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Author:  Fiction dTAJIr8v [ Sat May 24, 2008 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Strong, silent...alpha?
It seems like all of the people depicted as the most successful PUAs are the fun, talkative, outgoing, center of attention, life of the party types. They might have different styles regarding this--some are entertainers, some are jocks, some are playboys--but they are all depicted essentially as extraverts.

but where are the strong, silent alpha males? The ones that tend to be quiet at the party, sipping his drink, yet radiate strength, power, and wordless confidence? The man that doesn't say much and doesn't say it loudly, but when he does speak all the listeners are instantly riveted to what he says, because it always carries a power with it, and is sure it be important. A man who rarely smiles with his mouth, but if the woman looks carefully, she can see an ocean of emotion in his eyes.

This is undeniably a fantasy of women as well--so I wonder why it is not emphasized and why it doesn't seem to fit in at all with the methods developed by various people. This figure plays to an essential draw of the female psyche--mystery. This guy clearly has something hiding under there, but what is it? Will she ever know?

I'd like to know what people have to think of the fact that PUA systems tend to neglect this role in favor of more brash obviously colorful characters, and if this personality could be successfully integrated into a method, does it need to follow principles of its own, or is this an image that is simply propogated culturally, but is practically ineffective in wooing women.
Author:  Jinghuan [ Sat May 24, 2008 12:09 pm ]
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how to show your personality, and cham women with it. do there any priciple to follow? I hoping to know.

and do we need to think about how to open a conversation...
Author:  Ghulias [ Sat May 24, 2008 3:18 pm ]
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This is an interesting article about the subject.
Author:  MSmith19 [ Sat May 24, 2008 3:30 pm ]
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This is kind of like my personality. I try to become more social, but generally I speak when I feel engaged but there are other things that make me one of the more alpha males at my school. Confidence, size, strength, mystery, etc. Sometimes the guys that seem alpha and are the social butterflies are actually quite insecure but come across to many as confident. Women can subconsciously sense 'real confidence,' or so I think.
Author:  Introvert [ Sat May 24, 2008 5:32 pm ]
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I've definitely seen this. Needs extreme inner game, and as far as I've seen no one has really cracked the code to the quiet alpha as they have to the extroverted alpha.

Usually the quiet alpha like described in your post is just a story concept.
Author:  spooon [ Sat May 24, 2008 6:40 pm ]
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Totally relate to this. Sadly, the quiet alpha needs more time to be discovered by women. Often we don't have that time. I'm trying to adapt my game from quite alpha to regular PUA and finding the transition tough. It's like neither here nor there.
Author:  santos_br [ Sat May 24, 2008 6:45 pm ]
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I think everything has it's place ;)

When I'm in social gatherings I'm the extrovert alpha male. Come on, I don't have 2 weeks to get noticed by women so I better have fun and show people how exciting it is to be with me. It works wonders and we end up having a great time together. Sometimes I'm afraid I come across as overconfident and this harms some insecure people around me..I'm trying to become less agressive.

BUT

There are some ocasions when I already have a Alpha male on the group and I don't want to AMOG him just because I don't feel like doing so, I get quiet but still with the alpha male body language. This guy normaly speaks fast and a LOT so his words loose value. So what do I do? When it's my time to talk, I use very few words full of mystery and trust me, everyone shuts up to listen to every bit of word I have to say.

You have to learn how to be both of them!

We are pick up artists or aspiring pick up artists. No matter what, we must improve and always be ahead ;)
Author:  slyder2412 [ Sat May 24, 2008 10:28 pm ]
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Defiantly an interesting question...one that i've thought about a lot. As stated...the PUA is always depicted as the social butterfly who can't get enough of talking/cracking jokes/laughing/smiling.etc. This is probably why a lot of people (me included) sometimes try TOO hard to be witty/humorous that sooner or later you say something that just didn't make sense or was lame.

To be honest...i don't always want to be talking and having to control the frame of a conversation. For the past couple months i've taken it as my JOB to keep a conversation going and always be the one directing questions so it never stalls. Sometimes in my head i just wanna say "fuck it....if you guys can't have any experiences/opinions and wanna sit there with your zombie like mind, then enjoy the silence while i'm enjoying my own thoughts".

