PUA Forum :: Alcohol vs. PUA

There is a binge-drinking problem in the UK. Before I started playing the game I was very much a part of this. Nearly every time I went out drinking I would not remember when I stopped drinking, because I would drink so much. Big parts of the night would be missing and I would have a hang over for the whole of the remaining day. Another result of drinking so much would be insomnia the following night. Although I would only do this once a week, it would still affect me in a big way. It would affect, relationships with friends, family, co-workers, my work, college, sleeping patterns, nearly every part of my life. JUST FROM ONE NIGHT OUT A WEEK. Mid way through last year I decided that I would give up alcohol for good. I did 3 months with no help what so ever. I don’t think that I caved in or anything, more I rather decided to drink again because I couldn’t remember/realise the reasons I quit in the first place. When I started drinking again I went easier on the beer for a bit but before too long I was doing the same as before, seriously binge drinking.
Now I have been playing the game for a few weeks. Since I have read ‘The Game’ I have tried to become a PUA. And since I have done this I can honestly say that I have cut my drinking down drastically. I can remember everything I have done and have even driven for a couple of nights out. I want to stay sober so I can remember my technique and everybody knows it is easier to calibrate when sober.
However I have come across a sticking point. It seems as though my game improves a hell of a lot if I have a couple of pints (2-4). I know the alcohol makes me more relaxed so I can chat more. I am fairly certain that I don’t do it to combat the AA (although it helps) because I have approach women in the day sober. It just seems that I can chat more after a couple of beers. So on a night out now I will only drink enough so I can play the game. I really want to overcome this, I want to play the game sober, even though it seems 100% harder and I can’t really see any downsides. It just seems like I am playing properly if I am sober.
The main point I am trying to make is that I feel that I am a regular guy that is court up in the binge-drinking age. From my experiences, the only reason I drank so much is so I might chat to women. I honestly believe that is why most males around my age (18-30) drink. I have never once felt like I am an alcoholic as I never relied on alcohol but I can understand why I wanted to drink to chat with women, and I genuinely feel why my friends drink this way, and why most of the population for my age drink this way. Obviously there are some exceptions. I have never felt that my alcohol consumption as ever been a major problem in my life but now I really think I can drink responsibly and hopefully quit completely soon
Anybody who can help from going from playing the game with a couple of pints to playing with none, please give me pointers.

Thanks for reading and I have had 2 pints tonight so anything that doesn’t make sense, I will hopefully change tomorrow.

Look forward to reading your comments.

Zennui

Author:	zennui [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:33 am ]
Post subject:	Alcohol vs. PUA
There is a binge-drinking problem in the UK. Before I started playing the game I was very much a part of this. Nearly every time I went out drinking I would not remember when I stopped drinking, because I would drink so much. Big parts of the night would be missing and I would have a hang over for the whole of the remaining day. Another result of drinking so much would be insomnia the following night. Although I would only do this once a week, it would still affect me in a big way. It would affect, relationships with friends, family, co-workers, my work, college, sleeping patterns, nearly every part of my life. JUST FROM ONE NIGHT OUT A WEEK. Mid way through last year I decided that I would give up alcohol for good. I did 3 months with no help what so ever. I don’t think that I caved in or anything, more I rather decided to drink again because I couldn’t remember/realise the reasons I quit in the first place. When I started drinking again I went easier on the beer for a bit but before too long I was doing the same as before, seriously binge drinking. Now I have been playing the game for a few weeks. Since I have read ‘The Game’ I have tried to become a PUA. And since I have done this I can honestly say that I have cut my drinking down drastically. I can remember everything I have done and have even driven for a couple of nights out. I want to stay sober so I can remember my technique and everybody knows it is easier to calibrate when sober. However I have come across a sticking point. It seems as though my game improves a hell of a lot if I have a couple of pints (2-4). I know the alcohol makes me more relaxed so I can chat more. I am fairly certain that I don’t do it to combat the AA (although it helps) because I have approach women in the day sober. It just seems that I can chat more after a couple of beers. So on a night out now I will only drink enough so I can play the game. I really want to overcome this, I want to play the game sober, even though it seems 100% harder and I can’t really see any downsides. It just seems like I am playing properly if I am sober. The main point I am trying to make is that I feel that I am a regular guy that is court up in the binge-drinking age. From my experiences, the only reason I drank so much is so I might chat to women. I honestly believe that is why most males around my age (18-30) drink. I have never once felt like I am an alcoholic as I never relied on alcohol but I can understand why I wanted to drink to chat with women, and I genuinely feel why my friends drink this way, and why most of the population for my age drink this way. Obviously there are some exceptions. I have never felt that my alcohol consumption as ever been a major problem in my life but now I really think I can drink responsibly and hopefully quit completely soon Anybody who can help from going from playing the game with a couple of pints to playing with none, please give me pointers. Thanks for reading and I have had 2 pints tonight so anything that doesn’t make sense, I will hopefully change tomorrow. Look forward to reading your comments. Zennui

