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Author:  madals [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:29 pm ]
Post subject:  I normally wouldnt do this but....
It just has to be done. Not for me but for her.
Here's the deal, HB9.5 with a smashing personality and i really get on with her. Like fool the first time we met about an hour in i asked if she had a BF (i dont know why i did it, it was stupid after all the IOI's i know but shh). We had a brief conversation about him. Mainly revolving round her saying she doesnt know why she was with him. Now, i realised as i said it was stupid so I avoided being her life coach carfully and moved on. But the thing is, i couldnt bring myself to make a serious move knowning she was taken. I view it that if I was the guy i wouldnt want her to cheat on me.

However, i did just carry on with it, kino push pull and just getting on well. She gave me loads of IOIs and frequently asked for my number (she asked within 5mins of us meeting, at about 30min and an hour.... i kept ignoring it because i wanted to make her work for it)
Anyways, after sitting on a roundabout for a 2 and a bit hours i had to go and she ran to get her phone so i could get her number and msn. We have been talking on there occassionaly every few days for about a week.

She is definatly into me, but the BF is still around. Because of what she said about him, i know she can do better and me and her would do brilliant together. She said to me "i never felt so connected with some1 who is a virtual stranger" (i was testing emotional communication over locical communication)

Anyways, how would u suggest i go about this 1 considering the BF?
Its a basic question because this is my first time with a situation like this :)
Madals
Author:  madals [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:39 am ]
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That would be my plan except i have only been getting IOIs. No solid SOI yet, probably because of the BF.
Normally i wouldnt wait for a SOI but because she has a BF i just dont want to escelate while she is taken.

We are "engaged" (acting we're married, one of my favoirtes) and i am getting solid IOI's. But saying something like you suggest seems very strong considering she hasnt openly come out with liking me. I know it isnt needed since normally I would just game on with IOI's and end up closing, but it just seems different? (possibly because it a totally new situation - i forgot how fun it is getting a totally new aspect to think about :D )

I have also been using the whole "your perfect for eachother" idea to make her doubt him more. I am not sure if thats the right thing to do but it seems to be working.

Madals
Author:  madals [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:19 am ]
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Right, this is harder than i thought it would be (which btw is brilliant, i love challenges :) )

So i have just kept gaming, moving forward slowly. Nicknames for eachother, play engagement, talking about "us" in the future all the normal game stuff after the inital interaction.

I am still getting IOI's. She is trying to qualify herself and all that. I am getting outright compliments and have been told in various ways that "she has never been so connected with a guy so well so quickly".

However, she still keeps mentioning the BF at some points, usually when i try and push things a little more forward.
An example of this was she text me last night and without boring details i replied i was on the sofa watching a film, and if she was really good and got me a drink i would let her come and cuddle up with her soon to be husband. (was totally in frame). And just continued another thread i had going about where she would be if she could be anwhere right now.

Her responce was "with my BF or on a beach, what about you". I ignored the BF part and decided to go to bed, it was about 2 in the morning.


Needless to say, i am not quite sure how to get this going. Its by no means oneites (although I am more interested in her than most) and i have lots of distractions when i start at college in a week.
Any help?
Madals
Author:  AV8OR [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:29 am ]
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i reckon u go for it man, sure y not like if you have a connection with her that obviously her boyfriend and her dont have, let her no but be cool about it!!

8)
Author:  madals [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:27 am ]
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i reckon u go for it man, sure y not like if you have a connection with her that obviously her boyfriend and her dont have, let her no but be cool about it!!

8)
Any more detail?
I know her and the BF arnt brilliant because she has told me she doesnt know why she is with him. So i am thinking she feels naughty flirting with me when he is around but also doesnt want to end it with him?
Author:  Stetson [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:11 pm ]
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Eh, always follow your SOI with an IOD.

If you tell her you'll cuddle with her, follow it up with some stupid reason to not be able to cuddle with her anyway.


Theres everything that you need here already. One chance is that you meet the boyfriend and befriend him, then make him your beta-male.

Get to know some of her friends and stuff. It helps.


She might be just using you as her emotional drug. If she still continues to not want to move forward with you, you might want to have a word with her about that.

It releases some nervous tension off from you and her, which makes the escalation alot more easier.
Author:  madals [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:16 pm ]
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I did IOD :) dw, i am not a newbie to the game.

And i am not nervous :?
Author:  Lestat [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:16 pm ]
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Sorry, you have a problem with seeing her behind her boyfriends back I assume? The best boyfriend destroyers have her revealing problems with the relationship and you sticking up for her boyfriend a little - not condoning what he does that she has a problem with but suggesting reasons - causing her to defend her views by accentuating his faults furthers, reinforcing in her mind that he isn't the boyfriend you could be.

"I can see why he might be acting like that - if he feels suconsciously that he doesn't deserve you then he'll act that way to try to keep you around,"
"No, no, no - because he always does it and doesn't seem to care that it upsets me,"
"Well I'm assuming that's why he acts like that, I've never really felt the need to do that because I've never felt like I'm losing someone and if I did I'd go about keeping them in a different way but - "
"Yeah but he's doing " whatever.

Personally I don't care if she has a boyfriend. If we're seeing each other and she doesn't want to break up with her boyfriend it just means that most of the relationship stuff that bothers me happens to him and not me. If she does decide she just wants to see me and not him then fine, job done.

But personally I do try not to meet the boyfriend too often because then I might begin to feel bad.
Author:  madals [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:11 pm ]
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I have never met the BF, and never will.
That lestat, i have been doing some of that but i will keep it up :)
Author:  The Big Bad Wolf [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:35 pm ]
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either become her secret lover, that fulfills her every sexual desire, and lets her live out fantasies etc, or use BF-destroyers and go for LTR.

If the boyfriend is an ass, as it seems, use BF-destroyers, help her out. ;P

but then again; you'd have to replace him.


Weigh it up.
Do you want her only as a lover; or do you want her to be "your girl" ?

=P
You know what you want, and you know how to get it, man...
go for it.
Author:  Ezo [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:38 pm ]
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I know exactly what you mean... Normally I dont like to break up couples but I know how hard it can be when you really like a girl...

I would meet her and see where it all leads. Its like an ASD for PUAs. If it happens it happens.

Sometimes it works being the supportive attractive guy (not the shoulder to cry on but the one with the off hand good advice). Do not sound like you talk bad about her BF but focus on how she needs a change in life and... etc etc... Good stuff that she can get from you.
Author:  madals [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:23 pm ]
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Great idea's :) keep em coming :)

Any more specific to how to get the BF out the picture would be great. its a win win, he isnt good enough and she isnt that happy with him and i would quite like her. So its good for both of us.

I can game her easy enough, hell i already have. Its just as soon as I try and push it to a point where it is obvious to her that i am interested sexually (rather than just strong suggestion of it) she pulls out and subtle reminds me of her BF. We have talked about cheating and how we both dont agree with it so just going ahead wont work.

hmmmm, i am in no rush, in a week i will have 40-50 new numbers (college starts) so that can keep me ammused :lol:

Madals
Author:  Ezo [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:06 am ]
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Hey man, this is so much like my situation that I almost think we are gaming the same girl...
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