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Author:  Ka [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  1Up, 1Down, Peer (Theory)
After observeing some things in the last few weeks i have formed a theory about interactionary dynamics and how we contrast status or your level of alphaness compared to someone else. The theory is called "1Up, 1Down, and Peer Theory".

The basic concept behind my theory is that there is a reason in some cases, as to why you either seem to be in a more alpha position then another person, or they more so then you, or in less common instances to be peers (equally alpha). Now this may seem obvious but its really not, alot of people seem confused as to why this one person seems to be so alpha and why they cant compete or why some other person seems so beta compared to themselves.

Now there is a combination of things that can make you alpha, or someone more so then you...but what my theory looks at is direct causes of this.

Ive come up with a simple gradeing system for where you stand with someone.

The 3 aspects;

1Up - What do i mean...when you have a "1Up" on someone you have the upper hand, your in a power position compared to them. If you can grade yourself as a 1Up with someone your the alpha and its obvious. however you may be asking how you got here?

In some cases this can be due to circumstance. Lets say the person had a bad day, a negative interaction before yours, owes you something, works for you, did something wrong, etc.

You have a 1Up on these people because of something outside of how you act with them. Noticing these things will help you setup a alpha frame with them for the long term. Im not saying dig into them because they had a bad day, but maybe give them tough love advice. Or also one thing some people have trouble with, if they did something wrong put them on the spot about it...dont let it slide.

1Down - Alternately to 1Up, "1Down" referres to someone else haveing the upperhand. They have a power over you that is out of your hands.

Good examples of the causes of this can be, you did something wrong, your younger, not as versed in a proffession or hobby, owe them something, had a bad day, had a negative interaction right before, they are your boss, your parents, etc.

These are good examples of how negative circumstances for you are then capitalized on by others to maintain power over your interactions. Obviously your boss is alpha to you, because social structure dictates you do what they say, some people will take advantage of this. A collegue may asert themselves as alpha over you because they feel more experience has entitled them to such. A friend may even take advantage of the fact you had a bad day and arent feeling confident to take the chance to AMOG you.

Peer - This is not as common as its human nature to try and be dominent or submissive, but this is simply when 2 people see each other as equals. They dont fight or struggle for power. This is basically the outcome of a unspoken agreement that they are on a level plain.


As you can see little of the above is really directly in your control or in some cases is there much you can do (your parents wil always be your parents)...however the point of this theory is to be able to capitalize on the 1Up scenarios in a ethical and moral way to establish yourself.

For instance, the difference between how you would use this theory and how someone else would can be seen here...

Someone has a bad day...

Someone else may take this as an oppurtunity to AMOG them, make fun of them, try and get them drunk (putting them in a situation to make them look like an ass), manipulate them etc.

We would use this as an oppurtunity to give them straight up advice, cheer them up, incorporate them into social interactions, etc.

Both ways could make you alpha to that person in the long run, but one way is morally acceptable and the other isnt.

**Note: You can generally tell when someone has the 1Up on you, or had it. If you start to use more common methods for increasing your status and lowering thiers (AMOG/counter AMOG, Negs, story telling etc...) they will try and hold something against you, usually publiclly.

This is where the importance of seeing you 1Up oppurtunities come in handy, because as soon as you take advantage of them you can counteract what they had on you.

Lets say for instance they know something embarassing about you, like a time years ago that you got drunk and made a fool of yourself. Now of course at the time they probably egged your drinking on and encouraged you to either get drunk or do stupid things. Now they can use this against you as leverage.

They may bring this up in front of people when you start to threaten thier status. You can use normal counter AMOG techniques but it will not be as effective as combining these techniques with your own 1Up.

Now lets say that after the event that they are using they had a bad day and you discouraged them from getting trashed, gave them a tough love talk, then brought them out to hang out with some friends and cheer them up.

If you did the above they will be less likely to ever mention the negative period you went through, and if they do using counter AMOG tactics on top of this will help, especially if you can somehow incorprate the two.

