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Author:  ace_of_spades [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:37 am ]
Post subject:  The mindset of a master PUA
In my time in this community, I've gotten to know a fair number of women. I've also met an incomprehensibly large number of aspiring pickup artists – I've discovered old friends who were 'into this', met wingmen on the internet and accidentally recognized a myriad of odd-dressed guys in various bars, who always responded with a conspirational smile to my question 'does the name Mystery mean anything to you?'.

For any guy who was respectably good at the Game I've briefly met a dozen who never got anywhere. Since I started teaching beginners, I have put a lot of thought into what differentiates the successful pickup artist from those who never leave rAFC-land. A brilliant post by Amano Jack (http://amanojack.your-japan.com/post/22/434) pushed me the right direction, but I wanted a real specific answer. If I only had five minutes to explain to someone what I think is the key determinant of success, I wouldn't want to say 'inner game' and let them figure out the rest on their own. Undisputably, all the amazing pickup artists I've met had a strong sense of their reality and knew that they alone defined it – but how did they get there?

In anything you pursue, it's key to first set yourself a target. Second – recognize the means that will get you there in the shortest amount of time. But the third piece - answering the question of 'What is it that drives me? What is my motor for action?' - gets overlooked by 99% of the population.

Frankly – in the very beginning – most of us have the same motivation for mastering pickup: frustration. We are (or in some cases, were) called Average Frustrated Chumps for a reason. Not always, but very often, the beginner simply seeks validation. He's not had that much success in the past and has to prove to himself that things can change. This frustration isn't necessarily bad – after all, it helped the guy discover this community – but most guys driven by frustration alone tend to focus on what the successful members of the community deem irrelevant: the openers, killer routines, DHV stories memorized word-for-word. Those help, but any PUA worth his salt will tell you that this is only the tip of the iceberg. In case you haven't already, I urge you to read Amano Jack's post again.

So a lot of guys get into the community seeking validation – they want other people to think they are 'the shit' when it comes to dating. This can be displayed in giving unsolicited dating advice to non-community members, spending more time on the forums to get approval from other members, spicing up the details of a field report, bragging about 'perfect sets' to their wings which they 'decided not to close' for whatever reason – the list goes on. And in case you're wondering, yes, I am guilty of ALL of the above.

But the validation-fuelled rAFC rarely becomes good enough to claim the status of a true PUA. The mindset just isn't there. The focus is not where it should be. So to give you my take on the problem, I'll need to answer two seemingly unrelated questions.

First – why does pickup work? Why do we use push-pull, hoops, kino escalation, NLP, value demonstrations, qualification, negs, C&F, conspiracies, role-plays, microloops, freeze-outs or my personal favorite 'the caveman'?

Because women enjoy it. That's what lies at the very core of pickup. We are not manipulating herds of women into our bedrooms. We give them the memories that they will cherish forever, memories which make them crave more of what we provide, memories which will keep them coming back for more.

Which pretty much gives away the answer to the second question – if a photographer takes pictures and a musician makes songs, what does a pickup artist create?

He creates an experience. Every sarge is an incredible journey for the woman. To quote Mystery, 'it is a privilege to be sarged by a true pickup artist'. Damn straight, gentlemen, because she will have never experienced what you are training to give her. Her memories are your art.

This brings me to the fuel of a successful pickup artist. He does not go out to score, get lays or validation from his wingmen. He goes out and day by day, set by set, gives women incredible experiences. In this, he strives for perfection – not just for his, but for her enjoyment.

The successful PUA aims to get an understanding of the woman's psyche not in an attempt to manipulate her, but to determine which tool in his vast arsenal will give her an even better experience. Imagine – there exists a secret community of hundreds of thousands of men, dedicated solely to giving women the romantic fantasy they thought only happened on the silver screen.

So the successful guy is driven by the desire to create a once-in-a-lifetime memory just for her. It is a drive which is never satiated, a drive which does not allow him to quit, a drive that continuously demands improvement. Exactly the kind of drive you need to become good at anything. This has been repeatedly hammered into your head, but I hope that now you have a better grasp of what specifically I mean when I say that the successful guy is a VALUE GIVER.

And the value giver that I am, I will point you to a great resource I stumbled upon completely by accident. There's plenty of material on attraction and comfort building, but the techniques used in the final stage (often called 'seduction') are omitted in virtually every method I am familiar with. What do you do once in bed? It probably seems odd to seek the answer in a 'phone sex manual' by David Shade.

Apparently some guys are naturals at stacking and extending orgasms and even creating them by a simple command. I'm not. But this shit is learnable, and so far the ability to make the woman unable to walk after I'm done has been the greatest tool in my arsenal of routines, and nothing boosts your confidence more than knowing that you are in the chosen 1% of men who are able to maintain a woman's orgasm for as long as they please.

All this is what brings me to this day, when I officially consider myself a pickup artist. I am able to create an amazing experience for any woman I meet. That doesn't mean I don't ever crash and burn – I do. But now the tables have turned, and it's the girl who's missing out on something incredible. Not me.

