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Author:  DJ_Z [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:10 am ]
Post subject:  Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
I've been having a lot of success with this recently, to the point where I stopped asking women for numbers.

“But Zach, this is just the way it works!”

Yeah, some girls are still constrained by the cultural idea that men have to always make the first move, and if the girl argues with you about it, whether you go for it and take her number is up to you. My point, however, is that you can skip the annoying two weeks texting a girl asking when she’s free, or if she wants to do something tonight/tomorrow/this weekend, only to get bullshit each time. I have a girl coming over tomorrow to whom I gave my number last week. I gave her my number, told her I was going to a bar down the street, and that we’d do a round if she showed up. At the end of the night, she didn’t show, but right as I got out of the car my phone rang with a text message from her.

And that’s the reason I’m telling you all this. If you give a girl your number and she reaches out to you, you instantly know she wants to hang out. You know when you call or text that she’ll answer, and you know that if she’s busy tonight and says she wants a raincheck that SHE WILL ACTUALLY BE TELLING THE TRUTH. Now that’s not always my result, no shit. But guys, I’d rather have one girl a week get ahold of me, than take ten numbers where nine of them go nowhere.

Still don’t like what I’m saying? Fine, here’s one extra point to make: when you give a girl your number, tell her what message she needs to send you. Tell her to text you when she gets home safe, tell her to text you a good shot for you to have next at the bar, tell her to text you her favorite fucking color, doesn’t matter. Now she doesn’t have to decide how to start things off. You’ve set the interaction like this:

If you’re into me, send me this kind of message so I know it’s on between us.

And if you never hear from her, who gives a fuck? If she doesn’t, then she woulda been flaking from every invite if you did things the old-fashioned way.

Discuss/dialogue.
Author:  Mr. Assertive [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
Question:How does your interaction go with the girl before giving her your number, it probably factors in whether she contacts you at all. She has have some sort of hook or investment to think about you at all.


Edit: This is not for newbies. I get it now. I do agree that if a girl contacts you or texts you on her free will there is interest there that should be pounced on as soon as possible.
Author:  Wall1e [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
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Text game #2
Surprise, surprise
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I'm sure it would have been a sure close, but now I was forced to give my number to her, adding the name wallie, and letting her send it to me. Wrong! She nodded yes, but tomorrow when she wakes up and sees my name, she won't send the picture. I already know that.
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- Not sure if mentioned before but: Always TAKE the phone number, don't GIVE it to her. You're the one who makes the decisions, and the chances are that she will never reply (which I bet will happen).
It seems there are exceptions to this rule. And i'm one of the lucky guys to the exception. Right after typing the field report from last night, she texted me at 3.00 am. I was still awake, so I immediatly replied back. I couldn't believe my eyes, she actually replied. Now this is a rare occurance, mostly they aren't confident enough, but fortunately this girl is.
This is an actual piece of my journal. If you don't believe it, then here's the link: wallie-s-journal-vt141967-60.html first post.

It's strange, I've never really thought of SPAM my phone number to any girl, that night it just happened that I was a bit tipsy and unable to insert the number.

I"m not really sure. But the fact that she texted back that same night when she got back, then it shows there has to be some level of interest.

Though I think you could have explained it a bit more. Do you build very strong rapport with the girl, do you make out with them before, or have sex with them and then give the number? I'm curious about this kind of approach because to me it looks like a lot easier to screen for interested girls.

Wallie
Author:  xZEROx [ Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
this is simple and makes sense, going to start this, get girls chasing you etc.
Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
I actually read one game book and the advise was that it was better...if you can let the girl call you. WHy?

If she calls you then you know she is interested. Also, it establishes a habit...a habit of her pursuing you and thinking of you as someone to pursue.
Author:  DJ_Z [ Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
Glad to help:

as for how the interaction goes, I look at it pretty simply. When has a guy ever said "I'm working on this girl right now," gone well? The answer is never or damn close, because text messages won’t convince a girl who isn’t attracted to you to date, let alone fuck. So let’s just skip that whole phase by giving our numbers to the women. I can’t claim that I always get messages, or even half the time. But when I do, I know I can floor it and go for the close the next time we are out without fear. And after a while, you start to feel much more comfortable and bold when you’re out because of those positive reinforcements.

No shit the girl has to be into me…

What may be most important to this whole setup is that I don’t end the interaction by giving my number. After I do that, I usually continue to talk to her for a while. That may be the biggest mistake I used to make that happens with guys all the time. You chill with a woman, no matter how bad or good it goes, you get her number, then walk away. You know what that says? “okay, now that I got what I want from you, I’m leaving.” The moment a girl is on my good side, I give her my number, then we go back to whatever we were doing, talking, dancing, drinking, etc.

