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You've made some great points.... and some horrible ones.
You are living in the old pick up world man.... we believe in self-fulfillment and life purpose these days... You are lecturing us on past issues.
You are living in the old pick up world man.... we believe in self-fulfillment and life purpose these days... You are lecturing us on past issues.
1. Not true. I get constant e-mails from clients complaining about the snake oil salesman garbage, regurgitated product content, trash newsletters, failed PUA training sessions they have experienced.
Also if you know about puahate.com or ripoffreport.com, there are scores of complaints about the
PUA community, PUA outfits and all of the peripheral, exploitive, preposterous, artificial, uneffective
shit that is being sold to make profit.
Another validating source for my counter response is go to ripoffreport.com or puahate.com
You will witness scores of complaints from men about how they were taught nothing, told lies, shown nothing
by so called PUA trainers who in fact were rejected like queer boys during a bootcamp, how the trainers
were only able to chat up jail bait, ugly chicks, drunk girls at a divy night spot but got their assholes eating alive when they attempted to push up against a high quality, intelligent, sexy, hot, real WOMAN with their fratboy tactics.
I too have seen and witnessed this.I rarely have seen a guy that can do, with all due respect what my trainers and I can do, which is to obliterate, annihilate, own, dominate, yet still add massive value and be perceived in the highest regard and reverence by the highest order social domain or inter sexual space, if you will.
Going back on the preposterous PUA community.
No where do I see, a focus on self mastery, life mastery, self development
No where do I see, really teaching and training men the importance of expanding their vocabulary, presentation skills, worldliness, global knowledge. I mean what do you say, talk about when
you are in the face of a super intelligent woman. Are you going to rely on your stupid mohawk, pink T shirt,
dumb, childish, manboy antics, fratboy Karaoke skills? Come on man.
Is that what Gerard Butler, Clint Eastwood, Michael Fasbender do?
I liken a Lady Killer in the modern day sense of the word to be someone who can
without a doubt "WOW" and "MAKE WET" even the QUEEN OF ENGLAND.
Do you honestly think that most PUAs have that high degree of "MATT DAMON in Good will Hunting"
intellectualism running through their blood, can they have intelligent discourse, which by the way
most women (HIGH QUALITY, NOT FRATGIRLS) Want and need. BTW that was a panty remover
for Minnie Driver in the Movie.
Take note!
Do other outfits teach men how to exhibit superior value to other male members in a given social venue but in a way that they want to roll with you, not in a way that is abrasive or belittling.
Do other outfits talk-quantum physics, psychology, evolution, metaphysics, NLP, sociology, Darwinism, self actualization, martial arts philosophy, culture, etc To really make you a FUCKING WORLDLY WARRIOR with women, men, in the world. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure they may spit out a thing or two, but don't get deep into the viscera my friend.
Do these other outfits really reach men how to own a social environment, irrespective of the social character of the people in it?
No where do I see the high calibre standard of teaching men how to really seduce high quality women, of any race, background, soci-economic background, education/income level in any situation.
All I hear and see is the same fucking fratboy crap of
Lay her tonight
Bar girl seduction 101
Coyote Ugly Night Seduction Volume II
Are you fucking kidding me?
I have rarely seen any faggot PUA really, I mean really "WOW"
a high level, intelligent, educated, gorgeous, educated, worldly woman
who is perhaps at a high class Gala, at a State Dinner or somewhere
where an elite cadre of people frequent. They can't. They can only
go into a club or on the streets and rarely even interest, leave alone attracte, intrigue, engage a high quality, sexy/attractive, independent, super intelligent, witty, opinionated, classy, high self esteem
WOMAN.
Next, you make the point that all women are the same. They wall want to fuck, have a fantasy, are carnally hungry, blah blah blah. We all know that but here is my point.
For instance- yes all women at some point want to fuck a stranger and have fantasized about it some point
but its not a recurring thing for them. Once she has you, then unless you have more to offer, you are
sidecarded. Again, I get the feeling here of being
That "Guy" in Cancun that violates a woman's one time fantasy of having sex with a stranger
That "Guy" in the club that finger bings her in the restroom, once to fill, once again a one time fantasy
Then what. You are trash!
I like to gag, choke, finger, fuck a woman over and over and over again
Moreover, I want a woman to want to fuck me, over and over again, to be with me and me ONLY, exclusively
ON all levels, sexually, physically and emotionally, for the long term.
Whereas I feel, for the PUA community it is in/out
Don't matter if she is with another guy the next day, week,
Just get what you can.
Where does this beggar mentality
This desperately, seeking Susan mentality come from.
I am sure you can agree that men that can
1. Get tail anytime( I am included in that small cadre) I am sure you are also I am assuming
2. Men that are used to getting massive play
Just don't feel the need to "FUCK, FUCK FUCK" as you so eloquently put it earlier.