In anycase just some ideas.
Author:  The Visionist [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:45 am ]
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Great post. It gets me thinking about the interactions I have with my bosses especially, aswell as parents and relatives.

"Leverage" is one of the most important things in life. It is readily apparent on this forum, with younger AFC members supplicating to experienced PUA members.
Author:  Fin [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:32 pm ]
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Very interesting, however I have come across bosses who technically "hold the power", this however did not raise their social status.

When women saw me and the boss interacting, and him dominating -as he does hold power-, they had no adverse opinion of me becuase of this.

I feel that Alphaness comes on different planes, socially/intellectually/physically/legally etc. We have to work our alpha status that we have built in other areas of our lives, into our social situations in order to improve our status. We need to be able to communicate our value socially.

Power and control doesn't necessarily mean alpha.

If it did then george bush would be the number one pin-up of the past couple of years.

Other than that I agree, alpha status is very much intune with relativity.

Good post. :D
Author:  Ka [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:46 pm ]
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Very interesting, however I have come across bosses who technically "hold the power", this however did not raise their social status.

When women saw me and the boss interacting, and him dominating -as he does hold power-, they had no adverse opinion of me becuase of this.

I feel that Alphaness comes on different planes, socially/intellectually/physically/legally etc. We have to work our alpha status that we have built in other areas of our lives, into our social situations in order to improve our status. We need to be able to communicate our value socially.

Power and control doesn't necessarily mean alpha.

If it did then george bush would be the number one pin-up of the past couple of years.

Other than that I agree, alpha status is very much intune with relativity.

Good post. :D
Im gonna counter that by simply asking...

If your boss was just some guy, would you let him treat you the way he does?

If you have a good boss the answer isnt really relavant, but if your boss is one of those types to "take adavantage" of the scenario, your answer would probably be "no".

What im trying to point out is by noticing in our day to day interactions where the leverage is and if it can be potentially used to our advantage then we can capatalize on it, in addition to using normal methods.

I could care less what people outside the interactions think, although in some cases it may matter. This really pertains to 1 on 1 interactions and how those interactions leave you feeling.
Author:  Fin [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:43 pm ]
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Quote:

Im gonna counter that by simply asking...

If your boss was just some guy, would you let him treat you the way he does?

If you have a good boss the answer isnt really relavant, but if your boss is one of those types to "take adavantage" of the scenario, your answer would probably be "no".

What im trying to point out is by noticing in our day to day interactions where the leverage is and if it can be potentially used to our advantage then we can capatalize on it, in addition to using normal methods.

I could care less what people outside the interactions think, although in some cases it may matter. This really pertains to 1 on 1 interactions and how those interactions leave you feeling.

So is your theory motioning towards a sort of "conversation cencorship", ensuring that your frame stays positive by avoiding degrading or negative social interactions?

Example: by engaging purely with people who can benefit you emotionally.
Author:  Ka [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:22 am ]
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Im gonna counter that by simply asking...

If your boss was just some guy, would you let him treat you the way he does?

If you have a good boss the answer isnt really relavant, but if your boss is one of those types to "take adavantage" of the scenario, your answer would probably be "no".

What im trying to point out is by noticing in our day to day interactions where the leverage is and if it can be potentially used to our advantage then we can capatalize on it, in addition to using normal methods.

I could care less what people outside the interactions think, although in some cases it may matter. This really pertains to 1 on 1 interactions and how those interactions leave you feeling.

So is your theory motioning towards a sort of "conversation cencorship", ensuring that your frame stays positive by avoiding degrading or negative social interactions?

Example: by engaging purely with people who can benefit you emotionally.
I guess the overall message here is that there are some social structures and relationships that inheritlly put you in a beta position and in those cases there is little you can do to counter act that.

However with this theory in mind you will notice situations while they are on the fence and be able to act on them to give you dominant leverage in the future. Or notice events or situations that can weigh the scales more in your favor.

