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Author:  .Sage. [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Direct vs Indirect
Yeah I know it's been disscussed several times, an eternal debate, what the fuck ever. But I'm a curious mind, and I want some clarification.

Why the fuck does everyone say that Direct is better over Indirect?

The fact is, it doesn't matter what you say as your opener, but how does being like EVERY OTHER GUY out there work in your favor? I thought being different and getting results no matter what were apart of the PUAs creed, or did we let AMOGs subvert what used to be true?

As for my argument, Woman work on emotional levels, they view the world emotionally as well. For example, Twilight books are popular. Would any romantic novel be so popular if the lead guy came up to them and said "How about some dick?" (Which is pretty much what all direct openers equate to) Why wouldn't you make a woman feel like she's in one of those love stories where she falls in love with this very interesting guy who's also a challenge?

PUAs should be an exception to the rule, ALWAYS. Someone explain how using advice that you hear from just about every AMOG (Just go up, tell her you like her, then fuck her) is better than being the PERFECT guy for MANY women...
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
Personally, I use direct game a lot because of this: http://americanpregnancy.org/gettingpre ... ation.html

My window of opportunity is around 5 to 6 days. That's the peak ovulation period to do my direct game. Reading peak ovulation signs is the key to this approach.

Now, for the remaining days of the month, I do indirect game. That's a lot; some 22 to 23 days. But this is an oversimplification. If you're sarging a set of 7 women, their peak ovulation period will vary during a month. This implies that at any given day one girl within your set will be ovulating. You can do direct game on her while the rest who are not at their peak ovulation period will require indirect game.

My indirect game though is not based on the Mystery Method. It's more along the lines of Adam Lyons or Joshua Pellicer. I use propinquity a lot and social proofing. These are the main staples of my indirect game. I do day game by the way and use a lot of wide rapport and deep rapport techniques courtesy of Bobby Rio.

All of my direct game techniques; I learned in this forum.

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Author:  EademMutataResurgo [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
Girls know what's up, they're not daft (socially anyway :D ). If you can, go direct. It's more authentic, honest and ballsy. If it's inappropriate or she seems way too shy then go indirect but don't leave it too late to show your intent otherwise she'll be confused by what the fuck you want or you'll get friendzoned. Direct is hard though man I know, still not got it nailed down properly yet
Author:  .Sage. [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
I would have never thought to use Female Ovulation, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what you just suggested lol.

Anyways, if you have the confidence, Direct isn't hard. I find that if you're going direct, you're not playing 'the game' you're just gambling, and your chances of actually scoring go way down. This is how I see it:

Direct= You want her, then you get her to want you.

Indirect= You get her to want you, then you reward her by wanting her.

Why play high risk, high reward when you can just get them all. Sure it might take a little longer but it feels good to juggle 10 women...

NOTE: I'm pretty good at indirect, so this is assuming that you're either going to master Indirect or Direct, not just suck at either or.
Author:  Testicles [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
I agree with most of what Syx said.
What I noticed is that while indirect game is considered the nerfed version of wetting your cock, direct game usually doesn't work because of two things: not enough confidence and lack of a strong frame.
Everyone says that direct game is better. It is shorter, as in, you can fuck earlier. That being said, you have to learn to walk before running.
Indirect game, at least for me, is, more or less, mixed signals. Planting the seed in their minds, and letting it grow over time. She has to think: "Does he like me? Does he dislike me? This is so confusing!"
In the end, you can use whatever you like, but know what you're good at and what you're bad at. Cheers.
Author:  Rockets88 [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
It seems to me you answer your own question in your responses. All the points you make in the original topic and replies seem to be the advantages of direct game.

Above all direct game gives you the ability to approach any girl, at anytime. Indirect and situational do not give you this ability.
Author:  Rockets88 [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
Its really the difference between a ten yard pass in football and a 65 yard bomb. If your a strong individual your frame and confidence shouldn't be a problem.
Author:  Rockets88 [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
I should also add that AMOGs don't go on dating sates to get laid so they are doing something right...
Author:  AmanteLatino [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
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I should also add that AMOGs don't go on dating sites to get laid so they are doing something right...
^Agree, the non PUA community every now and then gets laid, it's no big deal... :shock:

For the matter at hands.

The twilight story entertains women. That's what you want to do?