This is what I feel the PUA community, whatever the fuck they call themselves again.
should teach and lend by way of experience to men, if they have any of that at all.
Just a side note.
I am extremely animalistic, kinky, dirty and love to choke, gag, face fuck a woman
until biles of puke like slimey spit get strung out from her nose, and throat/mouth
dangling from my balls/cock. I like to smack that on her face, spit on her face, smack it
choke her, make her mascara run. I have been poking throat since 18. I am 38. Maybe
that's why I am not going to jump for joy at the sight of pussy, as I am used to getting it
for so many years and also engaging in the most perverted, nasty, smutty but also
super erotic, sensual, enticing, romantic, pleasurable experiences with women.
I also used to have my own POV adult site for a year or so. Was #2 on Google
Acquired 150 models using my own tongue and sexual charisma and also
respectful, mature, manly ways and handling of these women. Also, I got a lot of play
without paying for it. What I did pay for was a minute amount, in comparison to what
I made off the site. I also worked with a few actresses(pro) that worked with Seymour
Butts and Rodney Moore.
Asides from that, I am used to getting tail and heads (no pun intended) for years.
This is why, my values are different and I demand more .
Yes I am bored with common, run o' the mill pussy.
I teach men also how to be bored with it too.
It doesn't taste good for the mouth or for the soul.
Listen, Bar food is easy in, easy out the arse hole.
I like Soul food or ever had dinner at a high class Steak House.
It's slow digesting, takes its time, doesn't cause afterburn or gas
or problems. It also makes you feel fulfilled and warm doesn't it?
What I am trying to say is that, most PUA oufits should teach men
to score higher quality women, that will test their balls, prowess, charm, confidence
micro calibration skills, reflexes, communication skills, knowledge, education, etc
before offering their sugar walls.
I don't know about you but I do MMA/UFC style training and consider myself a Fucking Warrior, Old School style . I don't want something easy. I want to know that I beat out the entire "Welterweight division" that was going for the belt(pussy) to get it.
This means 1. I have mad Game 2. The Belt means something.
So I am likening the belt to a woman. Men should completely address their carnal desires and that of a woman but at the same time, the PUA coaching outfits should set them straight and teach them a lot more then just getting laid. that scarcity mentality is not conducive to success nor is it reflective of someone who is ALpha or successful. Men need to be taught how to score "HIGH LEVEL" pussy that will test them, in addition to learning how to master themselves and all aspects of their lives to attain virtuosity, mastery, happiness and true fulfilment in the Mr Myagi sense of the word.
That is all I am suggesting!
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Secondly for you to ask a man to go against his biological urge is asinine.... we want to fuck... we need to fuck... it's how we are biologically designed. For you to put down body language is another bull shit statement... honestly... anyone good with women knows to read a woman... if you are looking for a girl who wants to fucks like any straight man (yes we are all biologically after this), yes look for DTF signals... Do you have to fuck her that night? No.... And I'm not big on SNLs, I'm big on day 2s because sex is better with someone you have a connection with.... when you know each other on more levels and understand sexual wants.
2. I never said for a man to subdue his urges at all. In fact I also realize that a woman is more sexual than a man is and nothing should be put forth by way of making excuses or apologies for wanting to have sex, whether it be for the purpose of coital pleasure or to mate.
You misconstrued my point completely I think we should act on our desires. FUCK I AM THE ANIMAL OF ANIMALS and I totally will NOT disagree with that. However, let's not be so consumed with going for the knockout or same night lay. It will come if you are cool, calm, relaxed, having fun, bringing the fun, adding value, are interesting, etc.
So I think we agree this much on this point.
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Another thing.... WOMEN WANT TO HAVE A FANTASY NIGHT OF FUCKING A STRANGER.... Not one type of woman.... not some women... ALL WOMEN. Will they admit it? Na... but with some intuitive knowledge you being an empathetic male there to fuck her the way she wants to be fucked you understand this...
I feel like your experience is kind of limited.... You market all this shit that the rest of us do... becoming a man of substance, taking care of yourself, self-improvement, etc..... this isn't news, this is something a lot of us more "experienced" guys on the forum think and truly believe
I feel like your experience is kind of limited.... You market all this shit that the rest of us do... becoming a man of substance, taking care of yourself, self-improvement, etc..... this isn't news, this is something a lot of us more "experienced" guys on the forum think and truly believe
3. I already gave you my response to this section.
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For you to ask a man to change his biological urges is asinine once again... WE ARE WIRED TO WANT TO FUCK... WHENEVER, HOWEVER, ANY WHICH WAY.... Don't you understand that? For you to say to stop acting like manboys... well my statement to you is to deny your sexual side is acting like a manboy.... to accept it... accept that you want to fuck a woman... that you desire her.... that it is your duty as a male of your species to want to fuck her.... that is accept your "man side"... not denying your biological urges or your anatomy. Do I think you should have standards? Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that you are an ANIMAL... wired to act in certain ways... then be that fucking animal... want to fuck that woman... want to reproduce (fuck).... do it as often as possible that is being a Man, not saying it's not man like to want to
4. I explained this already above. You once again misconstrued my point here.
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fuck a desirable woman... that is ridiculous and quite uneducated...
