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Author:  bigtunaag [ Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

I used to be a PUA. I fell in love and got married and have kids now.
I love my wife, a lot, and my kids.
But I also understand my biology and evolutionary desires (I understand that we are wired to co-populate w several different women) and I also want to enjoy other women and other connections (males are natural polygamist, females crave monogamy)

I really do love my wife, and really would want to stay w her if she were open to me being w other girls. But that is absolutely not an option, the mere hint of the subject gets her very upset, and that's the last thing I want (i love her that much). But I know I would be perfectly fine without being married.

Are there any former (or current) pua's out there who share this experience? What did you do to cope/ solve?

Fact is, i'd be perfectly happy living somewhere else and still being a part of her life. I love my kids to death, there's no way I could live without them. I just want more women (this will not go away). I know that more women would benefit from having me in their life, and it would make me so happy to be able to continue to pursue those women and (briefly) give them the man they deserve.

I don't want to cheat, I am a bad liar, and it would crush her and make her bitter and strain the relationship w my kids and her, and I really don't want her to feel anger or resentment towards me, she's awesome. But I know I still have another 10-15 years before my biology slows down and these feelings start to temper.

Has anyone gone through this or is going through this (or something similar)??

I want my old life (pua) to combine with my new life, and I understand I didn't set the correct frame w my wife from the start and cannot change it now.

Author:  skills360 [ Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

Quote:
I used to be a PUA. I fell in love and got married and have kids now.
I love my wife, a lot, and my kids.
But I also understand my biology and evolutionary desires (I understand that we are wired to co-populate w several different women) and I also want to enjoy other women and other connections (males are natural polygamist, females crave monogamy)

I really do love my wife, and really would want to stay w her if she were open to me being w other girls. But that is absolutely not an option, the mere hint of the subject gets her very upset, and that's the last thing I want (i love her that much). But I know I would be perfectly fine without being married.

Are there any former (or current) pua's out there who share this experience? What did you do to cope/ solve?

Fact is, i'd be perfectly happy living somewhere else and still being a part of her life. I love my kids to death, there's no way I could live without them. I just want more women (this will not go away). I know that more women would benefit from having me in their life, and it would make me so happy to be able to continue to pursue those women and (briefly) give them the man they deserve.

I don't want to cheat, I am a bad liar, and it would crush her and make her bitter and strain the relationship w my kids and her, and I really don't want her to feel anger or resentment towards me, she's awesome. But I know I still have another 10-15 years before my biology slows down and these feelings start to temper.

Has anyone gone through this or is going through this (or something similar)??

I want my old life (pua) to combine with my new life, and I understand I didn't set the correct frame w my wife from the start and cannot change it now.

You may need to go poly, which is gonna be hard, or discreet cheating(but eventually you will get caught)... www.blackdragonblog.com

Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

If I was you, I'd just cheat as discretely as possible, and if she finds out you might be surprised that she is actually willing to compromise. If you're giving her what she needs she's unlikely to leave even if you are cheating, chicks tend to "expect" men to cheat anyway.

The other way you could do it is just flat out say what you need, and say you are going to do it no matter what. She will flip-out big time at first but again, eventually may be willing to compromise.

If you fuck her good and are the man she needs, doubt she'll leave.

Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

Well, you've got a few options...

1. Keep things exactly the way they are. Always be stuck wondering if you reached your absolute max potential with your sex life.

2. Cheat. Just be smart about it and you won't get caught... I've gotten really sloppy with it at times and almost got caught so make sure you cover your tracks.

3. Tell your wife that you are going to have sex with other women. Maybe you could involve her in it and see if she wants to explore with other women too. You're married. You really should respect her feelings ;)

I'm not really sure what you're looking for with this post... Nobody can tell you what to do. It's really up to you bro.

Author:  bigtunaag [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

Thanks guys for the responses and suggestions, I appreciate them and definitely have considered some of these options.

The only issues I've encountered with my options are that even though I want to cheat and explore other women, i just can't do it with a clear conscience, and since my wife is so keen to my non-verbal, she will know something is up and it will just make things worse (as something similar has happened in the past). in addition to that, my own personal philosophies prevent me from being to be that dishonest with her. I believe in connections (in fact i want many with several women, which is my problem) but staying to true to that connection requires honesty (in my belief system) compromising that honesty compromises connection, which in turn defeats the purpose of one of my life goals: undisputed connection. i'd then be living a contradiction to myself and this is something I know I am not strong enough to brush aside.

