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Author:  ace_of_spades [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:48 am ]
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Everything about me is a conscious rehearsed invention. Everything I do corresponds to steps in sophisticated models of social dynamics. Everything I say comes out of my mouth with a premeditated well-calculated purpose. I have analyzed and revamped every aspect of my behavior, from the direction in which my feet are pointing, the angle at which I stand when interacting with people to the way I lock eye contact, depending on whether my models compel me to communicate interest, dominance, indifference or disinterest. I know the exact steps and words to evoke any state in others, from sadness through relaxation to intense pleasure. The depth and volume of my voice, pauses, timing, pacing and breathing are dynamically adjusted to a level which is optimal for reaching my goals. I am aware of the intricate workings of human emotional design and frequently exploit them for alternately selfish and altruistic purposes. It has been almost a year since I accidentally touched another human being. Kinesthetic stimulation has become just another tool in my vast arsenal of tools for affecting somebody's emotional state. My outer shell has been crafted to communicate a wide array of qualities I want people to perceive. At any point my facial expression, body posture and clothing have been heedfully selected to serve a purpose. Nothing is ever an accident.

My belief system and filter of the world is one of my own choosing, adapted to the specific tasks I wish to perform. I am able to disect and influence any interaction. At all times, I am aware of the subtlest of subcommunications and I know exactly which of my possible responses will elicit what reaction. Social interaction has now lost all spontaneity. I cannot remember the last time I was genuinely surprised or swept away by anything or anyone. Women have become passive programs whose only purpose is giving me feedback on my performance.

I haven't simply seen what we refer to as 'the matrix' – I see it all the time. I am a deliberate, carefully engineered social robot. And the worst part is, I cannot turn it off.
Author:  Medic [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:19 am ]
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I am a deliberate, carefully engineered social robot.
I'm sorry to hear that, but thanks for the heads up.
Author:  Soma [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:57 am ]
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Seriously? :shock: I think you need a break from all of this to live life in the now. Take a vacation, or party so hard this hardcore social programming melts away, if only for a night.
Author:  Gay [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:23 am ]
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Shame.
Author:  Cloak&Swagger [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:18 am ]
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You do what it takes
Author:  Castnett [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:54 am ]
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I can definitely relate to Ace, but PUA hasn't transformed me into this semi-social robot. OCD has turned me into this person and it has forced me into analyzing really useless, minor details about myself, practically all the time. I have lived with it since I was 5 and I'm now 17. OCD really hasn't been a huge burden on my life; it just causes me to act irrationally and have unusual routines/habits.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:31 am ]
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That's pretty intense Ace, but as most anyone that has been "in the know" for very long can tell you, it can happen. It does happen to most everyone that really dedicates themselves to trying to achieve perfection it seems to me. It's considered by many to be a mark of achievement and success, revered by some from the way I've heard people talk about being able to become desensitized to a lot of stuff.

I've felt a touch of those feelings a couple times, but it was always when I was confused about why I was bothering when I wasn't really sure of my purpose at the time. I've gone out and not been the least bit interested in anything I was doing, but I did it anyways because it was expected and I had become used to it, so I was pretty bored and I realised I was just following the programming. This probably happens to everyone at some point and there's no reason why pickup should be any different than someone that keeps playing golf out of habit even when they really aren't feeling like playing at the moment, or someone that keeps working the same job for years after they realised they absolutely despise the job, because they "have to" in order to make a living.

Take a break man, like Hobbit said, you just have to focus on something else to turn it off. It's like a vacation and you regroup.
Author:  MichaelD [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:54 pm ]
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Should I not find that impressive or something? Cause I think it's awesome.
Author:  Roads [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:28 pm ]
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Oh stop whining. What's wrong with a little premeditation in the game of seduction. At least you're not a social idiot. We all do what we do to attract the opposite sex. When it comes to interpersonal relationships, the only rules we follow are our own. If your moral compass is still pointing north, keep shagging.
Author:  ace_of_spades [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:27 pm ]
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Having all this knowledge does not bother me; this isn't the problem. What does, though, is that in any situation I now know what needs to be done to achieve what result and I feel compelled to always go for attraction. I'll back this up with an example.