Any man can find a hole at a club and anyone who can't is a sissy boy....
The next issue I have is THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEDUCING A "HIGH QUALITY" WOMAN AND ANY OTHER.... How do I know this? They all have the same general concepts for courtship... Sometimes they want to be held and sometimes they want to be fucked.... Sometimes they want you to listen and sometimes they want to just bend them over the bed and fulfill their sexual needs... fantasies... desires... be a man and fulfill them not some pussy boy.... or sissy boy ... or man boy or whatever the fuck you want to call it. Be their desire... don't be some pussy that won't walk up to a woman and lead her where she wants to go... which is to your house to fuck like the animals we are...
Any man can find a hole at a club and anyone who can't is a sissy boy....
The next issue I have is THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEDUCING A "HIGH QUALITY" WOMAN AND ANY OTHER.... How do I know this? They all have the same general concepts for courtship... Sometimes they want to be held and sometimes they want to be fucked.... Sometimes they want you to listen and sometimes they want to just bend them over the bed and fulfill their sexual needs... fantasies... desires... be a man and fulfill them not some pussy boy.... or sissy boy ... or man boy or whatever the fuck you want to call it. Be their desire... don't be some pussy that won't walk up to a woman and lead her where she wants to go... which is to your house to fuck like the animals we are...
5. No one said courtship is different or follows a different linear structure. All seduction or mating takes place in the same step by step fashion. You once again are repudiating something I didn't even say. Read more clearly between the lines or subtext if you can.
Yes all women have the same design, follow the same courtship paradigm, blah blah blah
However as my point earlier stated, you have to micro calibrate how to make a woman want to
enter into that covenant or seduction continuum with you. You need to approach each woman
differently
A Wall Street, VP Quant Analyst may have a completely different personality, value system make up than
a hipster Chick on the E. side in Manhattan. Are you suggesting that they want to be courted in the same manner ? That is a very inexperienced thing to say. Sure they both want attraction and a connection and ultimately seduction, but how you push their buttons or rather what pushes those buttons is very different based on their individual designs. Come on , I thought the PUA community taught this stuff. !
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I respect women and their sexual side....and I want them to be confident enough for them to talk to me about bending them over.... grabbing their throat... pulling their hair... all the sexy lil shit they love.... Stop focusing on this bull shit... there are 3 basic ways to get laid: Attraction(tons of traits and behaviors), Connection/Rapport(creating something between you two), and Sexual Escalation/Tension.... Now any one of these tactics can get you laid... Any one... doesn't matter but you want to know which tactic gets you laid the most? Sexual escalation and tension.... Everything else is just icing on the cake... If you master all 3 areas... Guess what? Your going to get an ass load of amazing women in your life and yes you'll be the chooser not the chosen...
6. You again talk about sex, getting laid, fucking, shit, etc.Listen, VIC. I understand your angle and approach but it is coming from a one dimensional place where you only see a woman as a sexual being, with basic urges to survive and replicate. Although at the core this is true for all mammals, humans have emotional, practical needs, values and such which does play a big part as well, especially if one member is going to feel a synergy with another for the long term. If you are only interested in wham bam thank you maam, then employ this brute approach of seeing only a woman as a sex object to be desired and who desires to be as you stated fucked, tied up, bent over. However, women today want a bit more than that, even just to open their legs. If they don't, then you are dealing with an easy chick and I don't like easy, I like a challenge!
Listen, I will tell you from many encounters with women that are earth shattering and simply, pure fantasies for most men that they only become "bitches for me in the bedroom" because in addition to dominating them, making them feel comfortable around me to elucidate their sexual fantasies, dirty thoughts, I had much to offer them by way of -personality, intelligence, education, intelligent discourse, wit, humour, knowledge, worldly experience, global mindedness, class, eloquence, etc.
Women today want a WORLDLY WARRIOR , not a FRATBOY!
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If there are still women difficult to seduce for you... then stop teaching seduction. I know you won't get every woman... no man can but to say there are more "difficult to seduce women" shows a severe lack of experience imo. I know there are "easier" women but that is not to say every woman in one mood or another isn't easier... the question is can you create that mood?
7. I never said a woman is difficult to seduce. You misconstrued my point for the final time
I said a high quality woman is difficult to seduce if all you have is fratboy antics. She wants more.
Peace and Love,
Vic