there was some german guy who tested this out, he asked 100 girls if they wanted to come to bed with him as a way to start a conversation and recorded his findings for a study, it was something like 7 out of 100 were up for it

there was also some other social psych test done in america where these guys got this attractive guy to go do the same thing, but no girls out of 100 wanted to just sleep with him, but in their research after interviewing these girls, they found that quite a few were interested in dating the guy

ironically though, it's hard to trust a girl's word since in both of these instances neither guy was actually going all the way to test the compliance, and it has been noted before in other social psych literature that women are notorious for saying one thing, while responding in a way completely different from what was stated

one top of that, on a personal level, my wing field tested the appocolypse opener one time, and got laid, so in terms of real practical empirical evidence, 100% success, it's worth a field test if you are interested in something to help build up some balls or something, but it's not really a solid way of making a connection with someone and most of the success involved in something like this would be almost completely dependant on your first impression

Let me explain a little more. I would not use this as an opener, but as a closer. I would use it after a good approach and you have isolated the girl somewhere like your crib.

The situation would be like this. You two are alone. You know she likes you. You know you have impressed her. However, you don't know if she wants sex. You want sex. So you ask her...."would you like to have sex?" What do you guys think of that? I think no one does this. And I thin girls may say no if she feels embarassed about saying yes even if she wants to, but if you made her feel comfortable, proud to say yes then...

I think this is a good idea because closing by kino alone can be awkward if you don't know quite what you want to do to her yet or if you don't now if she wants to have sex.

SO the goal would be to get her to be comfortable saying what she wants.

I feel that if a guy makes a move with a girl and is awkward in doing so he can turn her off and even if she wanted to sleep with him, Even if she intended to sleep with him, awkwardness would turn her off...

No, it would not be a good idea to ask a girl for sex in that manner you described.

I think a better option that still communicates the same basic message is, "Are you ready to go?"

For one, it's not nearly as classless as your suggestion, meaning she is less likely to feel like a 'dirty slut' as a result of you asking it. It also implies that her going home with you is a foregone conclusion rather than something up for debate. You're not asking her IF she wants to, but WHEN, which is always a more useful conversational frame - not to mention more successful.

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imo, depends on the girl, and depends on the level of interest, some girls will go for that perfectly smooth shit to feel less easy, some like a guy who seems tough so they can feel safe, some girls seek out abuse to relive trauma and feed their LSE, some like fun, some go for nerdy guys cause seducing a guy who's hard to get is a turn on, depends, there is no universal perfect and value is subjective

let's say johnny from english class who is all shy and awkward and is the definition of insecure shy introvert, but lets say he could be brad pitt's twin and is considered the ''hottest guy in school'' by the vast majority of the female population there, he goes to class, jenny from english eagerly gets johnny's attention but he's clueless, she initiates a chat by staring at him to the point he thinks she's creepy and finally talks to her, she gets frustrated cause he's not escalating, she does everything she can, tells him hes georgous, laughs at all his jokes and anything that could be mistaken for remotely funny, pretends everything he says is great, tries to do favours for him, smiles 24/7, asks him what he's doing this week, tells him that sounds awesome, gives him clues she's not busy, no matter how clueless he is, she still hangs in there giving him sign after sign after sign to the point she looks needy and is almost harassing johnny for attention

johnny finally just clues in, and says, hey you're kind of annoying could you just leave me alone you're like a stalker and I don't like you, this pisses her off and breaks her heart at the same time, she wants nothing to do with johnny anymore, what a jerk asshole that johnny is!, blah blah blah, he isn't shit blah blah!!, who does he think he is, soo into himself she'd never like a guy like that!!, so on and so on, but then just like needy guys do, she is still attracted to him big time cause he is so hot, so she will find a way to rationalize why he is good even if he treats her like shit (halo effect) and find reasons she needs him, even though he's insecure and not fun to be around, finally after considering the possiblities for easy sex, he descides meh, I'll chuck and fuck if she's so easy, so one day after class johnny awkwardly just gets his balls in order, ''hey jenny, you want to go to my place and fuck?''... she agrees and they have sex, johnny never meets her or talks with her again and spreads nasty romours about her being a slut and everyone lived sadly ever after but even after all this... jenny still tries desperately to text him and hook him for a relationship, calling/texting 20x a day until johnny has a full blown spaz attack and tells her she is crazy and blocks her number THE END