(i know im getting deep, but i want to share in the event someone else is going through something similar)

I strongly believe in the evolution of man and in our part to make future generations better, so i'd rather tackle these issues than just keep things status quo and not evolving in the situation, which i could be semi-satisfied with, but i'd rather grow than not addressing it at all

the third option, which would be amazing for me!, but is not possible is that I could go poly and try to introduce her to the world.
a couple of problems here:
-i did not introduce this concept early enough, it was not understood by her that I am this way (i covered it up at first); so learn your lesson men, make sure these women know a mono life is not for you (if it isn't) and be true to yourself rather than mimicking what she wants
- the topic has been brought up (in a much lighter context) previously, and there is absolutely NO WAY she could do something like this. she's a 9-10 and as many of you know, these are the most insecure women (hands down) her knowing i was fucking other women would destroy her and would lead to the demise of our family and it would make her bitter which would make my life hell since we are married (ie: divorce, child support, her moving back to NY, etc) but that's just my situation...

I did find a decent solution from someone who private messaged me:

He suggested reading the book "Attached" by Amir Levine.
This book has offered crucial insight to how we handle relationships and prospects of relationships.
Quick summary:
You are either:
anxious- always worrying about relationship, concerned w worst case scenarios, jump to conclusions etc. (most hot women)
avoidant- know there's something better out there, remember how great past exes are/were, quick to leave relationship, committaphobes, jet before it gets too serious, etc (this is me)
secure- comfortable in relationships, handle others insecurities well, "team" person ready to put other needs ahead or even with your own
the book discusses these types and solutions for how to deal w each type (quick read, easy to read, interesting the entire time)

My advice to anyone is to read this book. if you are a pua this is something that you can benefit from greatly because you can quickly identify how your girls are and use the information to best benefit your situation (you could use it for manipulation, or it's intent: more meaningful relationships)


Thank you again to the guys who replied, I really do appreciate it sincerely

Have fun out there

Author:  TheFury [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

Quote:
I used to be a PUA. I fell in love and got married and have kids now.
I love my wife, a lot, and my kids.
But I also understand my biology and evolutionary desires (I understand that we are wired to co-populate w several different women) and I also want to enjoy other women and other connections (males are natural polygamist, females crave monogamy)

I really do love my wife, and really would want to stay w her if she were open to me being w other girls. But that is absolutely not an option, the mere hint of the subject gets her very upset, and that's the last thing I want (i love her that much). But I know I would be perfectly fine without being married.

Are there any former (or current) pua's out there who share this experience? What did you do to cope/ solve?

Fact is, i'd be perfectly happy living somewhere else and still being a part of her life. I love my kids to death, there's no way I could live without them. I just want more women (this will not go away). I know that more women would benefit from having me in their life, and it would make me so happy to be able to continue to pursue those women and (briefly) give them the man they deserve.

I don't want to cheat, I am a bad liar, and it would crush her and make her bitter and strain the relationship w my kids and her, and I really don't want her to feel anger or resentment towards me, she's awesome. But I know I still have another 10-15 years before my biology slows down and these feelings start to temper.

Has anyone gone through this or is going through this (or something similar)??

I want my old life (pua) to combine with my new life, and I understand I didn't set the correct frame w my wife from the start and cannot change it now.
Since she will not be ok with any form of you hooking up with other women, honestly, your best option is just to cheat and hope you don't get caught. I know that sounds weird, but it really is the best option.

Author:  skills360 [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

You can bring the idea of swingclubs, a high class one is basically a regular club, but in the back you got a go with a towel, you can let people soft touch her, and you get bjs, and stuff like that...

early frame was not there, is gonna be hard to turn her poly.

Author:  Ardour [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Former/ Current PUA Now Married with kids

IMO you should look at your motivation behind why you want other women.

Is it your evolutionary desire to father children with multiple partners thus creating a healthy gene pool?
Is your sex life not varied enough that you feel you need other women to be satisfied?
Do you feel like pick up was such a big part of your life that now you're married you've lost part of yourself?

Once you've evaluated that, if the outcome is that your desires cannot be satisfied solely by your wife, and as cheating is obviously not an option - it never should be, your only option is to persuade her to swing. How would you feel knowing that Brian was nailing your wife? What about being involved in MMF? You have to be willing to let her get adventurous too.

Then you sit her down and present a mature and sound argument explaining your reasons why you want to sleep with other women.

The most important thing to do is understand your own motivation first.

You may even discover that your desires can be solved by your wife.

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