Author:	blazer [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:27 am ]
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I have a similar problem you can view my post here as a reply to a previous poster: how-much-is-too-much-vt15005.html I was in a similar situation; drinking made me act like a bit of a wanker. I hate to think what it would look like if I was filmed. As you mentioned I too I was concerned about dependancy; it's such a fine line between being a binge drinker and an alcoholic and people can easily make the switch. Quote: I honestly believe that is why most males around my age (18-30) drink. I have never once felt like I am an alcoholic as I never relied on alcohol but I can understand why I wanted to drink to chat with women, and I genuinely feel why my friends drink this way, and why most of the population for my age drink this way. I think you're half right. I think shy males (like myself) may drink to become socially comfortable not jus around the opposite sex but also to appear more fun/funny in-front of their friends. I think others do it cos they like that "drunken" feeling and others because their friends do it; not out of peer-presure simply out of habit. Quote: Also if you're out sarging I would recommend opening a set before drinking even if it's for practice with no intention of picking-up, just to get used to it. This is my tip from the other thread. It also increases social status if girls see you chatting to other groups. Also as Mystery said smile when entering a club and use the 3-second rule. Some tips: Maybe try opening one set as above on one night, and then go for 3 sober the next time and work your way up. Open more set during the day when sober to get less AA through practice. Maybe go out at night (before the pub/bar/club) to a place which doesn't serve alcohol to get practice (e.g. coffee shop - many open lateish, cinema - chat to the foyer girls, people in ques etc, flyer girls - they're hired guns but will be up for a chat). As you've said simply drink less when out; also if you drink a coke or red bull you can tell anyone it has vodka if you're worried people will accuse of being "boring" (unlikely though). Take less money out - One of my problems was I used to take £20 out and spend it all on booze, that bought me 8+ drinks. If I took £10 out it halfs it. Another tip leave early, e.g. go home an hour earlier instead. View yourself how you look/act on alcohol (visualisation exercise) and think "fuck that, I don't want to be like that". Maybe have a serious drinking session and get a mate to record you on a camera phone (without telling you), so you can judge for yourself. Think how much better you'll be when sober, when chatting to women. All the other guys, slurring their words, stumbling over their feet, making shit jokes which aren't funny even if you're hammered and you'll be sober, coherent and skilled. Easy. Hope that helps. As I said I'm in a similar boat but I'm not going to quit just cut down so I don't make a cunt of myself everytime I'm out. I'm sure you came to the same conclusion as this: but I've been drinking for a while (I'm in my twenties) and I always thought I could handle drink but I actually can't handle large ammounts, can't believe how long it took for me to realise it.

Author:	mohito [ Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:44 pm ]
Post subject:	All true
It's true that the drinking thing is an issue. I find I have a window somewhere between 2-4 pints where I am relaxed and comfortable and can run some good stuff. After that, forget it.

