An excellent thread
I'm going to have to watch that video as well Skills but I'm at work at the min, so bookmarked for later
You can never have too much practice.
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| Author: | phangan [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:05 pm ] |
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I can open on the dance-floor with a 90% success rate by reading the girl's reaction to me by how she and her friends are eye coding each other. I'd get closer and back-off a little, and look on the girl's and her friend's eyes and facial expression as they communicate. Sometimes this is easy but most times it's subtle. I can then see if it's a green light, in which case I'd go in, or if it's red, in which case I'll turn my back and move on. If it's yellow I should probably also go in but in the last few days I've became so cocky that on yellow I'll turn my back too. But before moving somewhere else, on yellow and red, I'll look at the girls and will join in on their "eye conversation", telling them to go fuck themselves. They'll look at each other surprised that I could not only understand but even “talk” what they believe to be an "encrypted" private language. Girls not only sign each other "yes" or "no", they use their eyes to have entire conversations with each other. You probably think I'm mad. Understand this - girls are not a different sex. They are an entire different species. They think and feel in an entirely different way than we do. Their social and communication skills are on a whole different level, beyond anything you or me we can ever really comprehend. As soon as you approach a girl, within 10 seconds, she will completely size you up. Starting from the bottom she'll look at your shoes, if they're sports shoes or dress shoes, and check that they're clean. She'll then look at your pants - she'll look at your pockets to see if they have shit in them or not and if they fit. Then she'll look at your shirt to see if it's pressed and if it's the right size. She'll judge your overall style. Then she'll move to your body language, to how you walk and move - to how you "carry yourself". She'll look at your eyes and facial expressions to see if you're nervous or not and what your whole body is communicating about what kind of man you are. Why do you think girls will take a WHOLE HOUR to dress up before they go out at night? Do you think they're doing it for you? No, they do it for themselves and for each other. They know that just as girls size up men, they are similarly sizing up other women. They take care of every small detail in their appearance as they know that other girls use those details to judge them. I once had a conversation about this with a girl I met in a club. I told her "I bet you know what color are my shoes". She started laughing. She then said "no" (it was a pretty dark club) but that she knew that they were boots and not sport shoes or dress shoes. This was not even three minutes into our conversation. Do you ever look at a girls shoes when you approach her? I don't. But they do as we approach them. My wing, with whom I spoke about this, thought that I was crazy. He then asked one of his girl-friends about the pockets issue. "She said that if the stuff in the pockets is folded properly, then it's OK". He said this somewhat triumphantly as if I was wrong. I didn't argue with him but her answers confirms that they actually do look at our pockets. Who would believe? Not me. Not before I got into pick-up anyway. Girls look and care about every small detail in our appearance... Don't believe me? Ask any of your girl-friends. That's why they say that even if you're not good looking, as long as you're “properly groomed”, you're already ahead of 95% of other men. If you want to get good at pick-up - learn "eye coding" and female communication. Otherwise you cannot really understand (and appreciate?) women. |
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| Author: | crazycoolo [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:20 pm ] |
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do you ahve anny links on eye coding or female communication? |
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| Author: | Techgame [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:23 pm ] |
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Yeah this is pretty good actually, the equivalent in sales is to put together all the marketing materials beforehand and make them look good so your leads find you sexy from the beginning. Very much the same with a woman. Simple attention to detail in your picking-up clothes takes out a lot of the work in the process. |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:09 am ] |
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Quote: do you ahve anny links on eye coding or female communication?
Make sure to watch on youtube captions do not come out right here |
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| Author: | tryskull [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:15 am ] |
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excellent post, you made alot of valid points and i learned a few new things |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:55 pm ] |
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The only problem i have with this whole approach is the "hesitation" that occurs in the waiting for eye coding, when i open i assume the close, with no hesitation, i do not wait, for a girl to girl none verbal signs, but if they do, subtle signs that i am no welcome i eject. |
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| Author: | phangan [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:41 am ] |
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Quote: The only problem i have with this whole approach is the "hesitation" that occurs in the waiting for eye coding, when i open i assume the close, with no hesitation, i do not wait, for a girl to girl none verbal signs, but if they do, subtle signs that i am no welcome i eject.
