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You do realize you're not improving your skills when you have to rely on a chemical, right?

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You do realize you're not improving your skills when you have to rely on a chemical, right?

Generally speaking that is true, but some people have chemical imbalances that cause all sorts of issues and if that's why he's taking anti-depressants, then there's no reason why not to take the best suited medication, just like adjusting your meds to accomidate exercise.

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You do realize you're not improving your skills when you have to rely on a chemical, right?

I still don't agree. People are depressed when something in their life is out of order. You'll always be depressed until the issue in question is resolved.

I don't have an old school opinion about this, there are countless studies and statistics showing people are being wrongly diagnosed with these "chemical imbalances".

And JUST in case someone tries to take this out of context, these chemical imbalances exist, but they are commonly mis-diagnosed and are RARE.

Has anyone experienced enhanced/diminished PUA skills from certain medications?

Has anyone taken SSRI antidepressants? I take Wellbutrin (which isn't an SSRI), and I think it has helped. On the other hand, I have a more difficult time talking to women (and people in general) when I'm charged up on Ritalin or Adderall.

Xanax absolutely kills all forms of anxiety.. But I've never sarged on it before, so I don't know if it kills one's creative force along with the anxiety.

I don't have an old school opinion about this, there are countless studies and statistics showing people are being wrongly diagnosed with these "chemical imbalances".

It's the same thing with people who "can't lose weight, because they have health issues!"

Give me a break.

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You know its funny, you goto WebMD, look up ADHD, and they list "overdiagnosis" as one of the myths about ADHD. They actually have footnotes and acknowelgements for studies that PROVE it isnt overdiagossed.

They clearly state (with acredited proof) that only about 3-7% of the population is diagnossed with ADHD. That doesnt sound overdone to me at all.

Author:	BillyWhiteSh0es [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:09 pm ]
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Has anyone experienced enhanced/diminished PUA skills from certain medications? Has anyone taken SSRI antidepressants? I take Wellbutrin (which isn't an SSRI), and I think it has helped. On the other hand, I have a more difficult time talking to women (and people in general) when I'm charged up on Ritalin or Adderall. Xanax absolutely kills all forms of anxiety.. But I've never sarged on it before, so I don't know if it kills one's creative force along with the anxiety.

Author:	The Bad Guy [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:21 pm ]
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You do realize you're not improving your skills when you have to rely on a chemical, right?

Author:	Rye Lee [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:04 am ]
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Quote: You do realize you're not improving your skills when you have to rely on a chemical, right? Generally speaking that is true, but some people have chemical imbalances that cause all sorts of issues and if that's why he's taking anti-depressants, then there's no reason why not to take the best suited medication, just like adjusting your meds to accomidate exercise.

Author:	The Bad Guy [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:51 am ]
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Quote: Quote: You do realize you're not improving your skills when you have to rely on a chemical, right? Generally speaking that is true, but some people have chemical imbalances that cause all sorts of issues and if that's why he's taking anti-depressants, then there's no reason why not to take the best suited medication, just like adjusting your meds to accomidate exercise. I still don't agree. People are depressed when something in their life is out of order. You'll always be depressed until the issue in question is resolved.

Author:	BillyWhiteSh0es [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:38 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: You do realize you're not improving your skills when you have to rely on a chemical, right? Generally speaking that is true, but some people have chemical imbalances that cause all sorts of issues and if that's why he's taking anti-depressants, then there's no reason why not to take the best suited medication, just like adjusting your meds to accomidate exercise. I still don't agree. People are depressed when something in their life is out of order. You'll always be depressed until the issue in question is resolved. I take Welbutrin for ADHD because I"m tired of taking stimulants. Many people who are clinically depressed do have lifestyle-independent "chemical imbalances" that are correctable by drugs. Prozac, Paxil, etc won't do a thing for someone unless they are genuinely depressed. So, to say that depressed people just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps is bush.

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Author:	Ka [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:55 am ]
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The Bad Guy, your mentality is very old school when it comes to mental disorder. The brain is the MOST COMPLICATED organ we have...why is it exempt from having problems like a heart or lungs? I for one, am ALWAYS depressed, i have what is called indoginous depression...it IS NOT caused by events, feelings, or anything external...it is simply a chemical problem in my brain. I too have been diagnossed with ADHD-IA and Depression. I was prescribed Wellbutrin and Concerta. Concerta is a med for ADHD and Wellibutrin has a wide range of uses from anxiety, to ADHD, and depression...i take it for depression. Recently i have not been able to afford my medications and have found alternate ways to deal with my symptoms. However, AS SOON as i can afford my medication again i WILL get back on them. They helped drasticlly in a way that no therapy or mentality can change. Im not saying medication is the only choice, but it is a valid and in many cases nessasary option. My recommendation to you Billy, is to take what helps you overcome your DIAGNOSED symptoms, and NOTHING more. I firmly beleive in overcomming self betterment issues like AA through real self improvement and permanent behavioral modification, and denounce use of alcohol or drugs to temporarily overcome such issues.... However mental disorders are not temporary, its no different then treating high blood pressure or using a crutch when your diabled. Remember that one of the aspects of your life, Health, is just as important to maintain as the other 2 aspects, and treating your mental disorders will help you fit in, function better, and feel better as well. Hope this helps PS: Im not claiming to be an expert, but i have educated myself about my disorders, i have seen a psychologist for about 5 years now. My cousin is in grad school for psychology, and i myself have taken some college level courses. If you would like to discuss ADHD or depression with me im an open book. Im more then willing to share my own experiences and opinions and am also willing to listen to yours and give advice if it is sought after. Simply PM me. Thanks

Author:	The Bad Guy [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:21 am ]
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I don't have an old school opinion about this, there are countless studies and statistics showing people are being wrongly diagnosed with these "chemical imbalances". It's the same thing with people who "can't lose weight, because they have health issues!" Give me a break.

