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Author:  Impact [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:  why? why wingmen?

Hey I’m rarely ever on this forum anymore, starting my own private thing outside! and one of the first thing people ask me when I talk to them is where do I get my wingmen or how do i find a wingman? forums or recommendation?

My reply is simple. But long as I explain it...

You don't need a wingman, ever! Why do you want a cock buddy when your going in field. This game is about you and the person you have a thing for. Not you and several cock buddies going to the club holding hands.

Under no circumstance, whatsoever, do you need to be with another man. His or her insecurities can depend on the status and outcome of the girl/set your in, or even the mentality before you get in or after you run and exit the set.

For instance the guy your with is great with women, and your average, at the end of the day the sets you guys sarge will most likely want to be with the higher status male, that’s him not you. You will be seen as the reject man and so the entire club will label you. A beta guy is a beta guy, no matter how cool he is and no matter how much better he is then all the other delta males in the vicinity. In some rare situation the girl will pretend to like you, even sleep with you to get to him.

Lets say you go out with a wingman and he sucks and you happen to do allot better... the girls are thinking to themselves why are these two together? something’s off.. hes cool but if hes friends with that guy then he cant be.. lets get out of here.

Finally the journey you undertake in this is your own not anyone else’s or through anyone else.. You don’t gain magical reputation points by sarging with a local pua layer people, nor are you cooler, more fun or more well known.

Generally all these so called pickup artists are fake and its disappointing to see. The sooner you can get away from them the better. The last thing you want is to hang around and let their positives and negatives rub off on you as a person to your core. Especially when you first start off and you more or less don’t even know yourself or your abilities and status.

I never sarge with a wing, I may tutor someone in field, but i don't utilize "wing men".

In the very very rare situations that I do... Which is when im out for someone’s birthday and I have a cool friend who has no real knowledge about this PUA stuff, someone who I've known for a while who I personally like and believe would benefit from having a girl of certain status and value in his life, then and only then will i introduce her to him, and if she has a friend or friends we can run certain game and pretend we are better then sliced bread. At the end of the day everyone knows its just fun, mind you its all natural anyway, there is no tricks or bullshit involved. I wont recommend him some random girl no way! Nor will I waste my time if the girl doesn’t pass the criteria for him.

Brake from the square people. Wingmen are not the key, you are, that's all.
Author:  Killians [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:49 pm ]
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I would say "wingmen" are good when you are first starting out. Main reason being is that you might be unaware of certain things like your body language.
Author:  Impact [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:12 pm ]
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I would say "wingmen" are good when you are first starting out. Main reason being is that you might be unaware of certain things like your body language.
We have videos and books for that I'm sure.
Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:59 am ]
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If you're not happy to be seen with your buddy, don't take him out (clubbing anyway).

Its the same with women and their social circles. They only invite their hot friends out to have a good looking troupe. They do not invite their older, fatter, non energetic, average looking friends behind as it would lower their groups value.

A simple way to get around this predicament, is to sarge solo........but bring along 5 or more female "pivots".
In order to do this you must ALL have a common (non-sexual) interest, a reason to party and by all means it has to be better than what she currently gets alone when out only with her female friends.
For example you can get into VIP but get charged the door price? She can get Free Entry, Free Champaige, A Reserved Table and an "any time" high five from the bouncer.

I think one day in the not oo distant future guys will realise that their Wingman screwing up is the least of their worries.
Its the fact you are unable to make Social Alliances that are reflective of yourself...................
Author:  chi [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:18 am ]
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look impact I'm no expert but as I see it, this reasoning is flawed, because in theory you are NOT doing whatever it is to pick up women. You are doing it to have fun and chill with your friend. The girl must be coincidental in order for this to work. After all, what kind of loser goes somewhere with the explicit purpose of getting laid? And why would you go into a social setting in which you don't actually know anyone? You aren't looking for a hooker, right?

Plus, your wingman/woman is going to meet x amount of girls which you won't meet, and will subsequently get introduced to. And this is primarily a numbers game, so this can be a HUGE advantage.
Author:  Eminem [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:09 am ]
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wow i almost want to start a new thread for this because i dont want to sound like im disagreeing with u and fuck up the topic here. thats what i am about to do.


we'll see if anyone replys to it. but suffice:

i agree with 90% of what u said.

i rarely use wings unless im in town with my good close buddies that i trust. even then i only trust two of them as good wings.

that is my point. your thesis is based on the premise that there is no ideal wingman

thats just not true. its hard to find one but i believe that matador would be great wing for mystery and vice versa.

here is what u need (in my opinion)

a) a guy you trust and know when and has good social skills/decent pua skills. someone who wont change his mind about what he is going to do or say or loose interest in being your wing

b) someone who is alpha male like you, similarly attractive to the ladies, and good skills like i said above. someone with similar high social value

c) there was a third thing but i forgot it lol

basically someone u trust to do what they are supposed to

but i agree it is your journey and dont sell out to anybody. dont NEED anybody. you dont need this forum and u dont need a wing

but they can are iv found are useful tools on your journey. like any personal journy of great reward and challenge, it is very hard to dismiss the assistance of others

however having said all that i think this is a VERY VALUABLE POST!!!

i rarely ever use wings as i said. i go out and have increasingly been able to handle larger and larger groups on my own. with alpha males, maybe three guys and 5 girls

but its hard. a wing can help u. he really can tie up an asshole jelious afc or an asshole AMOG...

they are unnessisary distractions to your preferred route of game and if they can be tied up by your wing why not

i hope what iv said makes sense. and they can give you social proof

however there is something to be said for a guy who is confident to go out on his own. however this is more a day game truth then in the club or bar

at the club or bar people begin to ask why is this guy here

and the reasons arent always good that come to mind

basically a wing can tie up half of the group or an amog.

this isnt something i advocate as a pua or something the people on this site probably advocate but when there is a real asshole amog or a couple douchbag confrontational guys

my buddies sometimes confront them straight up and i play good cop and the girls LOVE IT!
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