Bro, I question this myself. Just by checking their eye coding, you're already giving them the power. HOWEVER, if you go my way, you'll burn yourself much less quickly in a venue or will not burn yourself at all because every set you'd open will accept you positively. If you just go in, like you do, you run the risk of burning yourself. That's why you preach going out to a street with many clubs / bars. I do the same but I don't usually need more than 3 venues. Don't forget, I'm doing this so I can get a SNL, not a number. It's a bang or nothing. So I need to go in with girls who really like me, and then make sure they're DTF enough right there and then. So I'll need to get heavy with at least 3-4-5 girls before I get one that shows all the signs that she'll come back with me to my room right there and then. Don't forget I don't only look for the IOI / Approach invitation, I elicit them. I get closer, I look, smile maybe. Then if they invite me I'd go in. So it's NOT like I'm sitting there waiting. But just by walking the venue doing this - you also slowly burn yourself. In your book you call it "your newesness" or something like that. When I see that I'm burned - easy to feel this - I'll do one more "fuck it" round and will just go in as you do. If it fails I move to the next venue. But in any rate you don't want to be "that guy" that just runs around opening every single girl. Even if you're doing it "dancing" with the "having fun" frame. Last night, too, I closed an amazing Russian chick. We didn't say a single word until we were on our way to my hotel. I'm getting sick good at this. Before that I danced and escalated on 3-4 girls, one of them was taller than me by maybe 10 cm and no other guy even got close to her. They all liked me but not enough to fuck that night so I moved on until I found the right girl. No numbers, no dates, pure SNL game. I'm having so much fun here it's ridiculous. |
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| Author: | Hammerofdawn [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:18 am ] |
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An excellent thread I'm going to have to watch that video as well Skills but I'm at work at the min, so bookmarked for later You can never have too much practice. |
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| Author: | The Dice [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:10 pm ] |
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Quote: An excellent thread
I'm at work aswell, and actually watched the video without sound just to see how much I could spot. Can't wait until I get home tonight and will be able to watch it again with sound to see what I missed! I'm going to have to watch that video as well Skills but I'm at work at the min, so bookmarked for later You can never have too much practice. If your work situation allows you, I suggest you do the same, as I somehow imagine it will be a tad more rewarding And yeah, awesome thread
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| Author: | phangan [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:36 pm ] |
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Good video Skills. |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:04 pm ] |
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Quote: An excellent thread
I'm going to have to watch that video as well Skills but I'm at work at the min, so bookmarked for later You can never have too much practice. I did a more complete video, to spot dtf, watch on youtube for captions.. |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:23 pm ] |
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Quote: Bro, I question this myself. Just by checking their eye coding, you're already giving them the power. HOWEVER, if you go my way, you'll burn yourself much less quickly in a venue or will not burn yourself at all because every set you'd open will accept you positively. If you just go in, like you do, you run the risk of burning yourself. That's why you preach going out to a street with many clubs / bars. I do the same but I don't usually need more than 3 venues.
If you read the book i said minimum 3 small venues, or a big club, which is what you just said, second you have a greater chance of burning yourself out if you hesitate, and wait... When i approach i do the invite reads before the approach, not during, depending of the time of the night. Quote: Don't forget, I'm doing this so I can get a SNL, not a number. It's a bang or nothing. So I need to go in with girls who really like me, and then make sure they're DTF enough right there and then. So I'll need to get heavy with at least 3-4-5 girls before I get one that shows all the signs that she'll come back with me to my room right there and then.
^ yea! that!Don't forget I don't only look for the IOI / Approach invitation, I elicit them. I get closer, I look, smile maybe. Then if they invite me I'd go in. So it's NOT like I'm sitting there waiting. But just by walking the venue doing this - you also slowly burn yourself. In your book you call it "your newesness" or something like that. Quote: When I see that I'm burned - easy to feel this - I'll do one more "fuck it" round and will just go in as you do. If it fails I move to the next venue. But in any rate you don't want to be "that guy" that just runs around opening every single girl. Even if you're doing it "dancing" with the "having fun" frame.
^ good!
Quote: Last night, too, I closed an amazing Russian chick. We didn't say a single word until we were on our way to my hotel. I'm getting sick good at this. Before that I danced and escalated on 3-4 girls, one of them was taller than me by maybe 10 cm and no other guy even got close to her. They all liked me but not enough to fuck that night so I moved on until I found the right girl.