Spend your time and energy entertaining them, keeping them in the fence instead of polarizing their responses in a yes/no attitude, succumb to their 'attention seeking' persona. She needs to feel at least a small attraction for you to start with, she unconsciously gets that in the first few seconds of the first interaction, if it is nothing there, then no amount of effort will make any, if it's there, then it is you job to bought it up to the surface it's a mistake to assume that if you spend enough time gravitating around a women she will eventually develop feelings for you. The male friend syndrome, lol, poor fuckers. know a guy that is invested in a similar mind-set that as allow him to submit to a woman whims for fifteen fucking years, not joking.
She knows he likes her, they always know. They have deluded themselves to think that if a guy is taking an effort to approach them in any way, is because he is interested, it be true or not.
What confuses them when you play your little jedi mind tricks, is the following.
Her: Why the hell does he not man up and 'get me' already!?
Have heard that over and over again from many of my female friends, if you don't have any, subscribe to a female dominated relationship forum.

By the way, you you insist in the 'be the exception of the rule' mantra, than don't keep beating around the bush, i have personally saw very few 'civilian' men polling the 'direct approach' right, most of them are joking when saying somewhat around the line of, you are hot, bla, bla, bla. Most of them are rude drunks, hit and run with a bunch of male friends, to wrap it up, they don't mean it.

Now, if if come across a girls that you know before hand that you will see again, than you can work her up, stimulate her imagination, tease her. But always show fucking intent, fail to do this and she will begin to doubt your intentions, and by that, i mean, she will begin to question your manhood, not if you fancy her or not.

In regard to the ovulation thing that hellhound brought up, it's pretty sleek, coincidentally i saw the other day a documentary about how the male natural odor affects a women perception of him in relation to her ovulation period, experiments in how a more masculine or feminine male manner would affect a women hormonal response, how the contraceptive pill affects her choosing when it comes to a sexual partner over a more 'provider' role partner, among many other things. Well, i just want to say thanks to post the link here, it sharpened my curiosity to know more about the subject ... 8)
Author:  .Sage. [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
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It seems to me you answer your own question in your responses.
How so?

Amogs use the term getting lucky for a reason and celebrate when they do actually score. They also bang pretty much any chick they can get horny and drunk. There's no way you're going to bag a woman of quality by telling her you're looking for a slut straight up. There's direct game for you.

It's Quantity vs Quality.

Sex is just ONE goal. If you're here JUST to get laid, you're trying to be a PUA for the wrong reasons and you'll end up quitting/denouncing it later anyways. That's the real reason direct is so popular, people just want to get some ASAP, and anyway possible.

In any case, when done correctly it might even be more ballsy to go indirect. You look right into a girls eyes while subconsciously telling her, I don't give a fuck until you prove yourself to me. So fucking Alpha. There's no way you'll bag a high quality girl otherwise.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
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How so?

Amogs use the term getting lucky for a reason and celebrate when they do actually score. They also bang pretty much any chick they can get horny and drunk. There's no way you're going to bag a woman of quality by telling her you're looking for a slut straight up. There's direct game for you.

It's Quantity vs Quality.

Sex is just ONE goal. If you're here JUST to get laid, you're trying to be a PUA for the wrong reasons and you'll end up quitting/denouncing it later anyways. That's the real reason direct is so popular, people just want to get some ASAP, and anyway possible.

In any case, when done correctly it might even be more ballsy to go indirect. You look right into a girls eyes while subconsciously telling her, I don't give a fuck until you prove yourself to me. So fucking Alpha. There's no way you'll bag a high quality girl otherwise.
The implication that direct game only goes for sluts is bull. All women ovulate, unless they are in menopause.

For a PUA bashing a method of pick up that he does not know anything about is shortsighted. It appears you have never heard of Role Theory and I don't expect you to understand the more sophisticated Vibe Theory sooner than later.

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Author:  .Sage. [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
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The implication that direct game only goes for sluts is bull. All women ovulate, unless they are in menopause.

For a PUA bashing a method of pick up that he does not know anything about is shortsighted. It appears you have never heard of Role Theory and I don't expect you to understand the more sophisticated Vibe Theory sooner than later.

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You're right, I don't know anything about ovulation cycles, because that's not how I personally want to play the game.

But i'm not talking about personal things or my various outcomes with all the methods that I've tried and field tested. What I discuss here is the implications of what this forum is saying, 'Direct over Indirect'. I'll make no attempt to hide the fact that I favor Indirect however, If I did the topic would surely be one sided.

I encourage people to try and defend direct just as hard as I defend indirect.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
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You're right, I don't know anything about ovulation cycles, because that's not how I personally want to play the game.