^ in these sorts of cases, being smooth is so irrelivant it isn't funny, sometimes with specific girls that are really into you, you have to do something SERIOUSLY fucked up to cock block yourself, and even then, there is potential to recover, and being ''smooth'' or ''awkward'' really won't make a difference at all between compliance and non compliance, but you won't really be bringing value by puting the onus of responsibility on her, you will be devalueing the proposition, but you can still get the girl IN SPITE of these actions rather then because of them

OTOH, if little sarah gets opened by david from work, and sarah thinks david is absolutely average to slightly below average and is right on the fence of yes/no, I donno, don't think I'd have a kid with this guy or want to see him naked, but he is sort of fun to be around and he's sweet and it is teeter tottering back and fourth, he better be every bit charming, smooth and cool as he can be, making as little of an issue for her as possible, or any small mistake could tip the scales from a yes, to a no, asking outright, wanna fuck? may set off the what are you trying to use me for sex? sort of rage, ''IM NOT THAT KIND OF GIRL'' etc., where as since she is on the fence if david just started some light touching not really giving her much of a choice, turning her on gradually, and smoothly just eased into kissing, she might have more of an AHHH FUCK IT, WE'RE ALREADY MAKING OUT, reaction rather then an IM NOT THAT EASY!! reaction, in the same way, lets go back to my place and play some poker, is less likely to set off alarm bells then, lets go back to my place and have sex etc. etc.

think of it just like if your female version of ''I would have to be drunk to sleep with this girl'' was trying to game you, what would she have to do to pull it off if you were right on the fence?, what sort of value would she have to bring to the table to bring the ''I donno about this'' all the way to a ''ok, guess we'll do this''

but really you might be placing too much value on the idea of perfect escalation, and perfect social skills, it's easier to think of getting laid from the point of view of screening for proper chemistry and interest and moving things forward, rather then trying to get every girl you meet even if there is little to no interest or chemistry, you just assume attraction, act the part, see if she's what you want, and move things towards sex, she either follows or she doesn't, and if she doesn't it's no skin off your back the sooner you figure it out the better, and then it's on to the next one

meet some other guys who don't have problems getting girls might help shift your reality also, after you see a girl sit down on your buddy's lap at a party and open him with WANNA FUCK?, it can sort of shift your reality from ''girls are little flowers that need to be respected and sex is icky to them unless you sneakily convince them to give it up in a sneaky jedi mind trick sort of way'' to ''girls just want to be bent over for the right guy in the right situation''

and if that's not enough seeing one of your friends routinely verbally abuse/embarass his girlfriend and has her still stick it out with him at all costs for multiple years and live with him, you sort of see that ''smoothness'' and proper ''calibration'' is sometimes not all that important when in the right situations, good communication and social intelligence are an asset not nessicarily a prerequiset, it adds value to your cause, but does not define the percieved value

especially considering the guy managed to bed her on the first night he met her at a party by making jokes about having a small penis, such as ''hey, what are you thinking of? sucking a big cock?, too bad mine's little!'' etc., borderline vulgar statements that some guys would claim will get you ''slapped'' and for the most are just borderline offensive, in this particular instance, made no difference, and it's likely he keeps her around IN SPITE of these actions, not due to them

things like not being reactive and awkward, are sort of like, little tweeks to your game that all add little bits and pieces of value, gradually making you more and more attractive compared to what you would be if you didn't have these chunks as part of your game, but no one specific thing will nessicarily make or break you nessicarily usually it is giant combanation of things even if that is not how it is rationalized on the surface, it is so dependant on the girl, the situation, and what she subjectively values and how you line up with that, it's like saying if a girl was really awkward in her attempt to sleep with you, it might turn you off to the idea, that may be true if she held little value to you, if a girl was sort of bitchy and she barley mattered to you, you probably wouldn't want to put up with it or care, if a girl was extremely valuable to you, and you felt like you needed to get her attention and approval, you would ignore just about any short comming she had to reach your objective and most likely be fairly compliant to her wants

but realistically, there are a lot of reasons why, want to have sex? would lower the value, rather then raise it, but can it work? yea, you could work that in the right situation, with the right girl

It makes so much more sense to start kissing her, slowly touching her, etc etc etc. She will get in the mood and you will most likely have sex.