Author:	The Bad Guy [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:28 am ]
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And JUST in case someone tries to take this out of context, these chemical imbalances exist, but they are commonly mis-diagnosed and are RARE.

Author:	Medic [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:42 am ]
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Quote: I don't have an old school opinion about this, there are countless studies and statistics showing people are being wrongly diagnosed with these "chemical imbalances". Please quote these studies. Also, please provide your medical credentials before any of your medical opinions can be taken seriously. Making a correlation between psychiatric conditions and metabolic conditions is truly like relating apples and oranges.

Author:	underdwg [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:52 am ]
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So, one of my ex-girlfriends from way back who had severe depression and would think there were real-life aliens in the closet and possibly that I was one too... and who's mental state was repaired while taking depression medications her doctor prescribed.. she was faking it right? And when she wanted to kill herself to escape from those horrible thoughts (b4 medication) .. that was misdiagnosed and fake too... right?? The Bad Guy, I think you need to have a serious talk with yourself and also educate yourself on this topic. It is not one to be taken lightly. Please educate yourself before you continue to make yourself look/sound like an ignoramus.

Author:	underdwg [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:57 am ]
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Quote: And JUST in case someone tries to take this out of context, these chemical imbalances exist, but they are commonly mis-diagnosed and are RARE. I highly doubt doctors run around screaming chemical imbalance at the slightest hint of depression. It's more than likely that yes, since there are so many different forms of depression. . some of which are do to chemical imbalances.. that it is hard for a doctor to hit the nail on the head the first time and it is common that they misdiagnose the TYPE of depression. Whether you will admit it or not depression is REAL it is not some made up disease and it rarely ever fixes itself by "getting over it"

Author:	underdwg [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:02 am ]
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Quote: Has anyone experienced enhanced/diminished PUA skills from certain medications? Has anyone taken SSRI antidepressants? I take Wellbutrin (which isn't an SSRI), and I think it has helped. On the other hand, I have a more difficult time talking to women (and people in general) when I'm charged up on Ritalin or Adderall. Xanax absolutely kills all forms of anxiety.. But I've never sarged on it before, so I don't know if it kills one's creative force along with the anxiety. I would think that taking said medications would improve your PUA skills especially the AA part of it. I am however not recommending everyone to slam some xanax before going out sarging.. but I believe some people experience far more AA than others due to depression or other phsycological problems. If your doctor has prescribed you something for those symptoms I don't see what it would harm.. unless it makes you a brainless zombie. However, if you have no material or do not know how to have a decent conversation... no amount of anti-depressants in the world will help improve your game.

Author:	Ka [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:41 am ]
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Quote: I don't have an old school opinion about this, there are countless studies and statistics showing people are being wrongly diagnosed with these "chemical imbalances". It's the same thing with people who "can't lose weight, because they have health issues!" Give me a break. You know its funny, you goto WebMD, look up ADHD, and they list "overdiagnosis" as one of the myths about ADHD. They actually have footnotes and acknowelgements for studies that PROVE it isnt overdiagossed. They clearly state (with acredited proof) that only about 3-7% of the population is diagnossed with ADHD. That doesnt sound overdone to me at all. DID it EVER occur to you that the reason for the growing number of diagnosses of mental illness is due to advancements in medical technology and a better understanding of how we work? Go ask someone who is 50 how many people had cancer 30 years ago, ask them how many people had AIDS...im sure that you will hear from them that almost no one had it or that they didnt even know about it. So are people being over diagnossed with cancer and AIDS now or is it just easy to make that call because science and medical technology and understanding have so greatly advanced? The only way i could understand the context for what you are saying The Bad Guy is if you were referencing people self diagnossing. In other words if someone tells you they have x,y,z and you ask them if they have been diagnosed by a doctor and they go, "Na, i just know i have x,y,z, because i do a,b,c.." Otherwise your mentality is the same as older people with outdated mentalities and views on reality. The Brain is an ORGAN, like any other. You can have a heart attack and die, or have a slight variant beat and live for a long time....your brain can be seriously messed up (retarded or crazy), or you can have slight problems that cause mildly abnormal behavior. You should get used to that notion.

Author:	Rye Lee [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:50 am ]
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Quote: Quote: I don't have an old school opinion about this, there are countless studies and statistics showing people are being wrongly diagnosed with these "chemical imbalances". It's the same thing with people who "can't lose weight, because they have health issues!" Give me a break. You know its funny, you goto WebMD, look up ADHD, and they list "overdiagnosis" as one of the myths about ADHD. They actually have footnotes and acknowelgements for studies that PROVE it isnt overdiagossed. They clearly state (with acredited proof) that only about 3-7% of the population is diagnossed with ADHD. That doesnt sound overdone to me at all. That doesn't sound unlikely, as according to the American Diabetes Association, about 18% of people over 60 at diabetic and although I'm not drawing a parallel at all, why is it less likely to have a brain chemical imbalance over a pancreas problem, they're both just genetics and they're both treated by artificially balancing out the levels of chemicals in the body.

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Author:	BillyWhiteSh0es [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:42 pm ]
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If you read primary literature at all, you will see that scientists have found characterizable genetic differences between obese and normal people . This is certainly not limited to obesity, I just use this disease as an example because most people think fat folks are just lazy and eat too much. I will agree there are people who are fat because they have poor eating and exercise habits, however, there are a number of genetic markers for obesity that people were born with. You could extend this logic to ADHD, certainly depression, Alzheimer's, etc.