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Are False Time Constraints absolutely necessary?
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Author:  Fair Rose [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:23 am ]
Post subject:  Are False Time Constraints absolutely necessary?
In recent weeks, I had the pleasure to be interviewed by Mehow's lovely personal assistant, Vanessa. She was shooting a testimonal for Mehow's Get The Girl Manual. Now the interview was only supposed to run about a half hour long (we met up at her house 2 hours late, long story), but we ended up chillin well over an hour, even after the footage was caught. Now I didn't try to run any "material" on her, not because I didn't believe it would work, but because I thought it might come off as being a little corny. Plus I do perfectly fine being The Natural Guy I believe I've grown to be. So we both were just naturally cool laid back and fun (weird shit happened that night which I'll post if V ever sends me the final footage).

That night had me thinking if False Time Constraints were absolutely necessary? (I did eventually leave V's crib though, but only after I realized that she had to continue packing for her mini vacation, long story).

Since that night, when I open sets, I rarely if ever use false time constraints within the first five minutes. Now it's not because I don't belive they are effective, because they really are. I know perfectly well that False Time Constraints are build to convey "non-neediness" and a sense that you have a places to be.

This all subcommunicates and registers in the target's head that you won't be there forever. I don't use FTCs more so because I almost always forget to use them. Sometimes I get so caught up in the dynamics of the interaction that suddenly saying "Hey I gotta meet up with a couple of friends of mind, so I can only stay a second, but get this..." seems a little contrived to me since I do alot of pick up's solo.

Usually when I sense the conversation's gettin' dull or see my target's eyes wavering I briefly say "Oh, if you have some place to be, you can go, don't mind me..." and I've only dealt with one occasion where a woman had to left at that exact moment.

So my question is, are false time constraints absolutely necessary, when you choose to live in your own reality and can care less about the actual outcome of the interaction? I find myself to be a very non-needy individual and can't grasp my head around the whole False Time Constraint concept. It's almost a necessary evil sort of thing I find myself using less and less... and less.
Author:  jurupa [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:19 am ]
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I think false time restraints are stupid. Why eject when your having fun with talking to some hot chick? I understand the need/reason/logic to not look desperate or needy but I don't think a chick will see that let alone think that if the two of you are having a good time talking to each other. She will more than likely like you because she is having a good with you.
Author:  A Minor [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:04 am ]
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I think false time restraints are stupid. Why eject when your having fun with talking to some hot chick? I understand the need/reason/logic to not look desperate or needy but I don't think a chick will see that let alone think that if the two of you are having a good time talking to each other. She will more than likely like you because she is having a good with you.
You don't eject. Thus "False" time constraint.

Now to the OP:
They are as necessary as you make them out to be, I believe. You are right, they do help but I'm sure everyone on this forum has had success with out them. If you are in the mode, I don't think technicality or anything more than a general understanding of attraction/comfort/seduction mechanisms is necessary.

Good post.
Author:  Plethora [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:15 am ]
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I don't often give verbal false-time-constraints, I almost always give non-verbal false-time-constraints though.

Until I have reached the hook point (which half the time is immediately, sometimes takes ten minutes), I naturally just have body language that conveys I have nothing invested in the set. I am leaning back, often turned at an angle, body rocking, etc...

Obviously you don't 'need' to FTC (verbally) because naturals don't and they do great. If you make it part of who you are that you don't show too much interest in a set until they do, then you're golden.
Author:  FNB [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:32 am ]
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Sometimes I use verbal False Time Constraints (FTC) but more often non verbal FTCs. I think that Ross Jeffries has said somewhere that he doesn't use FTCs. Secondly he also don't use negs. So therefore my answer is that FTCs are not so necessary. I have also attracted girls on the street without FTCs so therefore FTCs are not that necessary.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:38 am ]
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I've never been into False Time Constraints. They've always seemed silly to me because they've a load of shit that you are telling a person just to trick them into thinking you're cool and I'm completely against being dishonest with people. The only time I'll mention a time constraint is when there literally is a time constraint on our interaction.

I dismissed the idea of having to have places to go and people to hang out with as determining a person's level of cool and because I know I'm an awesome person, then trying use an FTC in order to appear more cool just comes off weird if I ever attempt it. I have to believe a lie that I'm telling in order for it to come off good and because I don't think having somewhere to go will make me more cool, then they're not gonna believe it either.