Also that there is a way to do this ethically and a way to do it un-ethically. Your boss overstepping his power over you is not ethical...But helping a friend in an alpha way and if need be bringing that up later is fine. (as examples)

Another good example is lets say you get caught in a lie, thus you become branded a liar because of one instance. Someone regularly digs on you about it even when its not relavant just to keep the upper hand with you. However because you keep this theory in mind you are ready to notice something about them that will help you "turn the tables" on them. Later you catch them lying, you not only call them on it, but then add to this that they are hypocritical. Now they are branded as a liar and a hypocrit, the focus is no longer on you, you have the upper hand with this person. Are you really more dominent then them or more Alpha? maybe, but this leverage you have with them is more powerful then simply gauging personalities.
Author:  Roads [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:25 am ]
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Agreed. Never 1Up your boss, and never be 1Down to the AMOG in a set.
Author:  Fin [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:16 pm ]
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Quote:


I guess the overall message here is that there are some social structures and relationships that inheritlly put you in a beta position and in those cases there is little you can do to counter act that.

However with this theory in mind you will notice situations while they are on the fence and be able to act on them to give you dominant leverage in the future. Or notice events or situations that can weigh the scales more in your favor.

Also that there is a way to do this ethically and a way to do it un-ethically. Your boss overstepping his power over you is not ethical...But helping a friend in an alpha way and if need be bringing that up later is fine. (as examples)

Another good example is lets say you get caught in a lie, thus you become branded a liar because of one instance. Someone regularly digs on you about it even when its not relavant just to keep the upper hand with you. However because you keep this theory in mind you are ready to notice something about them that will help you "turn the tables" on them. Later you catch them lying, you not only call them on it, but then add to this that they are hypocritical. Now they are branded as a liar and a hypocrit, the focus is no longer on you, you have the upper hand with this person. Are you really more dominent then them or more Alpha? maybe, but this leverage you have with them is more powerful then simply gauging personalities.
Ah so it's quickly taking control of a situation and ensuring that in future years you become and remain dominant and are capable of becoming dominant from a submissive position when it suits your needs.

Is that correct?

Also where is that museum of sex sign? It looks fucking hilarious :lol:
Author:  Ka [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:06 pm ]
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I guess the overall message here is that there are some social structures and relationships that inheritlly put you in a beta position and in those cases there is little you can do to counter act that.

However with this theory in mind you will notice situations while they are on the fence and be able to act on them to give you dominant leverage in the future. Or notice events or situations that can weigh the scales more in your favor.

Also that there is a way to do this ethically and a way to do it un-ethically. Your boss overstepping his power over you is not ethical...But helping a friend in an alpha way and if need be bringing that up later is fine. (as examples)

Another good example is lets say you get caught in a lie, thus you become branded a liar because of one instance. Someone regularly digs on you about it even when its not relavant just to keep the upper hand with you. However because you keep this theory in mind you are ready to notice something about them that will help you "turn the tables" on them. Later you catch them lying, you not only call them on it, but then add to this that they are hypocritical. Now they are branded as a liar and a hypocrit, the focus is no longer on you, you have the upper hand with this person. Are you really more dominent then them or more Alpha? maybe, but this leverage you have with them is more powerful then simply gauging personalities.
Ah so it's quickly taking control of a situation and ensuring that in future years you become and remain dominant and are capable of becoming dominant from a submissive position when it suits your needs.

Is that correct?

Also where is that museum of sex sign? It looks fucking hilarious :lol:
In general i guess o, and as for the sign and museum its in NYC
Author:  Zennixx [ Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:59 am ]
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Love the theory. Time was definitely taken into this. I will surely remember about this theory when A situation comes. Much appriciated.

~Zennixx
Author:  ryoandt33333 [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:39 am ]
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THANK YOU guys... i tell you wut... sooo many situations have poped into my head as to how I could have become/ can become better within this subject... this theory and discussion has durrastically changed my thinking already!
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