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Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  The Decider

What i don't like about approaches is that I feel it gives the girl power, power to accept you or reject you. This is especially true with direct approaches. I feel like there's a lot of qualification, atleast I feel that way. I don't think there is much qualification of the girl. Maybe its just me. How do you guys feel about it?

I feel like the girl has all the power and I get really annoyed with attitudes and bitchness. Especially, if its a girl thats not even all that.

Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Decider

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What i don't like about approaches is that I feel it gives the girl power, power to accept you or reject you. This is especially true with direct approaches. I feel like there's a lot of qualification, atleast I feel that way. I don't think there is much qualification of the girl. Maybe its just me. How do you guys feel about it?

I feel like the girl has all the power and I get really annoyed with attitudes and bitchness. Especially, if its a girl thats not even all that.
You aren't approaching correctly if she has all the power during a direct approach.

Your presence and where you come from should make her want to qualify for you.

Your physical interest in her doesn't mean she meets your overall standards, she meets a part of the requirements not all of them.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Decider

what? who has the power in your approaches though? who is the one making the decision to fuck or not. I want to be the boss

Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Decider

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what? who has the power in your approaches though? who is the one making the decision to fuck or not. I want to be the boss

YOU have the power not them. Your approach doesn't mean you won't reject her. You are granting her an interview based off of aesthetics. Don't complicate this by thinking you have to show value. Be value.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:46 pm ]
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Be value? Alright Bruce Lee.

I just think the person who wants the other person is in a weaker position emotionally.

Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:26 am ]
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Be value? Alright Bruce Lee.

I just think the person who wants the other person is in a weaker position emotionally.

Be value is the way to put it.... You don't need to fake value, it's impossible anyways.

The thing about it is there is all this bull shit talk about DHV and show you have value, but in the end the guy who is impressive doesn't shoot to impress. The guy who has value has no need to demonstrate it.

This is also why self-confidence and self-esteem is so big. It leaks out through your body language, in your words, your presence(or lack of), aura, etc. So being high value has less to do with having a million dollars and a 10000 dollar suit, it is looking like you are wearing one regardless of what you are wearing.

People will value you on the same level you show you value yourself (most of the time not all the time of course).

If you walk around everywhere with this "high value" attitude women will agree and they will look to qualify for you. You frame the situation not her. Showing her your physical interest doesn't mean she has already qualified completely for you. SHE STILL HAS TO SHOW SHE HAS MORE TO HER THAN LOOKS.

It's more about desire than want though bro (as crazy as that sounds since they literally mean about the same thing).

You desire her like you desire many other women, so she is a desirable woman but she's replaceable. I see 20 women I desire to fuck physically daily.... So what? Most of the time 19 of them don't meet my expectations in some manner, this is why I say they still have to qualify for you.

But if you want to be obsessed with the power bull shit that is seriously purely mental.... Stick with warm approaches, look to capitalize on initial attraction, so you are merely reciprocating their interest. If you need help reading attraction just check out the does she like me? show I go over a lot about reading attraction and you'll literally be able to read attraction everywhere.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Author:  Floson [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Decider

Invictus -

The power struggle you're talking about is a story you made up. It's a point of view on approaching, a perspective.

Just like any perspective, it's not reality.

The question is, does that story empower you? Do you get laid when you see yourself as giving up your power when you approach a woman? probably not.

So, whats a more empowering perspective to have? The one poeticlyskuac posted, or perhaps another one that gets you out of your head and talking to women without feeling like your losing something...

you get to choose, man.

Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:24 am ]
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The girl has the power to approve of you or disapprove of you until she wants you. I want to be the one with the power to reject. I don't want to be vulnerable. How do you approach from that type of empowered position where you make her want you and you are the one doing the chosing?

Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:27 am ]
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and its not just a mindset. its not just a tactic of qualification. Its an attraction. How do you approach with so much attraction, generating so much attraction in the female that you got power over her so to say.

Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:18 am ]
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and its not just a mindset. its not just a tactic of qualification. Its an attraction. How do you approach with so much attraction, generating so much attraction in the female that you got power over her so to say.
I had something really mean written up and chose to delete.

I'll leave it at this...

-The question was already answered (in this thread and several responses to your past posts).
-It is a mindset (comprised of all sorts of parts of you).
-Stop asking questions and learn to listen.
-Vulnerability is a must get over it.
-Listen to experience, we know what we are doing.