The only other reason that I can think of for using an FTC is to prevent people from thinking you're gonna hang around for a while and creep them out. I very very rarely get that reaction from people, for various reasons, so again I don't need to address it by using an FTC.

I don't think anyone NEEDS to use an FTC, but if you are having issues with the creepy factor, then I'd say they can be useful until you get that issue under control. If you're just doing it to seem cooler, then I'd say you need to work on actually BEING cooler.
Author:  Archangel White Rose [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:51 pm ]
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False time constraints are used when developing game so that you don't come across as imposing yourself on girls. Many times women report that creepy or annoying guys will walk up to them and talk and they won't leave, even when conversation gets dull, even after being given a few hints to leave.

When you get better at game and you know the conversation will go well even before you approach you can drop the time constraint in most cases.

There is another big use for false time constraints which even pros can make use of. People will always want what they can't have and the greatest gift you can give a girl is the gift of missing you. When you go into a conversation with a false time constraint you install the fear of losing you too soon.

When in conversation and things are going good you use the false time contraint to fall away and force the girl to pull you back. Nothing is as satisfying as having the girls pulling at you to prevent you from leaving ;)

Which brings me to the other subject of leaving in the middle of having fun. You will always remember a meal by it's last bite, and the same thing goes towards interaction. A BIG secret to hooking girls so that you can easily meet up with them some other time is to break the interaction at the HIGH point, not the low. This counter-intuitive idea is what makes it so unique.

What happens is you install the latest memory of you two having lots of fun, and the next time you meet up you will begin from that same moment of extreme fun. This is EXTREMELY effective and can be easily used to get girl very excited about you and have them coming back to you for more.

Remember always leave them wanting more. More to come soon.
Author:  A Minor [ Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:35 am ]
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False time constraints are used when developing game so that you don't come across as imposing yourself on girls. Many times women report that creepy or annoying guys will walk up to them and talk and they won't leave, even when conversation gets dull, even after being given a few hints to leave.

When you get better at game and you know the conversation will go well even before you approach you can drop the time constraint in most cases.

There is another big use for false time constraints which even pros can make use of. People will always want what they can't have and the greatest gift you can give a girl is the gift of missing you. When you go into a conversation with a false time constraint you install the fear of losing you too soon.

When in conversation and things are going good you use the false time contraint to fall away and force the girl to pull you back. Nothing is as satisfying as having the girls pulling at you to prevent you from leaving ;)

Which brings me to the other subject of leaving in the middle of having fun. You will always remember a meal by it's last bite, and the same thing goes towards interaction. A BIG secret to hooking girls so that you can easily meet up with them some other time is to break the interaction at the HIGH point, not the low. This counter-intuitive idea is what makes it so unique.

What happens is you install the latest memory of you two having lots of fun, and the next time you meet up you will begin from that same moment of extreme fun. This is EXTREMELY effective and can be easily used to get girl very excited about you and have them coming back to you for more.

Remember always leave them wanting more. More to come soon.
Good post. Agreed, the FTC can serve this second purpose as well. I found myself once throwing it out over the phone as well purely for the purpose of making myself more elusive.
Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:30 pm ]
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A simple reply to this

Q- What are the three things going through a woman's mind when approached by a random stranger (especially in a nightlclub)?

A- Who is this guy? What does he want? How long is he going to stay here?

By opening without giving your name (initially at least), say Hi "My friend and I were having a discussion" or "Im on my way to a business meeting....." (false time constraint), hook her "You look interesting/smart/cool", hooking with an opinion opener (could be a genuine question) you'll get at least 20minutes of conversation out of her.

During day game I opened this HB9 in a Mall. I opened and said "Hi, sorry to bother you. Im meeting my buddy in 30 minutes, he's hung over from a massive party last night. We're goin to a party tonight and I need a shirt. Can I get your opinion on one (in shop close to where she is stopped)". Works 100% of time.

Like anything in PUA- I could write a long- overcomplicated, philosophical respnse to your question.
But like anything if you're unsure. Get your ass off your computer chair, go out and try Opening the next girl you see with/without a FTC and see what results you get. Good luck!
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