^ See i told you, that is what i do, in the pm you told me is not possible, there you go..Quote: No numbers, no dates, pure SNL game. I'm having so much fun here it's ridiculous.
^ yep! is addictive...
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| Author: | phangan [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:46 pm ] |
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I just saw the micro escalation video, very good. It's crazy how many things we do the same, I also take their dresses down when it goes up. But why do you call it "false security"? We're nice guys, not rapists... there is nothing false about it, but it's a nice players touch. What you don't mention is changing pace, from slow to fast, sometimes regardless of the music. I'll jump around and dance like a nut, then do salsa moves, then will slow down - EVEN IF IT'S A FAST SONG - to create a "love bubble" - as if it doesn't matter what's going around us and what song is playing - to create the feeling that what we have between us is special and is isolated from the environment. So I'll suddenly slow down, slow slow... more slow, to the point of almost just standing there, hugging each other - and then I'll go in for a really slow romantic kiss, or even a kiss on the chick or the forehead, to show that it's not ONLY sexual between us but emotional too. I want them to have that "I can't believe we met in a club!" feeling, but all non verbally. Fuck, we're such puppet masters, it's ridiculous. But the thing is, that with me, it's not totally fake. Because I look for girls who like me to begin with, and girls who I like too, these feelings will have basis in reality. That's why it works. The thing is, that in every night, in every club - there are at least a few girls who I could create this feelings with. |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:11 pm ] |
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Quote: I just saw the micro escalation video, very good. It's crazy how many things we do the same, I also take their dresses down when it goes up. But why do you call it "false security"? We're nice guys, not rapists... there is nothing false about it, but it's a nice players touch.
Dude, phangan stop changing my words, "false trust" no false security and is just a name, cause when i do that they trust me more for some reason...Quote: What you don't mention is changing pace, from slow to fast, sometimes regardless of the music.
Dude, did you see the video, i dance at different paces, depending of the music... you do not want to do salsa in hip hop...I'll jump around and dance like a nut, then do salsa moves, then will slow down - EVEN IF IT'S A FAST SONG - to create a "love bubble" - as if it doesn't matter what's going around us and what song is playing - to create the feeling that what we have between us is special and is isolated from the environment. So I'll suddenly slow down, slow slow... more slow, to the point of almost just standing there, hugging each other - and then I'll go in for a really slow romantic kiss, or even a kiss on the chick or the forehead, to show that it's not ONLY sexual between us but emotional too. I want them to have that "I can't believe we met in a club!" feeling, but all non verbally. Quote: Fuck, we're such puppet masters, it's ridiculous.
If you are fake, you are done, and yes for me the most important is vibe and chemistry, with experience it will be like brushing your teach, automatic.
But the thing is, that with me, it's not totally fake. Because I look for girls who like me to begin with, and girls who I like too, these feelings will have basis in reality. That's why it works. The thing is, that in every night, in every club - there are at least a few girls who I could create this feelings with. |
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| Author: | phangan [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:55 pm ] |
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Quote: Quote: What you don't mention is changing pace, from slow to fast, sometimes regardless of the music.
Dude, did you see the video, i dance at different paces, depending of the music... you do not want to do salsa in hip hop...
I'll jump around and dance like a nut, then do salsa moves, then will slow down - EVEN IF IT'S A FAST SONG - to create a "love bubble" - as if it doesn't matter what's going around us and what song is playing - to create the feeling that what we have between us is special and is isolated from the environment. So I'll suddenly slow down, slow slow... more slow, to the point of almost just standing there, hugging each other - and then I'll go in for a really slow romantic kiss, or even a kiss on the chick or the forehead, to show that it's not ONLY sexual between us but emotional too. I want them to have that "I can't believe we met in a club!" feeling, but all non verbally. I will sometimes dance SLOW to FAST music. I will slow down, slower and slower until we're almost standing (LEADING in the process!) and then I'll just kiss the girl softly, or on the cheek, or on her forehead, to give her a feeling that she has "won me over". When you stop dancing like that, or dance slow to fast music, you separate yourself from the environment and create a "love bubble" around you. It's fucking powerful, you should try it |
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