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Author:  Tr@veler [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:38 am ]
Post subject:  Your shirt comes off first, her shirt comes off second
"Your shirt first, her shirt second" is basically just another way of saying you LEAD. However most guys don't even really know what it is to truly lead. The idea of leading not only in where you are going but leading in every single aspect of the way came to me after reflecting on a few times when I had a girl in my bed and we were "stuck" at the part where we take our clothes off. You go for her shirt, she pulls it back down, you go for it again, she pulls it back down.

What to do? Take off your own shirt and she will follow. Easy.

Now this also applies to pretty much everything in game. The law of state transference, what RSD calls it, or "she feels what you feel" is exactly this. If you LEAD with you feeling sexual right off the bat when you meet her, or on the date, then she will feel it, too. She will be more comfortable expressing herself in such a way because you're already doing it. You're nonjudgmental because you already ARE like that. Psychology works this way, if you do something a little out of the norm, it has just become the new norm.

Therefore think about this long and hard. You want a girl to open up about stuff? You open up first. You want her to feel comfortable around you? You feel comfortable around her first. You want her to touch you? You touch her first. You want to mutually kiss? You kiss first. If you feel a certain way, she will feel it too. She will feel it in you. ESPECIALLY when you two are vibing. You want her to trust you with her deeper secrets and ambitions? You trust her and then she will. This can build powerful connections by you literally doing everything first. She will follow suit after that.

Thoughts?
Author:  neo87 [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:17 am ]
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Nice. I wrote a thread about how guys shouldn't be afraid to bring up exclusivity if they want it. What are you thoughts? Personally, I find it strange that guys are told, lead lead lead, but wait for her to bring it up first.
Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:21 am ]
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Yea I do this all the time. Isolated, take shirt off, usually not long after she's stripping layers too. If you brave skip the shirt n take ya pants off get down to ya jocks.

Undressing yaself awesome escalation tactic.
Author:  Beast 45 [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:15 am ]
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Hahahaha this post is spot on. I never noticed but I do this all the time. Now that I think about it I'm usually fully naked before I even start taking their clothes off!! :lol: Call me over eager, no matter, I'm a randy fucker hahaha.

As for the rest of the post I totally agree. Women, obviously, are attracted to men. Men are biologically expected to lead, ever since we hunted woolly mammoth in the tundra. If you try to wait for the girl to make the move in any way then you are going to be waiting for a long time, even if she really likes you she is going to want to see you prove your manliness and the only way to do that is to TAKE CHARGE!
Author:  FlexBrah [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:54 am ]
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THIS is where I"m fucking up.

Thanks!
Author:  samex [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:46 pm ]
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You're right about the leading aspect. Women will follow. And with this knowledge, its usually best to just "pull it out." This is the Chuck Norris version of leading in a situation.

I don't want to turn this into a should u or should you not "pull it out" thread, but really this is the most sexual and direct form of leading.

Best,
Samex
Author:  Wall1e [ Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:01 am ]
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Quote:
"Your shirt first, her shirt second" is basically just another way of saying you LEAD. However most guys don't even really know what it is to truly lead. The idea of leading not only in where you are going but leading in every single aspect of the way came to me after reflecting on a few times when I had a girl in my bed and we were "stuck" at the part where we take our clothes off. You go for her shirt, she pulls it back down, you go for it again, she pulls it back down.

What to do? Take off your own shirt and she will follow. Easy.

Now this also applies to pretty much everything in game. The law of state transference, what RSD calls it, or "she feels what you feel" is exactly this. If you LEAD with you feeling sexual right off the bat when you meet her, or on the date, then she will feel it, too. She will be more comfortable expressing herself in such a way because you're already doing it. You're nonjudgmental because you already ARE like that. Psychology works this way, if you do something a little out of the norm, it has just become the new norm.

Therefore think about this long and hard. You want a girl to open up about stuff? You open up first. You want her to feel comfortable around you? You feel comfortable around her first. You want her to touch you? You touch her first. You want to mutually kiss? You kiss first. If you feel a certain way, she will feel it too. She will feel it in you. ESPECIALLY when you two are vibing. You want her to trust you with her deeper secrets and ambitions? You trust her and then she will. This can build powerful connections by you literally doing everything first. She will follow suit after that.

Thoughts?
Now that I think back of it, you're absolutely right. Whenever I led a girl through kissing, touching and all that stuff, is was way more easier for her to open up. I can remember that if my shirt was off first, it would be much more easier for her to do it as well. This means leading the sexual vibe. Awesome post!

Wallie
Author:  Chief [ Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:12 am ]
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A million times yes.

I figured this one out on my own a couple years ago in this exact situation when this girl just wouldn't take her top off. I tried all these ways to turn her on more but it wasn't until I took my own top off that her's just slipped off so easily.

Totally works. And it's true that this is all about leadership and going first in everything.
Author:  TheFury [ Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:24 pm ]
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Yes, this is a great way to go if she gives you resistance taking off her top.
Author:  Mr. Assertive [ Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:59 am ]
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Hahaha, I usually go for the pants first just in case they give bj's :wink:
Author:  Xoved [ Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:29 pm ]
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This is absolutely PUA summarized in one thread.
Thanks for the great post
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