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| Author: | *olie* [ Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:18 pm ] |
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-READ ME- i know this aint really to do with pick up but it kindof is in a sence... ok 1 or 2 of you may have already read something to do with this ongoing problem already, ive decided to write what happened and basicly see how you guys think i should have handled this so they would stop. first this guy next to me who is genrally a prick starts flicking me with this pencil on my arm pretty hard (hard enough to leave red marks) i prentended not to care and carried on talking to my mate then turned around and told him to fuck off i think he said something back (i cant really remmember) then i turned back to my friend and this prick carried on flicking me, i did not make any reaction and no one was laughing at what he was doing or paying much attention to what he was doing, after a minuit he took my folder and promptly started rumeging through it i snached it out of hes hand and he laughed and we exchanged some rude words and eventually it escelated into 4-5 people (guys including 1 friend) messing about with my folder nicking my pencils. this has been an ongoing problem and has usualy escelated into sevral people annoying the hell out of me.. i seriosly feel i cannot start some aspects of pickup sucessfully without sorting this out first. i'm looking to you guys for tips on how to handle : 1.minor physical contact eg. they start flicking you for exsample 2.trying to embarrass you eg. asking rude questions (do you wank?) 3.how to stop other people joining in (make them turn off to him and join defending me) 4.how to defend against stupid attacks eg. saying your name but in a way to take the piss out of your voice 5.and absolutly anything else you can think of to help with im not only doing this for me but when i figure out how to beat this highschool bullying properly i should be able to help other people aswell because so far all ive seen on the internet to do with bullying is tell a teacher it will make everything all better.. what a load of crap seriosly do you know any one rometly popular that tells the teacher on half the class thats annoying him and whats more ive seen the teachers even dislikeing these people. pick up seems to be phycological stuff im thinking most masters should be able to know how to deal with this in theory even if it hasent happened to them. i have already improved my body launguadge to its fullest, i get a little angry when more than 1 person has a go at me but i try not to show it. i want to show to all the guys im dangerous or get respect but the only way i can think of doing that is by doing sports i could learn the rules to some of them and get to it because im not that unhealthy but i would like to find out other ways for people who are unhealthy (not saying you shouldent go excercise more infact that would be a great idea but sometimes you cant get good at a sport strait away anyway) also i have had the thought sevral times to start a fight with "the" alpha male of my year.. but i realized he isent even that tough even though alot of people think he is and then it hit me he plays rugby for a team he uses that as a main thing in hes life and alot of people respect him for it. also you dont want to appear dangerous to girls do you? |
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| Author: | Paetar [ Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:17 pm ] |
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Hey, this is bad, I know. I've been there. Advice is simple; Tell him to stop. Two times. Just tell him this; "Two times i will ask you to stop, after that you are going down. This is ask no.1." If he doesn't stop, don't be afraid and punch him. Not playfully, not nicely. Make him fall of his chair. Make him bleed his nose. Take his pencil and break it in two pieces. Twist his arm, make him feel pain. Be the alpha, don't let anyone screw around with ya. Even if you DO lose the fight and DO end up in worse shape than he is, everyone will remember that fight and see that you CAN stand up for yourself; because if you don't, no one will. ----- When he asks you an embarrassing question, turn it around; HE: "Do you wank?" YOU: "How about you, do you?" When you give him an answer, he will laugh (this is lose-lose question, I'm sure you know that), turn it around again. If he laughs at you for wanking, tell him "You don't wank? Man, you are as frigid as polar ice. Maybe you still haven't reached your puberty? Or are you too ashamed of yourself?" If he laughs at you for not-wanking, bust on him by "So that means that you wank? Ah that's why you are going to WC in school all the time!" ***hint - usually bullies are insecure about things they tell you in their "material," their sub-conscious tries to hide it from the world by picking on someone else about it*** How to stop others from joining; make them see that it ISN'T OK, that it hurts you and in general, appear vulnerable (the doggy-dinner-bowl-look does wonders here). Although, if they keep busting on you too, they aren't really that much of a friends anyways. Find other friends. Class doesn't matter; trust me, any relationship with them ends in 4 years and then you probably won't see each other ever again. Between classes, stay in hallway and come inside only when you really must. Fuck them. Talking from experience here. ---- Stupid questions, trying to piss you out by saying your name, etc: IGNORE IT. If it really pisses you off, flip him off (show him the middle finger) without even turning your head to him or stopping doing whatever you are doing at the moment. A word of caution; don't overreact. Don't go kick his ass just because he gave you a bad look. And a word of advice; Show some quality of yours that he doesn't have and build yourself there in eyes of your classmates. Don't fight on his battlefield, where he is already in lead; instead find your own and fight there. He is an athlete? OK, and you can do math better than him. Or catch fishes better than he does. Play a guitar, which he can't do. Anything works out here, as long as you are good at it. You don't need to be the best. After all, even the bully isn't the top athlete of the year. ----- If it really starts going bad, GO and tell your parents/teacher/whoever. Just having someone on your side will help you mentally. CARPE DIEM. |