Note: Part of this mindset is assuming attraction or most certainly assuming you are attractive.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:33 pm ]
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How on Earth do you learn without asking questions?
I was not satisfied with the answers to my question so I asked more.


I don't want to be vulnerable. Don't get annoyed with me because I won't answers.

Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:21 pm ]
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How on Earth do you learn without asking questions?
I was not satisfied with the answers to my question so I asked more.


I don't want to be vulnerable. Don't get annoyed with me because I won't answers.

I'm annoyed because I already told you the answer to this...

You aren't satisfied with the answer... Well there is only one fucking answer, unless you want to pay hookers to get laid. On second thought this maybe a better idea for you since you don't want to follow courtship protocol.

You learn by listening to the answer NOT by asking questions.

You don't have a choice on vulnerability, stop acting as if you do. If you don't want to be vulnerable and get the girl then pay a hooker. That is the only way you can get women consistently without vulnerability.

You don't want answers you want some magic bullshit that doesn't exist. Otherwise you would just say oh ok, so I need to work on these areas.

Seriously stop asking questions if you don't want the actual answer, your lack of satisfaction with the answer doesn't change the fact that it is the correct answer.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:19 pm ]
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How on Earth do you learn without asking questions?
I was not satisfied with the answers to my question so I asked more.


I don't want to be vulnerable. Don't get annoyed with me because I won't answers.

I'm annoyed because I already told you the answer to this...

You aren't satisfied with the answer... Well there is only one fucking answer, unless you want to pay hookers to get laid. On second thought this maybe a better idea for you since you don't want to follow courtship protocol.

You learn by listening to the answer NOT by asking questions.

You don't have a choice on vulnerability, stop acting as if you do. If you don't want to be vulnerable and get the girl then pay a hooker. That is the only way you can get women consistently without vulnerability.

You don't want answers you want some magic bullshit that doesn't exist. Otherwise you would just say oh ok, so I need to work on these areas.

Seriously stop asking questions if you don't want the actual answer, your lack of satisfaction with the answer doesn't change the fact that it is the correct answer.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Dude you're arrogant. You learned a little now you think you know everything. You're always learning and you learn by asking questions. Socrates is considered one of the wisest men because he said I know I am a fool; I don't know anything. So there is the socratic method that used to continually ask questions in order to squeeze out the truth.

You could never be a teacher because you have no patience. Its what you judge to be the correct answer. Its what you think to be true. And I don't think its true. I am not satisfied. I am not convinced. So I ask questions until I am concieved because I am to go by my judgment not yours. That's how you push someone to think and to learn and to grow mentally and to give you a good explanation.

You accept vulnerability.I want to find a way to be less vulnerable. I want more power. I want to succeed more. I don't want to hurt women. I just want the ability to be the choser. Now telling me something is all in my head is nonsense and it insults my intelligence.

When I approach a girl I want her, I want to tap that ass. Beat that pussy up! Now, until she feels like she wants me and I turn her into a dick fiend...she has the power. Until She wants me she's interviewing me. MY question is how to turn the tables? How to approach someone and they just want you and you see them qualifiying themselves and giving lustful IOIs....saying "please fuck me, i need it bad. Please just let me suck your dick"....you know stuff like that. How I do that? How I get that? I'm tired of randomness, fuck that shit!

Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Decider

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How on Earth do you learn without asking questions?
I was not satisfied with the answers to my question so I asked more.


I don't want to be vulnerable. Don't get annoyed with me because I won't answers.

I'm annoyed because I already told you the answer to this...

You aren't satisfied with the answer... Well there is only one fucking answer, unless you want to pay hookers to get laid. On second thought this maybe a better idea for you since you don't want to follow courtship protocol.

You learn by listening to the answer NOT by asking questions.

You don't have a choice on vulnerability, stop acting as if you do. If you don't want to be vulnerable and get the girl then pay a hooker. That is the only way you can get women consistently without vulnerability.

You don't want answers you want some magic bullshit that doesn't exist. Otherwise you would just say oh ok, so I need to work on these areas.

Seriously stop asking questions if you don't want the actual answer, your lack of satisfaction with the answer doesn't change the fact that it is the correct answer.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Dude you're arrogant. You learned a little now you think you know everything. You're always learning and you learn by asking questions. Socrates is considered one of the wisest men because he said I know I am a fool; I don't know anything. So there is the socratic method that used to continually ask questions in order to squeeze out the truth.

