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Author:  Chief [ Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:17 am ]
Post subject:  Fat Chicks and Beta Males

Imagine a fat chick going on a healthy diet and exercising regularly as she loses weight to become more attractive to the opposite sex. Everyone she knows compliments her all the time for her valiant effort. Once she actually gets hot, she gets way more attention from men and people shower her with more attention and praise.

Now imagine a beta male AFC learning self improvement and pickup as he gains confidence to become more attractive to the opposite sex. Everyone he tells his commitment to change to looks down on him for following some "bullshit" advice and for being "creepy." Once he actually garners some success through this discipline, suddenly he's negatively marked as "one of those pickup guys."

A girl becoming more attractive by losing weight is directly analogous to a guy becoming more attractive by learning pickup, so why is there such a discrepancy on how people judge these two methods of self improvement?

It's becoming more clear that there are two very different methodologies in learning pickup nowadays. The first, and arguably "wrong" way to do it is to learn a bag of tricks for the purpose of hiding your true ugly self in an attempt to deceive a woman into believing that you're better than you actually are. The second, and arguably "right" way to do it is to work through a strenuous process of facing your inner demons and actually changing who you are on the inside so that you genuinely become a "sexworthy" man, and then learn how to present yourself in the most sincere way possible to most effectively communicate your real attractiveness.

You cannot compare the first methodology of learning pickup to a fat chick losing weight through a disciplined program of diet and exercise. Instead it's more like the fat chick who takes pictures of herself from deceptive overhead angles to produce photos that make her appear more attractive than she actually is, and then posting those pictures on her myspace or facebook. It's a TRICK that infuriates men who actually buy into the misrepresentation and actually agree to meet up with the girl, only to discover that he's been fantasizing about a whale.

A woman who commits to a strenuous process of change deserves the respect she gets, as does the man who grows a pair and faces his inner demons to mature himself for real. Any action that involves hiding who you really are is certainly not respectable and in some cases actually disgusting. Unfortunately, the mainstream view of the pickup community is related to the deceptive methods of hiding, but those of us who have nothing to hide won't have to worry about those negative judgments.

So, to all you PUAs who still use Mystery's canned material: You are scared about the public knowing about our community because you're still hiding. Step up to the next level and change yourself instead of just manipulating your behavior. The only way you'll actually change is to man up and do what you're afraid of doing. These things include:

>Facing your inner demons.
>Daring to love yourself and all persons.
>Really identifying who you are right now without letting your ego define you.
>Actually approaching women in spite of your approach anxiety.
>Taking full responsibility for your own life and actions.
>Turning the other cheek, metaphorically speaking.
>Taming your ego (Tolle's ego, not Freud's).

That's just a small starter list. If you've got any other ideas to contribute, please comment below.

Author:  Cinnamon Spice [ Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:02 am ]
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I couldn't have said it better myself Chief.
Thank you so much for this post.

I feel it's important for this to become known too.
If you do things the "right" way then anyone can do it, it's no longer about gender or lines, so females can do it too.

This is great post.

Thanks Chief.

Cinnamon

Author:  Stormy [ Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:43 am ]
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"This just in, Chief disavows use of canned material in pickup, unequivocally taking a stance in the natural/canned debate. Pickup pundits agree that this move will set off a firestorm in the pickup and seduction community, as the victors claim the spoils, and the defeated either lose their shit or try to act like they don't care."

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Zan Perrion
Pickup Artist

"I think that this is a great moment for the pickup and seduction community. Chief really made the right decision. I love women."

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Tyler Durden
Pickup Artist

"I think this is really super awesome that Chief did this. Chief is in congruence with his values and living in his own reality. I like salad."

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Mystery
Pickup Artist

"I think that Chief has a lot of potential, but he seems unwilling to embrace our method. He opens well, but when he tries to hook, he miscalibrates and strays from the material that he has been given. Chief, it's game over. I like medallions."

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Ross Jeffries
Pickup Artist

"GRRRRR! I AM ROSS JEFFRIES! I HATE EVERYTHING! I LIKE NOTHING! GRRRRR!"

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"We'll have more on this story as it develops. Keep it tuned to Fox News."

Author:  redpill [ Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:06 am ]
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This has goes back to the confidence argument. When someone tells you to be confident, that really isn't going to get you much. Its through successes that you develop confidence.

How do we gain successes? We have to practice and fail at first, before we can have success.

The canned material seem to be more like really good training wheels to help get yourself off your feet and help you through your transition. Eventually you'll have enough understanding and CONFIDENCE to integrate your own creativity/personality? I suppose that even then.. some people fall into the comfort bubble of using tested canned material, because they know it works.. as opposed to taking risks all over again with genuine stuff.

That's how I perceive it.

Author:  Chief [ Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:32 am ]
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omg Stormy I can't stop rofling

I actually still think it's useful to have some canned material prepared!!! It's bad to solely rely on them, though. And, yes, they make for great training wheels as long as they don't become crutches.

Author:  madals [ Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:43 pm ]
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stormy, greatest reply EVER!
Chief, great post!

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