I went to a friend's barbecue where my sole purpose was to relax and take a breath. As soon as I saw the first pair of new tits, I knew I could either walk away with her number or not. So what does my robot brain do? Analyzes. 4-set: one pawn, one dude and a HB.

Instantly I knew I had to befriend her guy friend and how to achieve that with military precision: point my feet towards him, lock submissive eyes, calibrate his energy and get into some stupid role play ('we should totally start a clubbing business... I'll be the magician, you'll be the manager and we'll hook up with the hottest chicks in the place'). Then I had to occupy him with another chick to get 1:1 time with the target.

[Ace - to pawn] Hey, tell RandomDude that awesome story about what happened the other day!
[RandomDude] Yeah, go for it, maybe we'll let you get into our super exclusive club if you're cool enough!
[Pawn] <insert random story>

Any time now.... 3, 2, 1, here comes the IOI...

[HB] So... How did you get into magic?

No fireworks here. Traditional M3 #close.

But this isn't even the point. Even with my friends, I think about how I lock eye contact, how I speak and how I pause to deliver a particular story. Everything I say demonstrates value in some way or the other. I can either be the old me - a funny, self-depreciating loser, or a social robot. There's no in-between.

Maybe it's part of the process, maybe that's what finally internalizing all this material should feel like. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of nothing. Have any of you had similar experiences?
Author:  butterfield [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:35 pm ]
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This is something to be proud of, and you have also got to a stage which very few people in society will ever achieve.
Author:  butterfield [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:21 pm ]
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How do you guys get so good at all this social dynamics stuff anyway? is it stuff you have learnt from experience or reading?
Author:  Mr. Amador [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:00 pm ]
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I have felt something similar sometimes.

When a set just blows open with the smallest effort, I feel like stealing. Its like having what you want instantly, not earning it. And it makes getting the girl less enjoyable.

Initially I loved getting validation from people, I got addicted to it.

But when getting validation got easier, people became puppets in my command. I closed girls with the same old crap, and it stopped being funny.

When I told to myself :"Dude, this isn't funny anymore" I found the answer.

If it isn't funny anymore, you have to find what was the things that used to make PU funny. Cause just having power is fun for a while, but on the long run is not.

I found out that I liked new experiences and connections with people. And just gaming them didn't gave me that.

So I started hearing what people told me, not just thinking "Is this an IOI?" or "Its a good time for Isolation?".

Now I enjoy interactions, people is interesting when you take enough time to listen them. I learn from them, they learn from me. It works both ways, I'm not just spitting game to get a chick.

Dont lose focus of the things that are important to you. PU is just a tool and not the goal.
Author:  Roads [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:27 pm ]
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Well you could embark on the great experiment that I've undertaken: total spontaneity and unpredictability in sets.

Now I've got nothing to lose in case I blow the set so this may not be for you if you want to get laid right away.

But basically, sometime ago I felt the pull of my inner social robot and didn't care too much for it. So instead of always calibrating to the girl and saying things I know will work and elicit values and isolate and etc. etc., I just do what I want and say what I feel like. Experiment: see exactly what types of reactions you get from different combinations of words and body language. You'll be surprised what people will let you get away with. It's fun, energetic, unpredictable, and totally inappropriate at times. Of course you'll have to rein it in a little to avoid becoming a jackass, but give it a try and see if you like it.
Author:  Waffle [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:24 pm ]
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When I first read your post at the top... I actually read it in a robot voice in my head. lol Look, just count yourself luck that you realise what you are doing and can make it work conciously. I have no fucking clue whats going on when I do well. You're a self aware robot while I'm on autopilot with the pilot taking a damn nap. You are very fortunate to be able to do what you do. Try challanging yourself to do things bigger and go for better. You might have just lost the fun of it.
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