And yes, this sets up an entire frame (I hate pickup lingo, but this one is probably the best to use for my particular case here) where you have a goddamn life. You’re not going to spend a few weeks texting a girl because you work, go out, and live life to the fullest. So by giving her your number, you show an incredible amount of outcome independence. You are so happy in life that you don’t need her number to call/text in order to convince her to come out. That following weekend will be phenomenal, regardless, and you’re just giving her the means to join in.
Author:  Radar01 [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
hmm interesting, think I may field test it. But once you leave her there is nothing you can do.



What I think might be better would be getting her number and start flirting by text and establish communication before the end of the night. Best of both worlds surely? (will field test this as well.)
Author:  DirtyOS [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
Guys, this works great. I've been doing this for awhile and not only (as you guys say) do you know that she is interested when she contacts you, but there are so many fun ways to tweak the interactions. One thing I have found works like a charm is this:

In the beginning of the evening me and my buddies will go to a bar have a drink or two, and then go to the next one. barhopping. Just getting a feel for which places will be hot this evening and enjoying meeting new people.

When we leave some place, I'll get eye contact with a girl I haven't talked to in the bar, then just walk up to her, ignoring her friends if she is in a set, giving her my hand and going "Hey, I'm, Does, what's your name" she then says her name I give her a compliment and my number, and tell her I have to go, but that she can text me if she is still partying later and then we'll hook up and go dancing or clubbing or something.

When we settle down somewhere, I've usually giving out my number to around five girls, usually three text me later. Now this is gives me a lot of fun options.

1. I can sarge away, and just not answer them if everything is going great.
2. I can pick which one I'd rather see, and not answer the others
3. the next day, I can text those I didn't answer the night before, and say something along the lines of "sorry I didn't answer yesterday, my friend got a little too drunk and I had to get him home, hope you had fun anyway :)"

Every girl I know have been in this situation, their friend is drunk and they have to babysit her, they relate to this. When she answers (and she will) you can just start gaming her via text, then hit her up the next time you go out.

I actually settled down for around 6 months with a girl I did this to, and she said that she was just sitting there looking at me leaving the bar and thinking "but, but. He said was beautiful, why is he leaving??" and wanting to text me right away, but ended up waiting for two hours so she wouldn't seem needy. hahaha :)
Author:  Wall1e [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
Interesting, if you guys say this works then I'm more than willing to field test this myself
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Start giving out your number, stop taking numbers
Back in 2010 I experimented with this for like 8 months. Did nothing but give my number. What did I find out?

It doesn't really fucking matter.

Take numbers, give numbers, doesn't matter all that much. All the other stuff like making connections, sexual escalation, and other fundamentals matter a hell of a lot more.

What I have found to work the absolute best, however, is to trade numbers. Ask for her number then immediately send her a text, "its [name], save my number" then tell her to contact you if she wants to stay in touch. This puts the pressure on her to be the one to contact you first. However, because some girls wont contact you first (even if they like you a lot) or if she forgets or puts it off because shes massively busy (like a lot of high quality women are) then you have her number to text and follow up on.

Someone mentioned that they don't like to get 10 numbers only to have none of them respond or have to text for weeks before the meet up. If you have to do that then the problem isn't that your giving out your number its what you do before you give your number.

Only give your number to girls who actually are interested in you. How do you know which ones are interested? Do a simple test:

1) Before you propose the number exchange float the idea of a future meet. If she hesitates or doesn't seem enthusiastic then don't bother exchanging numbers because it will be a flake 99.9% of the time. she will simply not answer your text or just make you a text orbiter where she will text with you for weeks but never meet up. If she does respond well and seems interested, trade numbers.

2) If you have done the above (float the idea of a meet up) and she responds well and you trade numbers, go for a quick hug before you part ways. This can be done in daygame or night game. The tighter and more intimate the hug the more likely she is to meet up with you. If you go in for a hug and she barely touches you adn acts like she isn't comfortable, good chance she will flake. If, however, she tightly hugs you back then its most likely on. The tighter and more intimate the hug the more its on.

How does this work in real life? If she passes test 1 and you trade numbers and she also passes test 2 by giving you a good hug then shes a great lead. I usually text these girls later that night and arrange a meet. I don't pussy foot around.

"Whats your schedule like this week?"

For girls who pass both test 1 and 2 thats my first real text to them after we exchange numbers. I then set up a date for a day shes not busy.

If she pass test 1 but fails test 2 by giving you a weak hug then do the same as above. However, if when you text her asking about her schedule and she gives any resistance or an excuse... DELETE HER NUMBER. Sometimes they will then text you a few days later and if so, take it as a sign of interest and go for a meet again.

If you do all of the above then not only do you get the best of both worlds (both giving and taking her number) but you also wont waste time chasing uninterested women via text.
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