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| Author: | thugnificent [ Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:08 pm ] |
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I'm gonna share my personal view since I'm in high school too. I've only had 1 case wth an alpha trying to mess with me. The calss he tried fucking with me in ad me, him, and 2 others as dominant/alpha people. When I was eating at the class party to celebrate winter break he tried to shout loud enough for everyone to hear that "You're only supposed to take one." I'm no where near fat but I am slightly overweight. I told him to come over to me and take it frome me if he wanted it. So here I challenged him to see if he had a backbone and he backed down. Another thing was he tried to say my name kind of gay like you were describing. So every time he did something I made him look gay, stupid, weird, and challenged him on everything. He stopped. In your case you need to tell the principal not the teachers or counselors. You need to keep your cool at all times so don't smack him uness he touches. Get your dad to raise hell at school about it. As a word of advice, don't let things ever get to this point of this ever again. Always set rules when people are around you and punish them if they don't follow them whether they are boy or girl. Remember if that guy fucks with you he's basiaclly teaching everyone around that sees to disrespect you too so stop it when its small. |
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| Author: | delta4ce [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:22 am ] |
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aight... so basically you want to AMOG these dudes... Looking at this from a PUA perspective (i'm no pua... just looking at it from the technical perspective)... you need to show them... basically that they're a bunch of tools... i'd suggest looking up some AMOG Destroyers on this site... couldn't hurt, and some will be better than others... Basically, prove that you have more social value and worth than them... If they do the flicking thing in class again, loudly say something like this: Quote: Dude, stop acting like a five year old... Keep your hands off of me.
Remember not to yell this, but say it when an adult/teacher is present, loud enough for everyone in the room to hear, but not to seem like an outburst or like you cant control yourself.... just2. Quote: Do you wank?
something like this should work well:"I try to avoid talking about dicks with other guys..." if they respond with something like... oo... is it really that small... or something else, make sure that you have some sort of witty response 3. Stopping other people from joining in goes back to being an alpha kinda guy.... as an alpha, you dont give a shit... about anything... about what anyone thinks of you same for #4 Think about why these guys are doing this... they're gaining social proof every time they put you down, because they are exerting dominance over you... you need to show them that they don't affect you... In highschool... a good way to gain social proof is proving that you are more mature than the other guys-- thats not to say don't have fun and joke around/ be immature.... but show that you know where "the line" is |
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| Author: | Bedrock [ Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:22 pm ] |
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Yup ive been here. Either you AMOG them or fight them. My situation, i didnt know how to AMOG so i turned to fighting. I won but then the others that this guy hungout with started picking on me to try to get a fight out of me. So guess what... I ended up fighting every single one of those guys (not at one time). By the luck of the draw I won each fight. they never tried to bully me again. But I would not suggest that. only if its a last resort. Its more trouble than its worth. Definatly try to AMOG them. Use some AMOG destroyers every time they even talk to you. |
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| Author: | xTxHxExJxOxKxExRx [ Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:05 pm ] |
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alright where to start...... im gonna give you some tips on how i became a high social guy in Hs (i used to be a nerd back in the day, like 6 years ago in middle school, though i was thought be a an outcast punk rocker, i guess thats where i started peacocking, keep in mind i didn't start the game til a month ago though) just remember people in our society are hollow, they base people by looks/behavior before knowing them...... answer these questions and reply back to me in PM if you want me to help ya ok number 1: Self Image what do you look like (be honest with yourself) are you a geek/nerd? are you a jock/prep? are you a skater/scene kid? answer in detail and give detail on how you dress. number 2: who do you hang out with/talk to? are you in the group of jocks, nerds, geeks, skaters, scene kids, or outcasts? remember to be honest, honesty is waht i need to give you info number 3: Self behavior Are you known to be shy, or outgoing and very socialable, do you mumble or talk like an emperor with high power? Do you keep to yourself or join in with the crowd? And are you budding in? (if your budding in a convo a person is having, and are not known to be a socialable person, this is being taken as creepy/annoying, ive noticed this with a kid next to me who budded in a girls convo