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Author:  Naked watchmaker [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:53 pm ]
Post subject:  I'm a social imbecile. How do I treat it?

I joined a theatre group. One girl showed particular interest in me. I felt it. Rational example would be :we were doing this exercise where you randomly pass a ball to one of your colleagues, and she would constantly pass it to me. After the repetition ended, suddenly we were just together (I don't know how it happened- we just subconsciously hooked up and walked away - mother nature was taking it's natural course.). We were near the entrance.Rndomly talking. She unlocked her bike, pulled out a cigarette(as a nonsmoker this confused me a little). She was obviously ready to talk. However I became very conscious of the situation. I felt insecure, was afraid to talk to her, so I said, "I got to go".
HB9:
Em...
Well...
Ok

Grr...I felt bad walking out of there.
And this happens all the time with me. I naturally start hooking up with a girl (no PUA)but at some point of interaction I become very conscious and block it.

Author:  Papi Lindo [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:01 pm ]
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Honestly, the only cure is more practice. You will unlikely become accustomed to a situation unless you break through your personal perception of awkwardness.

Just stick through the interaction and push forward. You will feel horrible the first time and you'll likely think everything was a big mess up. However, the more often that you perform the exercise the easier and more familiar the situation becomes until it no longer is a big deal. At that point you'll start worrying about the next escalation point.

Author:  c_n12 [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:09 pm ]
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Sounds like you are TRYING to get her to like you and forcing it. Women are attracted to men who are natural and confident and a successful approach or conversation stems from that.

You are focusing too much on calculating moves and becoming anxious. You need to eliminate that stress by simply focusing on yourself and moving the interaction forward. Look around and you'll see that the guys still struggling with this stuff are the ones that are too concerned about women's perceptions of them.

I don't care what method or lines a guy uses. The only way that I've seen success with women is when guys stop caring so much about what to say or do to get women to like them. If a guy reaches this point, where a woman's opinion of him is unimportant, then he can open and move forward successfully. This is why it matters fuck all how you open or what you say.

What counts is that you want her and she can see in you a guy who will rock her world. This is why opinion openers and all of that crap will work, but it works if and only if you reach a point where you're not scared of women.

- Chris 8)

Author:  Naked watchmaker [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:10 pm ]
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Honestly, the only cure is more practice. You will unlikely become accustomed to a situation unless you break through your personal perception of awkwardness.

Just stick through the interaction and push forward. You will feel horrible the first time and you'll likely think everything was a big mess up. However, the more often that you perform the exercise the easier and more familiar the situation becomes until it no longer is a big deal. At that point you'll start worrying about the next escalation point.
I'm confused. As she is already showing attraction, should I skip the attraction faze and go building comfort with her?

Author:  Fin [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:13 pm ]
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Exactly what chris said.

Ease up... and just get used to being at home with different people.

Author:  c_n12 [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:16 pm ]
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I'm confused. As she is already showing attraction, should I skip the attraction faze and go building comfort with her?
You've got a girl interested in you; stop worrying about strategically doing everything right. You already have value in her eyes. Just get your ass in there and talk to her like you would anyone else. Start wherever the hell you want and move forward or back as needed; make it about where you and her feel comfortable.

- Chris 8)

Author:  chi [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:41 pm ]
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Oooh that sucks man. She was unhooking the bike so she would have left in a bit anyway, there was no need for you to end it like that...whatever no worries you will see her at the next theater meeting thing right?

I'm shy too...here are 2 things that happened in my life that made me less shy. try having these experiences and see what they do for you.

1- go dancing a few times - After you have made a complete fool of yourself feeling up girls on the dance floor with loud music and flashing lights, talking will feel relatively easy.

2- Go traveling and meet women - since you will never see them again, it doesn't matter what you say to them. You can break your personal bounderies that way.

Other tips-
I've always done these since childhood, but I sometimes stop doing them or see other people not doing them and so I know how awkward they make things.
Apprecciate silence. I'm a quiet guy, so my conversations tend to have long gaps. DON'T fidgit and try to keep a conversation going, just be as relaxed and yourself as possible, and convey with touching and body language and eyes how you are sharing a peaceful, quiet moment with whoever it is. This works especially well if you are walking together in nice weather. If something comes to your mind NATURALLY then say it.
Don't do that if the other person is a nervous and fidgity type though - you will make them nervous.

For people like us the "game" is more about manipulating yourself then manupilating the girl, because we give off such a deep, down to earth, honest vibe, in sharp contrast with cocky bastards, that no woman will really say no. We are the "real men".

Author:  chi [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:38 am ]
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oh im sorry I got caught up in writing about what a graet guy I am that I forgot about you and your specific case with this girl :oops:

Last post still applies tho. As you said yourself the problem is with you being concious, so work on eliminating that ok?

OK so the question is, what do you think she liked about you, before you flaked? How were you being during the moments of attraction? Were you the obvious center of the group, or the guy who just stood out for her just because? And during the awkward parting, was it just harmlessly awkward or did you feel your value lesson?

Awkwardness doesn't have to be bad, in fact it can let her know you want her. Remember, she took interest first - good sign. Many women are willing to take a little initiative with a cute quiet guy with a crush, but you have to respond next time.

OK I see you have the whole "natural attraction" thing going - so don't force it and make it a formal attraction. If your gonna ask for her number, you can't be fromal and awkward about it, you need to be completely yourself the whole time.

OK, lets assume you go back there, and she isn't ignoring you. During class, look at her often and note it if she looks back. If you sit or stand next to her, sit/stand a little close, and if she touches you more than once with any body part and does not pull away, let all doubts vanish because there is no way it was an accident.

Now you know she takes a BIKE home, right? Ask her if she bikes everyday. Try (not too hard don't be obvious) to find out whether its because she likes biking or because she has no car. Now, if you have a car, offer to give her a ride to the class tomorrow (not today cuz she needs to take her bike home, unless it fits in your car). Now you will need her adress and phone number :D

Or if you both take your bikes there (how old are you two btw? If this is after school or something you should mention it, that changes everything...and tell her stop smoking lol. From what you wrote I'm gonna guess your both in college) bike her home, and ask her if she wants to bike w. you next time, or bike race, or whatever depending on circumstances and distance and what kinda hood you live in. Number and address!

Now, it is also important to make freinds with the OTHER PEOPLE in your class. It will give you common freinds. At some point, AFTER you have driven/biked her home, or had some other freindly contact that seperates you and her from the others, suggest that you all go out to eat somewhere nearby. Then you get to walk there with her walking next to you! Preferably real close and rubbing shoulders. And as you have common freinds you have stuff to talk about. Because now, as stuff happens between you and some other person she knows when you aren't around, you can txt her about it! Little things like "me and david r @ stonecold, wana cum?" (I guess Biking = same hood right?) The advantage of texts are that since you can only have around 3 sentences at a time, the conversation lasts for days and can change naturally at the drop of a hat. After this, if your good on the phone (guessing you aren't) call and chat her up, otherwise send more personal text discussions. Have little get togethers and invite her. If you are relatively young then in 4-9 days or so you can just call and be like "im soo bored what r u doing can I come over" or "Wanna come over and watch ... with me?" every few days and see where it goes. Sit real close on sofa, start kissing maybe around 3rd visit, depending how u think she was raised or whatever is normal for your community, and you know what you want to do soon after...

K im gonna stop now because you need to tell me more about you and her before you get any useful advise. Look I've planned all that out for you on the basis of a bike, and it is probably all wrong because I know nothing about you. I don't understand why people here think generic advice works for people - anyway you get the takeaway message. Work on the shyness, but don't lose the natural approach.

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