You could never be a teacher because you have no patience. Its what you judge to be the correct answer. Its what you think to be true. And I don't think its true. I am not satisfied. I am not convinced. So I ask questions until I am concieved because I am to go by my judgment not yours. That's how you push someone to think and to learn and to grow mentally and to give you a good explanation.

You accept vulnerability.I want to find a way to be less vulnerable. I want more power. I want to succeed more. I don't want to hurt women. I just want the ability to be the choser. Now telling me something is all in my head is nonsense and it insults my intelligence.

When I approach a girl I want her, I want to tap that ass. Beat that pussy up! Now, until she feels like she wants me and I turn her into a dick fiend...she has the power. Until She wants me she's interviewing me. MY question is how to turn the tables? How to approach someone and they just want you and you see them qualifiying themselves and giving lustful IOIs....saying "please fuck me, i need it bad. Please just let me suck your dick"....you know stuff like that. How I do that? How I get that? I'm tired of randomness, fuck that shit!

There is a difference between arrogance and confidence.... Arrogance is believing you have value where you don't.... Confidence is believing you have value where you do.

You think I've learned a little? LOL - I know my shit, my reading list is huge dude, my experience and observations are abundant. Been around the community for 6 years.... Just saying dude.

I'm considered the resident body language expert dude, because of my obsession with not getting shot down. As someone who developed past that obsession I can honestly say the grass is far greener on this side.

You insult your own intelligence over and over and over and over... I've done nothing to help insult it(are you going to keep insulting it?).

Don't bring up wisdom when you repeatedly refuse it. I've brought you wisdom over and over again. You think I wanted to learn this shit the hard way? Fuck no, but unfortunately there is no easy way.

You want to know how to walk up and get girls to send you IOIs as soon as you approach.

Walk up be value: Which as discussed HIGH SELF-ESTEEM AND HIGH SELF-CONFIDENCE.

Your attitude should assume attraction. You just assume that you are a guy that women will be attracted to. As already stated....

Your power obsession is going to mean you will always fail. One of the posters on here brought up a great quote once: The most powerful thing you can do is give up all the power.

Damn you remind me so much of an old poster who got banned it's ridiculous... I'm seriously waiting for you to just admit that you are I want easy love.

You are so terrified about vulnerability if you had high self-esteem which we both know you have a huge ego and low Self-Esteem... you wouldn't be scared to be vulnerable. You wouldn't gain your esteem from others, you wouldn't be obsessed with this power because you'd realize it would be underlying within you.

You want to approach a girl and have you give out immediate IOIs, then walk up to her with total self-confidence and high self-esteem. You should be dressed tits. It should be read in your body language (which is part of your mindset, I can tell you that as the guy who is considered the local body language expert).

Then say "Hi, I felt obligated to walk up and introduce myself, I'm Invictus Two. You look very interesting, so I wanted to know more about you. What was your name?"

Hold strong eye contact until she looks down (an IOI), smile(or smirk), and extend your hand in a palm up fashion to assume the hand shake. Assume the attraction and as she introduces herself have a damn conversation where you build more attraction.

Other than that the only way you can have the game you are talking about is to be famous and have your reputation work for you... If that is the case go get famous.

Don't complicate this, your answer was there. It's your mindset that creates it, you say it's not mindset but don't have the mindset so how the fuck could possibly have a clue? Oh that's right you don't.

You say I don't have the patience to teach, but you can't teach those who have repeatedly refused the lesson. The student must be willing to learn, you want some answer that doesn't exist.

I've taught thousands of people via the forum, through messages, videos, and you want to lecture me on teaching.

At work my job is develop people.... When someone doesn't learn one way you try another, I was nice, now I've moved to mean.


Peace and Love,

Vic

Author:  AudacityOfHope [ Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Decider

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Dude you're arrogant. You learned a little now you think you know everything. You're always learning and you learn by asking questions. Socrates is considered one of the wisest men because he said I know I am a fool; I don't know anything. So there is the socratic method that used to continually ask questions in order to squeeze out the truth.

You could never be a teacher because you have no patience. Its what you judge to be the correct answer. Its what you think to be true. And I don't think its true. I am not satisfied. I am not convinced. So I ask questions until I am concieved because I am to go by my judgment not yours. That's how you push someone to think and to learn and to grow mentally and to give you a good explanation.

