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Author:  Paramount21 [ Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Correlation between race and how fast you learn game (SRS)
As of late I have managed to up my game a lot, I am more confident and have had some success. Slowly but surely I am starting to see my race as being less of a barrier than I used to. I used to believe after:

1. Reading online forums about how undesirable Indian men are
2. Having never in my life seen an Indian guy with a White or any girl outside his own race

that

1. Me being Indian would be a major handicap
2. I would never be as good as a Latino, Black, or White guy
3. Women will automatically ignore me because of my ethnic background

Anyways. In my journey to learning game or basically gaining confidence, I figured out something. I had to walk a path that a White, Black, or Hispanic guy would never have to walk.

See, a White guy knows and sees other White men being successful and dating all races and so does a Black or Hispanic guy. Because you have so many cases of those guys dating out.

On the other hand, us Indian and to an extent even Asian guys, have to go in with the pioneer mentality. Even Asian men have seen some examples of Asian guys having success.

Indian guys have to pave their own way pretty much.

I had to be SURE to avoid other Indians as they would cripple my self esteem and say "a white girl is too much out of your league". I had to set an example because there was no Indian guy to set an example for me here in America. We got UNFAIRLY stereotyped, we wrote the Kama Sutra yet we get the geek stereotype and all that crap.

It was tough for me, it was really really tough to hear all that crap about my skin color and people telling me I couldn't do it because they had never seen an Indian player before or whatever.

I just believe learning game is a unique yet difficult experience for Asian and Indian men as opposed to a Hispanic or Italian guy.
Author:  Junglepimp [ Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:59 pm ]
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Not that I have much of a clue about the scene for Indian men outside of India, but in India, owing to the conservative mentality of both, the women and the rest of the people, the scene sure has a lot of scope for betterment.
Author:  skills360 [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:29 pm ]
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hey dude everything matters including race, but as you can see you overcame those obstacles you did not have it as easy as other races, but back in the day when i used to get on you, is to make the point that was possible, EVERYTHING MATTERS, but there are ways around each and every obstacle. I did a post on race and the correlations to game a while back and i got killed.
White men have it easier in white demographics settings, for example when i was in Miami, it was very easy for me almost effortless to game. When i move an hour away from Miami it was a little harder but still kind of effortless due to the huge hispanic population, the change came when i move 3 hours away from Miami to West Palm which is mainly white, it is way much harder to game compare to Miami.

Black men, have not as much of a hard time, cause women have fantasies about black man, and they are stereotyped as good in bed, and big dick.

Asians, and indians: May have a harder time gaming in general but is doable just a bit more work and effort...Unless you go to social circle, let say a club were all the indians get together in a particular night etc...

Anyways my opinion, with that being said i have seen as i told you before indian guys with white girls at the clubs, one girl rejected me at one point cause she was on a date with an indian in the club, she was pretty hot too...

The problem i have with you, is your constant obsession and rehashing the whole thing over and over and over and over again, in different post saying the same thing in different ways. But actually your last 2 post are kind of good and positive for a change. :)
Author:  Hunter_Foxe [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:57 pm ]
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Asian guys do not have a harder time with pickup due to western women finding them biologically less attractive, regardless of what women on YouTube or forums say. PUAs are often quoted as saying that they disregard anything women say on the subject of sexual attraction and in this case, it is relevant. Female perception of Asians is pure social engineering from an early age, influenced by their social peers, media and their own association fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy which develops as a result. You will find that western women who grow up in Asian countries will tend to be attracted to Asian guys just as much as western guys (depending on their level of exposure to men either of their own race or Asians respectively).

It's actually western MEN who are the ones who actively spread the view of Asian (particularly Oriental) men of being sexually inadequate, starting with early depictions of their way of life and appearance through to the stereotypes in the earliest "martial arts" movies of the 20th century (which predominantly featured white men dressed up in an Asian way). Nowadays, you only have to look at porn sites and the evidence is there. Any movies featuring Asian men such as Keni Styles having sex with white women have really low ratings (between 20% and 45%), yet the same actresses performing with black porn stars have as high a rating as white-on-white porn. When people see a white guy with a beautiful Asian woman, it's considered ok, but there is something about seeing an Asian guy with a beautiful white woman which makes certain western guys' blood boil with rage, I would say it's worse than when guys see a black guy dating a white girl. I personally believe it could be rooted in the jealousy of their higher than average intelligence and perhaps their youthful women, but this still baffles me.

Another debilitating factor for oriental men is their own minds, the fact that they are brought up to be extremely polite and to hide their true emotions / motives in public situations. This makes dating a very difficult experience for Asian men, hence the need for match-making companies and arranged marriages. This is why Asians brought up in a fully western environment (eg. adopted by white parents) are much better at pickup than their fully Asian and 2nd / 3rd generation counterparts.