about a movie, she told him to shut up and stop talking to her in a mean way, when i did it (i had high value) she talked to me like it was nothing and even had a smile on number 4: body language are you standing tall, high up or leaned in with your neck bent? are you walking carefree with your arms swinging casually? number 5: involvement Are you always helping the teacher and making it seem like your voice counts, or do you sit back and relax/chill like the rest of everyone and socialize? number 6: Body Size do you carry extra baggage around (being fat)? or are you super skinny scrawny looking? or are you average? are you muscular? (keep in mind you don't have to be muscular, but its a plus for attraction) thats all i can think of now, and have time for now, remember in the process of being a high value guy, you may have to lose friends, habits, or other things that you hold value (example: i used to be a video game junkie, and when i got home i would just play games all day, but i know i was going nowhere, so i quit games, started playing guitar, go to concerts/malls and "GET OUT" more) THIS IS ALL IN THE PERSPECTIVE OF HIGHSCHOOL status being that the questions i asked you are for kids in HIGHSCHOOL/SCHOOL to change your VALUE... anyways if ya want, PM those questions and ill try to guide ya |
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| Author: | Success [ Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:01 pm ] |
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In highschool I was a bit of a bully myself. I think the last thing I wanted was someone to pick on me first. It's harder to use AMOG destroyers when most, or the whole class dosen't value you. I've had people try and stand up to me but my classmates took care of them for me. Sometimes they even said "All right [Name], sit down, you're not cool." What you want to do is pick on them first. They'll be shocked. Bullies are used to people standing up to them. Bullies aren't used to people picking on them. Attack first, make it good. You know you succeeded when he wants to fight you. When he starts talking about fighting, you know you beat him. He can't fight you with words so he's going to try and dominate you physically. |
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| Author: | Rye Lee [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:00 am ] |
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I've been there and if you can find a way around it without punching the guy in the face, then do that, but if you can't, then it makes a point and as long as you actually hit him and don't pull your punch. Also, make sure it isn't over something completely stupid, cause I got made fun of a lot for picking the wrong time to punch a guy (don't do it during physics class, cause then people decide that it was because you're a science nerd and got in a disagreement instead of him being a jerk that got what was coming). It's better if you can stop it using words though, so if you let him know that if he doesn't stop you're gonna break his nose, then you can avoid actually having to do so. Even better than that is using your wit to make him look like an idiot for picking on you infront of everyone. I wouldn't go to the principle unless you have grounds for getting him at least suspended, otherwise he'll just do it more when they're not looking and even if you do get him suspended, or even expelled, that just makes them beat you up instead. |
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| Author: | *olie* [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:21 pm ] |
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some nice advice there ive recently gone on a 4 day trip to london with most of the people in my year (without this adivce) its helped me develop some tactics but im still in the process, yeah fighting only leads to more fighting and im my experiance if you lose or even if you win and it looks like uve lost then its gonna be worse for you. ive noticed one of the main purpertrators at my school when you look at him closely has alot of insecuritys. fightiong will not work for me about another 1 and i will get excluded for 2 days next one 1 week next one probly permenently. |
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| Author: | stevenadrien [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:24 pm ] |
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I also face that quite alot. I'm 15 and I'm a junior, so everyone is already older then me. I always thought that if I just ignored the remarks, no one would really care, but it seems it makes everyone around you think you are soft. Lately, i've been prone to fighting back thought. I think we should both use these AMOG destroyers posted on this thread. Good advice people, please keep em coming 
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| Author: | xTxHxExJxOxKxExRx [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:41 am ] |
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heres my views on fighting for anyone who reads this: fighting physically is one of the worst things you can do, it shows you can't prove your point any other way than to smash someones face in just look at black belt martial artists, and trained fighters, they perfer not to fight because fighting is unnessary and can be avoided, but if they are pushed to far they won't be afraid to knock someones ass out i got in a fight once and it was over a stupid reason, me and a friend were at lunch and he kept throwing cookies in my hair, so i said a stupid thing trying to act tough, and he tempted me to hit him so i did and we brawled... my point is if your gonna fight make sure its for a logical reason, not only did i lose a friend, i lost more status, and his group now hated me (this was about 6-7 years ago) but i agree with rye lee, if you have to knock his ass out do it, but don't sucker punch (unexpectantly punch that is) because you'll be looked down on for sucker punching, but yeah if hes hitting you will the pencil like you said, and he won't stopped when asked, id give him more for what he bargained for and this is what i gotta finish with, if your gonna fight and your gonna get in trouble for it (ticket/fine and suspension) id make sure you try to break some bones (jaw, ribs, arm, missing teeth, etc) but thats just my thought |
