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Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
There seems to be a general notion in the pickup community among fellow black dudes that seduction concepts and tactics cannot or does not work on black girls.



This is my thoughts on this notion (or misconception).

First of all; I KNOW it's bullshit since I pickup more black girls with PUA tactics than any other race.

Game and pickup works on any fucking chic, including black chics!

Check out the video below.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=-lLGD13ZiY4
Author:  puaninja [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
Nah, I've never heard anyone say that. It's pretty much unanimous that everyone believes pick up can be applied to all women of any ethnicity. The only issues would be like Islamic women or women of particular cultures that have very strict belief systems when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

The only thing about black chicks is that some white guys think they are harder to approach/game because they don't like white guys as much as black guys.
Author:  SE23 [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:50 pm ]
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Nah, I've never heard anyone say that. It's pretty much unanimous that everyone believes pick up can be applied to all women of any ethnicity. The only issues would be like Islamic women or women of particular cultures that have very strict belief systems when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

The only thing about black chicks is that some white guys think they are harder to approach/game because they don't like white guys as much as black guys.
I always thought that was true, but I've seen many black chicks checking out white guys, for some reason the media perpetuates this myth, that black chicks don't like white guys, don't know why. White chicks get livid when they see white men with black women, and i think some black men too.
Author:  puaninja [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:26 pm ]
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Nah, I've never heard anyone say that. It's pretty much unanimous that everyone believes pick up can be applied to all women of any ethnicity. The only issues would be like Islamic women or women of particular cultures that have very strict belief systems when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

The only thing about black chicks is that some white guys think they are harder to approach/game because they don't like white guys as much as black guys.
I always thought that was true, but I've seen many black chicks checking out white guys, for some reason the media perpetuates this myth, that black chicks don't like white guys, don't know why. White chicks get livid when they see white men with black women, and i think some black men too.
The only truth to it is the really ghettoish black girls who have only ever dated black guys since that's all they've ever been around in their community. They never had the chance to date white guys and the way they speak and their cultural differences keep them from meshing well with white guys.

I've dated a half dozen black women over the years and none of them were ghetto. I've actually been attracted to some of the ghetto ones before, in kind of trashy way, but those types don't even acknowledge white guys so nothing ever happened.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
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Nah, I've never heard anyone say that. It's pretty much unanimous that everyone believes pick up can be applied to all women of any ethnicity. The only issues would be like Islamic women or women of particular cultures that have very strict belief systems when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

The only thing about black chicks is that some white guys think they are harder to approach/game because they don't like white guys as much as black guys.
Good point PUANinja.

Good thing you mentioned that, so I'm now seeing that it's perception also. White guys may believe black girls are harder to game. And vice versa. Lots of black guys don't game white girls because they believe it's harder.

But I can't remember when exactly, but I can recall there were few posts on the forum where some black guys had expressed doubt that pickup works on black girls. I've heard this from other guys too.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:44 pm ]
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Nah, I've never heard anyone say that. It's pretty much unanimous that everyone believes pick up can be applied to all women of any ethnicity. The only issues would be like Islamic women or women of particular cultures that have very strict belief systems when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

The only thing about black chicks is that some white guys think they are harder to approach/game because they don't like white guys as much as black guys.
I always thought that was true, but I've seen many black chicks checking out white guys, for some reason the media perpetuates this myth, that black chicks don't like white guys, don't know why. White chicks get livid when they see white men with black women, and i think some black men too.
@SE23- Wow!

I would've never imagined this in a million years that white guys would believe that black girls don't like them.

You're right though about the media hype and push.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:47 pm ]
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Nah, I've never heard anyone say that. It's pretty much unanimous that everyone believes pick up can be applied to all women of any ethnicity. The only issues would be like Islamic women or women of particular cultures that have very strict belief systems when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

The only thing about black chicks is that some white guys think they are harder to approach/game because they don't like white guys as much as black guys.
I always thought that was true, but I've seen many black chicks checking out white guys, for some reason the media perpetuates this myth, that black chicks don't like white guys, don't know why. White chicks get livid when they see white men with black women, and i think some black men too.
The only truth to it is the really ghettoish black girls who have only ever dated black guys since that's all they've ever been around in their community. They never had the chance to date white guys and the way they speak and their cultural differences keep them from meshing well with white guys.

I've dated a half dozen black women over the years and none of them were ghetto. I've actually been attracted to some of the ghetto ones before, in kind of trashy way, but those types don't even acknowledge white guys so nothing ever happened.
Not even they are exceptions (the ghetto girls and hoodrats).

Even if you're tryna seduce a ghetto black chic, you still have to come with game.

Your pickup tactics may vary and you may need to calibrate and alternate openers and stuff, but PUA tactics would still work on them.

I've proved it in-field just as you have.
Author:  Chief [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
Ryan's (former mod here and trainer for Sasha's company) girlfriend is black. There's evidence for you right there.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:15 pm ]
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Ryan's (former mod here and trainer for Sasha's company) girlfriend is black. There's evidence for you right there.
Hey Chief my buddy lol!