I refute the idea that Asian guys have it harder. It's just a combination of social engineering in the west aimed at western women (promoted by western MEN) and far eastern culture and upbringing which induces extreme shyness in Asian men. So my point is, any perceived or actual bias against Asians is artificially engineered, not biological.

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Author:  Junglepimp [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:15 pm ]
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Yeah^. To reiterate, Asians/Indians don't suffer a disadvantage as far as gaming the chicks is concerned. The only disadvantage they suffer is the lack of awareness towards having a "game".
Author:  Paramount21 [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:19 pm ]
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see, my main issue is this now, how can I achieve the same results as my White friends in mostly White areas, is such a thing even possible now?
Author:  Junglepimp [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:21 pm ]
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see, my main issue is this now, how can I achieve the same results as my White friends in mostly White areas, is such a thing even possible now?
What you look like matters hardly. This is the basic stuff. I know Indians who've gone to countries like USA, Russia, Sweden, etc. and gamed their way out with success.
Author:  Paramount21 [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:22 pm ]
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hey dude everything matters including race, but as you can see you overcame those obstacles you did not have it as easy as other races, but back in the day when i used to get on you, is to make the point that was possible, EVERYTHING MATTERS, but there are ways around each and every obstacle. I did a post on race and the correlations to game a while back and i got killed.
White men have it easier in white demographics settings, for example when i was in Miami, it was very easy for me almost effortless to game. When i move an hour away from Miami it was a little harder but still kind of effortless due to the huge hispanic population, the change came when i move 3 hours away from Miami to West Palm which is mainly white, it is way much harder to game compare to Miami.

Black men, have not as much of a hard time, cause women have fantasies about black man, and they are stereotyped as good in bed, and big dick.

Asians, and indians: May have a harder time gaming in general but is doable just a bit more work and effort...Unless you go to social circle, let say a club were all the indians get together in a particular night etc...

Anyways my opinion, with that being said i have seen as i told you before indian guys with white girls at the clubs, one girl rejected me at one point cause she was on a date with an indian in the club, she was pretty hot too...

The problem i have with you, is your constant obsession and rehashing the whole thing over and over and over and over again, in different post saying the same thing in different ways. But actually your last 2 post are kind of good and positive for a change. :)
I disagree, most women have told me they aren't into Black women, especially minority women. I think the ones who are into Black men are very loud about it.

The white girls I have known with Black fetishes were mainly ghetto girls themselves really.

Honestly, I think Asians and Indians get access to higher quality girls, a poster on another forum who is a Black man going to an Ivy League told me most women there would not date a Black guy period.

I would LOVE to read your post on race.
Author:  $uave [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:19 pm ]
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and here we go again...Paramount babbling about race again...skills and a few others telling that everything matters...it's just the same people repeating themselves...aren't you guys tired? of this
Author:  puaninja [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:23 pm ]
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I'd say all in all, blacks have it the same as white guys when it comes to white chicks. And beyond that, it's more a matter of how they look. If the black guy is good looking, or even just suave and G'd out, even the hot white chicks will be all over him. True, some white chicks will never give a black guy the time of day, but then others will be drawn to him JUST becaus he's black.

I'm white, and I used to be more into black chicks than white ones. Now its about equal, because there are a lot of fine ass white women out there. But given the choice between two HBs with the same rating of different races, I'd honestly pick the black girl. I actually feel bad for any dude that's never been with a black chick.
Author:  skills360 [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:23 pm ]
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and here we go again...Paramount babbling about race again...skills and a few others telling that everything matters...it's just the same people repeating themselves...aren't you guys tired? of this


^ dude did you read my last sentence...
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The problem i have with you, is your constant obsession and rehashing the whole thing over and over and over and over again, in different post saying the same thing in different ways
Author:  _Kangaroo [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:11 pm ]
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This title of this thread interested me a lot. Being Indian myself, I am generally quite curious when it comes to race and various cultures.

When I first got into game, the very first thing I did was The Newbie Mission. I still remember my first day, I was nervous as fuck. Could feel butterflies in my stomach as I froze there on the spot. Regardless of how I felt, I smiled and said "Hi" to every girl that walked past. I was surprised when a few would stop and talk for a while. I continued till I completed it. I actually lost my viginitiy to a woman from this challenge. She was European.

^ This was the very foundation my success rate. It was the turning point in my life. My internal beliefs and insecurities I had began to vanish reliasing that women are only human, just like me and everyone else here.

I began to look into Inner Game. Reliasing I was trying too hard to please other people I took a step back. I sat down and thought really hard about my passions, my likes/dislikes, what makes me happy etc. I then implimented all of these factors into my life. I removed friends that weren't a beneficial addition and replaced them with new friends, who were.