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| Author: | Max [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:25 am ] |
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I was a troubled kid. When I got bullied, even by a guy 3 times my size I would just smash him. Got my ass kicked a lot but you stop fucking with the kid that will hit ya There was this kid who I liked but teased. he was a little slow. One day he swung, I turned, he hit me in the back. Hurt like HELL. I just laughed and said calm down... but I never fucked with him again. But more peaceful... guy says "Do you wank"... just say "only fags don't"... in hs, every guy wanks, and every guy pretends he doesn't. once you admit you do, you cn't get too much shit because every guy teasing you does too... Out of highschool, girls think its hot, and they would in hs too if guys weren't so damn childish about it. Think Extramask in The Game Just own it. Own anything and it loses power.When you ignore thing like a pencil flick, you aren't really ignoring it, you are obviously trying to ignore it, which just makes them keep it up until they get a response. Do something stupid, its what they respond to. Tell people you know will talk you think he's flirting with you and its making you uncomfortable, and you are thinking about going to teachers about it. But in the end, all bullys are pussies, and are dealing with that fact by picking on those they think are easy targets. Hit him as hard as you can in nose... hurts bad, eyes water. Even if he kicks your ass, you are not an easy target and you stop getting bullied, and everyone knows you are man enough to stand up for yourself. Black eyes heal. Sore jaws heal. Stiches heal. If you aren't in the kind of school where it will get you killed, just pop him. Are you here to improve yourself. Part of being a complete guy, which my disfunctional ass needs as much work on as anyone, is standing up for yourself. He can't win. If he wins the fight, he's an asshole, if he loses he's a pussy. Watch the movie Fight Club. How can you know what you are made of as a man if you have never been in a fight. It's not about winning, its about being enough of a man to fight when you know you're probably gonna lose. I'm rambling, but no bully picks on the kid who fights back. |
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| Author: | HyphyMovement [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:25 am ] |
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DO NOT IGNORE HIM I learned the hard way, even if it was friends on my sports team. |
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| Author: | Trivial [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:45 am ] |
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If you can't kick his ass then beat him with your brain. If he flicks with a pencil.... yell out loud hey stop touching me with your pencil Im not gay you faggot. If he goes through your folder tell him your numbers not in there and you tired of him sexual harassing you. Same thing for every situation just let it be known your not going to take his shit. But also you need to get working out and bulking up and take some self defense lessons |
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| Author: | stevenadrien [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:48 pm ] |
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Quote: I was a troubled kid. When I got bullied, even by a guy 3 times my size I would just smash him. Got my ass kicked a lot but you stop fucking with the kid that will hit ya
Oh man. Pretty much THE post of this thread =D
There was this kid who I liked but teased. he was a little slow. One day he swung, I turned, he hit me in the back. Hurt like HELL. I just laughed and said calm down... but I never fucked with him again. But more peaceful... guy says "Do you wank"... just say "only fags don't"... in hs, every guy wanks, and every guy pretends he doesn't. once you admit you do, you cn't get too much shit because every guy teasing you does too... Out of highschool, girls think its hot, and they would in hs too if guys weren't so damn childish about it. Think Extramask in The Game Just own it. Own anything and it loses power.When you ignore thing like a pencil flick, you aren't really ignoring it, you are obviously trying to ignore it, which just makes them keep it up until they get a response. Do something stupid, its what they respond to. Tell people you know will talk you think he's flirting with you and its making you uncomfortable, and you are thinking about going to teachers about it. But in the end, all bullys are pussies, and are dealing with that fact by picking on those they think are easy targets. Hit him as hard as you can in nose... hurts bad, eyes water. Even if he kicks your ass, you are not an easy target and you stop getting bullied, and everyone knows you are man enough to stand up for yourself. Black eyes heal. Sore jaws heal. Stiches heal. If you aren't in the kind of school where it will get you killed, just pop him. Are you here to improve yourself. Part of being a complete guy, which my disfunctional ass needs as much work on as anyone, is standing up for yourself. He can't win. If he wins the fight, he's an asshole, if he loses he's a pussy. Watch the movie Fight Club. How can you know what you are made of as a man if you have never been in a fight. It's not about winning, its about being enough of a man to fight when you know you're probably gonna lose. I'm rambling, but no bully picks on the kid who fights back. |
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