have a mental health problem. Saying emotions are random is silly at best. 2. Different styles of PUA exhist becuase their are different styles of approach to game. Their are different styles of martial arts, that doesn't mean fighting is an action whihc holds no physics or logical grounds. If women or fighting were illogical process's then PU and Martial arts would both be worthless. 3. So the misconception that women get sexual pleasure from being titty-fucked wasn't just made up by porn? It was an actual fact???? Misconceptions are misconceptions they are incorrect by nature. 4. Girls aren't sexually attracted to money, it's what it represents. If you have money and but act like a douche non stop, women will not like you. If power and wealth equaled women, why the fuck isn't george bush america's sexiest man? 5. Try and think less about whether you ran game well but more how she is feeling. 6. I'd like to here of these rules you keep breaking.... 7. Thats not ilogical at all, she's just going back on what she says, guys do this all the time, it's called hypocrisy, and she dropped the subject becuase you called her on it and made her uncomfortable. Women HATE feeling uncomfortable or awkward they will do everything under the sun to avoid it. 8. People need to be logical to survive, women are wired a PARTICULAR WAY, the female psyche is wired in a PARTICULAR WAY. This is a logical way of thinking that they have, it's not random, it's identical atleast to some degree in every girl and it is that way for a reason. It is logical trust me. You just need to understand that women are A more receptive to emtions, B sociable by nature (Check B's thread on "girls complaining") It's not a case of illogical thinking, it's a case of learning to speak fluent chick. Here's the base line, if you think women are illogical and thus don't make sense, or conform to any pattern then you have to agree that women are tottaly unpredicatable and thus cannot be reliably influenced and thus sarged. If you HONESTLY believe that women are illogical, I can't see why you spend so much time trying to understand their behaviour. (PU)

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Author:	jurupa [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:12 am ]
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Quote: 1. Emotions have a reason, they serve a purpose to encourage you to make a particular action. Emotions are also triggered by set factors. People don't walk around feeling angry for no reason unless they have a mental health problem. Saying emotions are random is silly at best. 2. Different styles of PUA exhist becuase their are different styles of approach to game. Their are different styles of martial arts, that doesn't mean fighting is an action whihc holds no physics or logical grounds. If women or fighting were illogical process's then PU and Martial arts would both be worthless. 3. So the misconception that women get sexual pleasure from being titty-fucked wasn't just made up by porn? It was an actual fact???? Misconceptions are misconceptions they are incorrect by nature. 4. Girls aren't sexually attracted to money, it's what it represents. If you have money and but act like a douche non stop, women will not like you. If power and wealth equaled women, why the fuck isn't george bush america's sexiest man? 5. Try and think less about whether you ran game well but more how she is feeling. 6. I'd like to here of these rules you keep breaking.... 7. Thats not ilogical at all, she's just going back on what she says, guys do this all the time, it's called hypocrisy, and she dropped the subject becuase you called her on it and made her uncomfortable. Women HATE feeling uncomfortable or awkward they will do everything under the sun to avoid it. 8. People need to be logical to survive, women are wired a PARTICULAR WAY, the female psyche is wired in a PARTICULAR WAY. This is a logical way of thinking that they have, it's not random, it's identical atleast to some degree in every girl and it is that way for a reason. It is logical trust me. You just need to understand that women are A more receptive to emtions, B sociable by nature (Check B's thread on "girls complaining") It's not a case of illogical thinking, it's a case of learning to speak fluent chick. Here's the base line, if you think women are illogical and thus don't make sense, or conform to any pattern then you have to agree that women are tottaly unpredicatable and thus cannot be reliably influenced and thus sarged. If you HONESTLY believe that women are illogical, I can't see why you spend so much time trying to understand their behaviour. (PU) I agree with that your saying. I guess what I am trying to say is that because some of the actions/behaviors I have seen from girls looks illogical to me as I don't see the logic to it and if I do ask for their logic behind it their reason doesn't make sense to me. The link below basically gets at what I was trying to get at: http://neptune.spaceports.com/~words/malelogic.html Its a bit heavy on the English, but I think you may understand what I was trying to say.