Thank you to everyone who has helped me get here – the list is too long to write out here, but you all know who you are.
Author:  Bidyah [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:29 am ]
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Awesome post. I really liked the part on creating memories. I can identify with that. ;)

peace
Author:  Love John [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:01 am ]
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wow, that was awesome. i'm just starting out and it's really making me think of what i'm doing. basically what i got from this is it's about her and making her dream of spontaneous romance a reality and not a dream. really, of course for PUA's, AFC's, and naturals, it's really all about how she feels and what she gets out of it. 2 of those i mentioned are better than the other one, and those two usually do well.

but it makes me happy to know that any mPUA can out-game any natural...

but very good post, it really makes me think.
Author:  SparkPUA [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The mindset of a master PUA
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And the value giver that I am, I will point you to a great resource I stumbled upon completely by accident. There's plenty of material on attraction and comfort building, but the techniques used in the final stage (often called 'seduction') are omitted in virtually every method I am familiar with. What do you do once in bed? It probably seems odd to seek the answer in a 'phone sex manual' by David Shade.

Apparently some guys are naturals at stacking and extending orgasms and even creating them by a simple command. I'm not. But this shit is learnable, and so far the ability to make the woman unable to walk after I'm done has been the greatest tool in my arsenal of routines, and nothing boosts your confidence more than knowing that you are in the chosen 1% of men who are able to maintain a woman's orgasm for as long as they please.
The rest of your post was excellent,
A quick question about this: where did you find out how to be in the 1%?
Author:  ace_of_spades [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:15 pm ]
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I gave you the answer in the paragraph above: David Shade. He's got amazing books, but what helped me most was his phone sex manual. You actually get to hear him demonstrate his hypnotic skills on actual women. Afterwards, all you gotta do is practice - if you have the balls to say what he says, the results come really fucking fast.

Needless to say, the experience that stacked or extended orgasms create for her truly is a once-in-a-lifetime memory. Not to mention orgasms on command, but I'm not there... yet :twisted:
Author:  Senpai [ Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:14 am ]
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One of the best posts I have ever read on the subject... and it addresses an oft-not-covered point:

Like martial arts, there will be many who enter PUA. But how many will get that black belt? How many will achieve mastery or at least a respectable level? I'd love to see some quantitative data on the ratio of PUA success stories to guys that never leave AFC land. 25 to 1 might be a little too pessimistic, I'd peg it at 12 or 15 to 1, but still the odds are pretty brutal.

But I don't think this is something unique to PUA, it is universal to life. No matter what the task is, there are people who have the determination and work ethic to achieve their goals, and then there are people who are afraid and lack commitment and discipline.
Author:  Kustom [ Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:58 am ]
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Thats a great way to put things in perspective. Thanks man! :D
Author:  ace_of_spades [ Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:01 pm ]
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I'd peg it at 12 or 15 to 1, but still the odds are pretty brutal.
Yes, they are brutal; but the good news is, the 12 guys are those who give up. I was scheduled to meet 3 students in Poland yesterday, only one showed up - the others lacked commitment and drive. Unless that changes, I give them little hope. As long as the chosen one keeps on practising, he'll go far.

The point I was trying to make is that if you decide exactly why you're doing what you're doing and you pick the right fuel, you will achieve your goal. No matter where you start.

And yeah, this isn't pickup-specific. It's like that with anything you pursue - a blackbelt in martial arts, computer programming, university degrees, weight-loss programs, whatever.

Just my point of view.
Author:  Jay Wa [ Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:54 pm ]
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First – why does pickup work? Why do we use push-pull, hoops, kino escalation, NLP, value demonstrations, qualification, negs, C&F, conspiracies, role-plays, microloops, freeze-outs or my personal favorite 'the caveman'?
Because confusion is attractive. What lies as the fundamental economic theory of supply and demand-- we all want what we cant have.
Author:  punkstar [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:30 am ]
Post subject:  AWESoME
Inspiring!, I really need help with my inner game and this seems to set my base
Author:  Bidyah [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:06 am ]
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You really think David Shade's stuff is good, and it helps? I find him rather creepy, and hard to listen to. At least at the Cliff convention.

Thanks, for the tip anyway, I will check it out. :)
Author:  PolishFalcon [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:30 pm ]
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I just loved the bit about "artist creating memories".

And guys, stay tuned for Ace's Poland Field Report No 2 - because during last days we've sarged the hell out of this city!
Author:  Lucius [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:38 pm ]
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tak trzymac ziomy :P
Author:  GodSent [ Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:42 pm ]
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Awsome post! The Amano Jack blogpost totally re-lined my entire perspective on the game.
Author:  karlostm [ Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:24 pm ]
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David Shade is money. I started using his techniques on my last girlfriend. She had never had a vaginal orgasm. It wasn't long before she was addicted to the experiences I gave her, and after we split up she has come back to me twice for more, with no initiation on my part.

When you can make a girl come without even touching her, that's gold.

I've done it once, but I'm not stopping there... :twisted:
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