But i'm not talking about personal things or my various outcomes with all the methods that I've tried and field tested. What I discuss here is the implications of what this forum is saying, 'Direct over Indirect'. I'll make no attempt to hide the fact that I favor Indirect however, If I did the topic would surely be one sided.

I encourage people to try and defend direct just as hard as I defend indirect.
If your purpose is to repeat the long debate on this topic which is buried deep in this section without providing any new ideas, then this thread is pointless.
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Yeah I know it's been disscussed several times, an eternal debate, what the fuck ever. But I'm a curious mind, and I want some clarification.

Why the fuck does everyone say that Direct is better over Indirect?
You got your clarification from me which is my new take on the idea.

Unfortunately, Skills360 is no longer in the mood for those "My penis is bigger than yours" mental masturbation debate kind of posts. So try your luck with the other Direct Gamers around here.

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Author:  .Sage. [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
Quote:

If your purpose is to repeat the long debate on this topic which is buried deep in this section without providing any new ideas, then this thread is pointless.
The point of this thread was to advocate Indirect is not any less than Direct, despite what this forum would bring others to mislead. A skilled PUA will get just as many women using Indirect and maintaining his "I am the prize" from the get go than showing a girl his hand immediately.
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You got your clarification from me which is my new take on the idea.

Unfortunately, Skills360 is no longer in the mood for those "My penis is bigger than yours" mental masturbation debate kind of posts. So try your luck with the other Direct Gamers around here.

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I meant the question, and I see your point but can't help feeling I touched a nerve there hell(Because I don't like judging whether a woman is Ovulating...?). I meant no offense, But the answer still remains fairly unanswered, why Indirect is labeled as "Beginners work" compared to Direct game.

btw,
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The male friend syndrome, lol, poor fuckers. know a guy that is invested in a similar mind-set that as allow him to submit to a woman whims for fifteen fucking years, not joking.
I meant to reply to this line in a previous post, but must have forgotten it. A lot of guys when first getting into the game are so DUMBFOUNDED by what they read and all the mistakes they've been making ("What?! Buying a girl drinks 'won't' make her like you????) They feel like they can never trust a woman again and if they treat her like a person, they'll get friend-zoned, that if you actually like a girl for her personality you'll get blown out. If you think like this, your inner game is a mess. That's all I have to say about that particular quote.
Author:  AmanteLatino [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct vs Indirect
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I meant to reply to this line in a previous post, but must have forgotten it. A lot of guys when first getting into the game are so DUMBFOUNDED by what they read and all the mistakes they've been making ("What?! Buying a girl drinks 'won't' make her like you????) They feel like they can never trust a woman again and if they treat her like a person, they'll get friend-zoned, that if you actually like a girl for her personality you'll get blown out. If you think like this, your inner game is a mess. That's all I have to say about that particular quote.
You misinterpret me, my fault perhaps, since my reasoning is not that eloquent. But, that's one of the underlying motives i joined the forum, aside from the fact that it is a source of great knowledge, providing we took the time to plunder throughout all the nerdy nonsense.
Using your 'lingo' i am and pretend to remain a natural, if i seem a little out of phase now and then is because i found some of your 'dissertations' a little to pragmatic (in lack of a more proper word), full with weird jargon. Will get over it, in time...

As for my quote, here goes. The women in question is a relative of mine, a women i have known since child birth, she is in no way what you could consider a good person, doesn't matter how relative the concept is, but she is very attractive. The man, is no close to me, even so, i have hang out with him, we have spoken now and then. He is madly in love with her, or obsessed, whatever you want to call it, due to is 'indirect' game he as never summon the will power to act like a man. He is deeply convinced that somehow, he will sneak is way inside her pants. The truth is, he acts like the 'male friend' who is always ready to please her, an emotional tampon (read this in here), and she knows, she as always known, and, as he displayed a more sexual intent he would have upgrade their relationship a long time ago, her words. And then would have move on with is life, since she would not be able to maintain her mask for long in that scenario. Not that matters to the point i'm trying to make.
I have seen that kind of behavior from guy's, not that extreme of course, everywhere, all the time. All my female friends, almost all the girls i have been with one way or the other, have this male 'servants' gravitating around them.
And no, most of them don't spend tons of money with them, they just put up with their drama.

Did i explain myself correctly!?

By the way, don't make assumptions about other people without enough information to back it up, it could back fire.
"Generalisation is the mother of all fuck up's". Or something like that, still a nice quote though...
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