This all took place in the space of 3 weeks, give or take a week. PU to me then turned exciting. It was fun talking to new women everyday, even men. Being blown out or rejected wasn't so bad anymore, it was funny. I started to do things that made me laugh. Even opening women in an Indian accent. It was a new emotion I hadn't felt in ages, I was having fun.

I soon reliased having fun was projecting a vibe that attracted all types of people. I would act silly and do random things, I didn't care. Along the way I made better friends, met gorgeous women, had one night stands and met an incredible girl who soon became my girlfriend.

Being Indian I felt my ethnicity did not affect my progress. I still continueed going out, no matter the circumstance, and pushing past my comfort zone. As stated in my 'Introduce Yourself' section, I have broken the so called belief that Asain can't get good at PU. The only limiting factor is yourself and how you handle situations where your race is brought up.

I remember a woman in the past telling me that this was the first time she has ever been with an Indian. Naturally curious I asked 'What attracted you to me?'. She repsonded with 'You didn't make it an issue and was just comfortable in your own skin'.
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see, my main issue is this now, how can I achieve the same results as my White friends in mostly White areas, is such a thing even possible now?
I question why you feel the need to be as your white friends. I feel you are not pleased about the fact you are Indian and your skin colour is brown. For me, I am proud. Without a doubt I always use my ethnicity and culture during an interaction, whether it be a joke, food related, religion, teachings etc.

I'm very passionate when it comes to my culture and the women I speak to sense this. As long as you're comfortable with it, other people will naturally be comfortable too. Judging by your statements you have not reached this stage yet nor do I sense you want you.
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I had to be SURE to avoid other Indians as they would cripple my self esteem and say "a white girl is too much out of your league". I had to set an example because there was no Indian guy to set an example for me here in America. We got UNFAIRLY stereotyped, we wrote the Kama Sutra yet we get the geek stereotype and all that crap.
This paragraph greatly confuses me. Having been to America in 2011, I was quite successful in terms of picking up women who were of different races. I wear glasses. According to your statement above that makes me the perfect stereotype. I question why you would listen to people who say you can't do it. If you wanted to be an Architect and someone said you couldn't, would you let that stop you? No, you wouldn't care.

It sounds very much like you're the only Indian in America who has to set the bar for others Indians. I've been there and proven this theory wrong already and so has many others before me.

As for the Karma Sutra part, I love it! I bought a copy just to keep at my house. It's on a shelf in the living room, clearly visible. 95% of the time the girl will always point to it, or pull it out. Couldn't work out better.
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It was tough for me, it was really really tough to hear all that crap about my skin color and people telling me I couldn't do it because they had never seen an Indian player before or whatever.
Just because the odd person says it's not possible, doesn't mean it's not. I feel you have a very ambigious idea of what you want from women and how you want others to precieve you. At the end of the day the question I ask you, is if you got the same success as your 'white friends' would you be truly happy?

As a final comment, if you are not comfortable with your ethnicity, women will pick up on this before you even open your mouth. It reeks in your body language and the whole interaction comes of awkard. She will sense your intentions are not genuine or even fear you'll pull the racist card if she rejects you. From previous comments my advice can only so so far as how much you are willing to accept. You don't need to reply only reflect what I've said.

- Kang
Author:  Absoliutas [ Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:49 am ]
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One of my friend is indian and he get's white girls all the time. This breaks your statement that it is harder for indian/asian guy. Now stop being a crybaby and don't blame your race in forums, go out instead.

The only thing you can blame is yourself and your retarded thinking. Now go get some girls :)
Author:  Paramount21 [ Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:11 am ]
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and here we go again...Paramount babbling about race again...skills and a few others telling that everything matters...it's just the same people repeating themselves...aren't you guys tired? of this


^ dude did you read my last sentence...
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The problem i have with you, is your constant obsession and rehashing the whole thing over and over and over and over again, in different post saying the same thing in different ways
you never answered my question about your post
Author:  VFresh21 [ Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:13 am ]
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see, my main issue is this now, how can I achieve the same results as my White friends in mostly White areas, is such a thing even possible now?

Bro I have a good friend that is 100% egyptian and he was one of the biggest players in his school. I also have a black friend who is a huge player and had never hooked up with a black girl until about a year ago.

My advise to you - embrace the culture of the girls you want. Befriend the guys and girls to the point where you could and sometimes will hang out with them constantly. You should be that comfortable with them. After that, you will have shattered the mental block in your head and you will look at those girls as one of you.

Remember - if your leading, you control the frame. If you think that a white girl shouldn't be with you, you will project that, and she will get the signal subconsciously that she should go.

-VF
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