Maybe it's me thinking this(when i'm in the certain state of mind) but i feel just as humans like to be happy, smiling, having fun...i feel that i also don't mind simply observing people, isolating myself and not being around others that will NEED me to make sure conversation doesn't seem pitiful.

Anyone get me on that?
Author:  santos_br [ Sat May 24, 2008 10:44 pm ]
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Defiantly an interesting question...one that i've thought about a lot. As stated...the PUA is always depicted as the social butterfly who can't get enough of talking/cracking jokes/laughing/smiling.etc. This is probably why a lot of people (me included) sometimes try TOO hard to be witty/humorous that sooner or later you say something that just didn't make sense or was lame.

To be honest...i don't always want to be talking and having to control the frame of a conversation. For the past couple months i've taken it as my JOB to keep a conversation going and always be the one directing questions so it never stalls. Sometimes in my head i just wanna say "fuck it....if you guys can't have any experiences/opinions and wanna sit there with your zombie like mind, then enjoy the silence while i'm enjoying my own thoughts".

Maybe it's me thinking this(when i'm in the certain state of mind) but i feel just as humans like to be happy, smiling, having fun...i feel that i also don't mind simply observing people, isolating myself and not being around others that will NEED me to make sure conversation doesn't seem pitiful.

Anyone get me on that?
I do..

I pretty much know what is the "fuck it....if you guys can't have any experiences/opinions and wanna sit there with your zombie like mind, then enjoy the silence while i'm enjoying my own thoughts".

I have to say I prefer observing people and diving into my own thoughts which sometimes are far more interesting than a conversation with an HB500 :roll:

As I said, we need to find the right time to be the talkative alpha male or the strong, silent one..

Come on, our words are valuable... talk to those who really dig into the conversation
Author:  Icepick [ Mon May 26, 2008 7:31 pm ]
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I kinda keep to myself when around people i dont know and i naturally ignore girls i dont know and am kinda quiet at those times which builds their attraction towards me very well. I wouldnt say that I play the strong silent card but its similar. I play the Im not interested but I will still be nice to you card. Woman tend to love this shit. Ive been doing it a lot lately and it works like a charm. I use a lot of disinterested body language and back turns and shit like that.
Author:  aussie_bloke_1986 [ Tue May 27, 2008 2:04 am ]
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When I go out im normally quiet get my drink, stand with my mates or sit, have a chat check out the girls etc..

But since reading The Game and also being with a online PUA community I have learned heaps, if You wanted to stand there and not do much you will still need to attract the girl, even if your not jumping around etc..

If I was you I would walk into a club or pub with a smile, try to joke with ur mates when u come in or something so when the girls see you there 1st impression is "gee he looks nice" even if your standing there talking if your smiling girls will love it.. smiling works like a CHARM! I couldnt beleive it, yesterday I went out with a mate for some drinks and I though lets go out and be happy and smile, the amount of smiles I got back and waves from other girls it was bullshit. that what 1 little smile can do, then once you open your mouth to them and lay some nice lines down and start talking BAM ur in to easy!
Author:  Cloak&Swagger [ Tue May 27, 2008 9:38 pm ]
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Hope I don't step on any toes here but I don't think they exist, not that I've ever seen. Now, I've seen very attractive, masculine guys who can be quiet and still pick up chicks, but that's because they're flying on looks alone.

Think about it, the girls want the stereotype to exist because it's the sort of stuff out of romance novels. Guys want it to exist because it's easier to sit on the couch and not talk to anyone than it is to be alpha and get girls.

Nothing worth having comes easy, and being alpha takes practice. The quiet, mysterious guy is a fantasy for both sexes but in reality it's going to be creepy.
Author:  waddo10 [ Wed May 28, 2008 9:47 am ]
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If you are the strong silent type, then you basically say everything by your body language. Get hold of pick up 101 - body language.
Author:  Naked watchmaker [ Fri May 30, 2008 10:01 pm ]
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Ok, let's face it Extroversion = social intuition. Social intuition is a huge DHV for women, as they are...very social beings.
Quiet alfa is an illusions. He really can be very attractive...but it's a temporary thing, an impression, comes and goes...In the long run it's not attractive to have a man, you has a hard time expresing himself.
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