Author:	badtaste humour. [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:37 am ]
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Hi Zennui, You touched on some relevant issues for me, so I thought i'd reply.. After 10 years of drinking hard, and experimenting with various rates of intoxication vs sucess im now deciding to stop drinking altogether- Primarily cos my diet wont allow alcohol.. But anyway, I long ago realised that the magic of alcohol didnt have to do with how much I drank, but simply the fact that Id drank at least 'some'. You see, my theory is built upon a short story by Aldous Huxley where he refers to something that exists like 'another world' that people who are drunk actually inhabit. So, when im dead sober the only way I can access that sense of 'fluid fun and open energetic excieteness' is through a lil meditation or NLP.. Which isnt always practical. . not in a hurry in a crowd anyway.. the short cut that I found may seem strange, but it really helps me 'fit into' the world of alcohol, without wasting money, killing my liver, or scaring off the other striaght girls that may be out.. What I do is this: I dip my finger into a tiny amount of the drink that I wanna be in the same zone as, and I place and hold it under my tongue. This is the same way the homepathic medicine works, and when you're dead sober you will actually feel a small shift. This is all I need to be free of the anoyance of drunks bumping into me, fat girls staring too hard, and overagressive dudes that i'd normally wanna knock out. You can only try it and see. After all, its free advice:) Please tell me how it goes, and if it works that easy for you too.

Author:	slight [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:26 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Alcohol vs. PUA
Quote: There is a binge-drinking problem in the UK. Before I started playing the game I was very much a part of this. Nearly every time I went out drinking I would not remember when I stopped drinking, because I would drink so much. Big parts of the night would be missing and I would have a hang over for the whole of the remaining day. Another result of drinking so much would be insomnia the following night. Although I would only do this once a week, it would still affect me in a big way. It would affect, relationships with friends, family, co-workers, my work, college, sleeping patterns, nearly every part of my life. JUST FROM ONE NIGHT OUT A WEEK. Mid way through last year I decided that I would give up alcohol for good. I did 3 months with no help what so ever. I don’t think that I caved in or anything, more I rather decided to drink again because I couldn’t remember/realise the reasons I quit in the first place. When I started drinking again I went easier on the beer for a bit but before too long I was doing the same as before, seriously binge drinking. Now I have been playing the game for a few weeks. Since I have read ‘The Game’ I have tried to become a PUA. And since I have done this I can honestly say that I have cut my drinking down drastically. I can remember everything I have done and have even driven for a couple of nights out. I want to stay sober so I can remember my technique and everybody knows it is easier to calibrate when sober. However I have come across a sticking point. It seems as though my game improves a hell of a lot if I have a couple of pints (2-4). I know the alcohol makes me more relaxed so I can chat more. I am fairly certain that I don’t do it to combat the AA (although it helps) because I have approach women in the day sober. It just seems that I can chat more after a couple of beers. So on a night out now I will only drink enough so I can play the game. I really want to overcome this, I want to play the game sober, even though it seems 100% harder and I can’t really see any downsides. It just seems like I am playing properly if I am sober. The main point I am trying to make is that I feel that I am a regular guy that is court up in the binge-drinking age. From my experiences, the only reason I drank so much is so I might chat to women. I honestly believe that is why most males around my age (18-30) drink. I have never once felt like I am an alcoholic as I never relied on alcohol but I can understand why I wanted to drink to chat with women, and I genuinely feel why my friends drink this way, and why most of the population for my age drink this way. Obviously there are some exceptions. I have never felt that my alcohol consumption as ever been a major problem in my life but now I really think I can drink responsibly and hopefully quit completely soon Anybody who can help from going from playing the game with a couple of pints to playing with none, please give me pointers. Thanks for reading and I have had 2 pints tonight so anything that doesn’t make sense, I will hopefully change tomorrow. Look forward to reading your comments. Zennui I couldnt agree with you more!Its like that in Ireland too! The trick is ...to try to "JUST not give a fuck" cos if things do go wrong you cant hide behind the drink..."the drink made me do it" attitude. Now just think "ohh I fucked up ...cool...yeah..ill try not to do that again..but if it happens it happens...meh"..next set!next set next set!

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