You accept vulnerability.I want to find a way to be less vulnerable. I want more power. I want to succeed more. I don't want to hurt women. I just want the ability to be the choser. Now telling me something is all in my head is nonsense and it insults my intelligence.

When I approach a girl I want her, I want to tap that ass. Beat that pussy up! Now, until she feels like she wants me and I turn her into a dick fiend...she has the power. Until She wants me she's interviewing me. MY question is how to turn the tables? How to approach someone and they just want you and you see them qualifiying themselves and giving lustful IOIs....saying "please fuck me, i need it bad. Please just let me suck your dick"....you know stuff like that. How I do that? How I get that? I'm tired of randomness, fuck that shit!

There is a difference between arrogance and confidence.... Arrogance is believing you have value where you don't.... Confidence is believing you have value where you do.

You think I've learned a little? LOL - I know my shit, my reading list is huge dude, my experience and observations are abundant. Been around the community for 6 years.... Just saying dude.

I'm considered the resident body language expert dude, because of my obsession with not getting shot down. As someone who developed past that obsession I can honestly say the grass is far greener on this side.

You insult your own intelligence over and over and over and over... I've done nothing to help insult it(are you going to keep insulting it?).

Don't bring up wisdom when you repeatedly refuse it. I've brought you wisdom over and over again. You think I wanted to learn this shit the hard way? Fuck no, but unfortunately there is no easy way.

You want to know how to walk up and get girls to send you IOIs as soon as you approach.

Walk up be value: Which as discussed HIGH SELF-ESTEEM AND HIGH SELF-CONFIDENCE.

Your attitude should assume attraction. You just assume that you are a guy that women will be attracted to. As already stated....

Your power obsession is going to mean you will always fail. One of the posters on here brought up a great quote once: The most powerful thing you can do is give up all the power.

Damn you remind me so much of an old poster who got banned it's ridiculous... I'm seriously waiting for you to just admit that you are I want easy love.

You are so terrified about vulnerability if you had high self-esteem which we both know you have a huge ego and low Self-Esteem... you wouldn't be scared to be vulnerable. You wouldn't gain your esteem from others, you wouldn't be obsessed with this power because you'd realize it would be underlying within you.

You want to approach a girl and have you give out immediate IOIs, then walk up to her with total self-confidence and high self-esteem. You should be dressed tits. It should be read in your body language (which is part of your mindset, I can tell you that as the guy who is considered the local body language expert).

Then say "Hi, I felt obligated to walk up and introduce myself, I'm Invictus Two. You look very interesting, so I wanted to know more about you. What was your name?"

Hold strong eye contact until she looks down (an IOI), smile(or smirk), and extend your hand in a palm up fashion to assume the hand shake. Assume the attraction and as she introduces herself have a damn conversation where you build more attraction.

Other than that the only way you can have the game you are talking about is to be famous and have your reputation work for you... If that is the case go get famous.

Don't complicate this, your answer was there. It's your mindset that creates it, you say it's not mindset but don't have the mindset so how the fuck could possibly have a clue? Oh that's right you don't.

You say I don't have the patience to teach, but you can't teach those who have repeatedly refused the lesson. The student must be willing to learn, you want some answer that doesn't exist.

Peace and Love,

Vic
Arrognace is more about how you interact with other people. YOu're arrogant because you think you know everything and you don't and you do not value the thoughts of others. I got experience, you got experience but you assume you're better than me. Walk up with self-confidence and self-esteem and assume attraction? That does not work. That does not work. IF that's your answer, thank you for the response but I don't believe it. I don't believe it because it doesn't work and I know from my experience. I've tried that...hit or miss.

YOu can't be a teacher because you're not patient. YOu want to brainwash someone with your personal opinions. You don't want to persuade someone you're right. YOu don't want to inspire someone that you're right. You seem like you think people have a duty to listen to you. A mentor helps and encourages; a mentor does not demand.

I don't have low self-esteem or a big ego. I'm just cocky funny sometime and I don't like losing. THat's the way I am, I like it and I'm not going to change.

Now, I told you what I want and I told you how you can help. If you don't have an answer: GOAWAY! Anythign else is just insulting my intelligence, meaning you telling me I'm wrong when I firmly believe I'm right.

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