I know for sure that black girls are just as seducible by PUA tactics as any other women.

I'm black, so I know this first hand too.

The naysayers doubt it though.

Wow, I didn't know Ryan Oceros had a black GF!

Haven't seen him on the forum lately neither.
Author:  360dagod [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
with black women,you gotta play the cocky game..but in a subtle,funny way..

I talk shit to them and dominate them with a smile on my face..lol
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
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with black women,you gotta play the cocky game..but in a subtle,funny way..

I talk shit to them and dominate them with a smile on my face..lol
Maybe is because I game black girls more, but I find black girls to be easier (for me).

As for the cocky and amping it up, I haven't really looked at it.
Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:46 pm ]
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with women,you gotta play the cocky game..but in a subtle,funny way..

I talk shit to them and dominate them with a smile on my face..lol

There fixed it for you..... What is with this concept that any type of women (ethnicity) requires that much different a tactics?

I will admit that culturally that can be a huge difference in game meaning a girl in London versus a girl in the states, hell even a girl in Utah here is MUCH harder to game than a girl in Vegas. Gaming a girl in NYC is different than gaming a girl in Cali but that doesn't mean the basic overall pick up process isn't similar just slight changes based on proxemics, local fashion, and culture in general.

Hell even in Utah where I work gaming girls is different than downtown or by my house but not that different that you need to change a whole lot.

This is also why I believe in being the responsive man, if you know how to respond to women pick up is VERY easy. Then culture really doesn't change much because you are using a very situational game versus being a guy who just thinks one thing works.

A good instance of culturally related game was Stelar and his Apocalypse Shock and Awe opener, he talks about doing that but in Romania (if I remember correctly) the culture is very different, being very assertive is an attractive feature where as here in Utah being that assertive is far too aggressive and you can scare girls off very quickly if you don't know how to filter them out through body language.

Just my thoughts on this concept that PUA tactics don't work on any particular ethnic group.

Peace and Love,

Vic
Author:  7000 [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
Asking whether game works on 'black girls' suggests a lack of understanding of both human nature and game.

Human nature misunderstanding - black and white girls is far too wide to band together. You will get some black and white girls who are full on slutty types, you will get some black and white girls who are right down the other end of the scale and are very prim and proper, you will get everything in between. In some areas you might get more ghetto black girls. In other areas you might get more prim and proper white girls. In different areas though, you might get more black girls who are prim and proper and you might get white girls who think they're ghetto. You can't band 'white girls' and 'black girls' together in different groups necessarily.

Game misunderstanding - you seem to think there is a one size fits all thing called 'game'. There's not. Different girls react to different things. If you go up to two different girls, you will need to tweak your game slightly. Perhaps one is shy and one is loud. You get shy white girls and shy black girls, you get loud white girls and loud black girls.

That is where responsiveness and awareness of the girl comes in - you and your game need to be fluid in some aspects to make a connection with any girl. So don't think about whether game works on 'black girls', think whether it works on the specific black (or white) girl you're trying to game. If it doesn't, that's not because black girls aren't responsive to game, it's because you haven't gamed that particular black girl well enough!
Author:  puaninja [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Do Pickup PUA Techniques Work On Black Girls?
Good points 7G. I'm going to be putting all of this to the test tonite! Gonna' run the Freud test on her too and see if that helps any.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:20 pm ]
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You will get some black and white girls who are full on slutty types, you will get some black and white girls who are right down the other end of the scale and are very prim and proper
There is no such thing as this distinction.

Girls will:

(1) Act according to how you treat them. The same girl will spend one night being taken out to dinner by a classic "nice guy" who won't dare try and sleep with her on the 2nd date because she'll play the part by acting like a "nice girl." Then the next night she'll go out with her friends and a guy will be physical, take the lead and escalate hard, and she will go home with him and sleep with him within a few hours of meeting, with barely a word spoken between them.

(2) Change what they're looking for over time. During one phase of the same girl's life, she'll be going out a lot and be happy to hook up with a few guys and have a bunch of casual relationships going on simultaneously. A few years later, she'll be looking to settle down and spend lots of time with the same one guy, and will reject guys who display the same qualities that used to make her want to have one night stands with them.

(3) Use the word "slut" to attack girls they feel threatened by. "Slut" means "girl who's having more sex than I approve of." It reflects a terrible double standard in society whereby a woman is looked down upon simply for engaging in mutually-agreed sex with someone simply because she enjoys it, rather than holding out so she can use sex as a tool to extract wealth (or promises thereof) out of a man.

The best way to enable a woman to be comfortable sleeping with you relatively quickly is to show you are completely non-judgemental, that you will take all responsibility for the sexual act, and that she will not be judged or criticised in any way for having sex with you simply because she wants to. Using words like "slut" will not get you any closer to cultivating, or articulating, this mindset.

As for the OP, good game works on ALL women, there are considerations to be factored in for different cultures and in different countries, but the fundamental principles are always the same.
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