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Author:  Zepter [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:39 am ]
Post subject:  BIOLOGY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS
ONEITIS AND THE MALE:

your body's way of selecting a potential mate is an erection. if a process actually decreases your chances of closing, then it can't be a selection tool, can it? it's a disqualification tool.

but why is that?

let’s elaborate on this subject by having a look at biology.
while alphas are less drawn to a single female, they are naturally drawn to variety and abundance. betas are naturally drawn to stability and long term relationships with one female. why is that?

ONEITIS AND FEMALES:

females too are drawn to alphas, but they usually don't end up engaging in a long term relationship with them. a woman that never goes for an snl, may be very open to an snl, a threesome, even group sex when gamed correctly or engaged by a real alpha. she will then justify their behavior by saying, “it just happened.”

but, what just happened?

nature happened.

as pua's we've learned and/or internalized so many alpha traits, many of us have no problem closing, but have trouble keeping a stable relationship. how can that be?

ANALYSIS:

if historically by nature, the best genes will be passed on, then the alpha has to find as many mates as possible. it's a life long obsession. but to ensure a high probability of success for the species as a whole, the offspring have to survive, not just be bred. right?

the alpha can't provide for the offspring and at the same time follow his call of nature. therefore, we need a beta, that will care for the alpha's offspring. but how do we do that? even a beta male is not too hot about investing energy and resources into another's offspring. bam! oneitis! he wants her so much he's ready to do anything for her, including the task of insuring the survival of the alpha's superior genes.

her task of mating with the alpha is done, she is now searching for a beta that will be best suited to ensure a stable home and safe environment for the alpha’s offspring. think about it, how many beautiful women end up marrying a putz?

why is it that when you are afc, all they wanted was “let’s see where it goes” and made you wait while fucking other guys to finally end up in a long term relationship with you?

HUMAN ALPHAS

why is it that some of the worlds greatest playboys made the worst possible fathers? spent their lives globetrotting and drifting through the caribbean with yachts? why are alphas adventurers (spread the seed) and betas the 9-5 guys that just want a beer and and tv when they come home and fuck their wife once a week while never thinking about the possibility that a whole world exists outside of them (stable, caring for the alpha offspring).

WHO ARE WE AS THE PUA COMMUNITY?

we are all here for a reason. this community is obessed with women. not with one woman, but with the concept of women. we can never have anough. we are not employed beta males that are content with an average lifestyle (at least deep inside, we know we want more out of life than that).

we are adventurers, conquerors, dandies, philanthropists, researchers, entrepreneurs, globetrotters, playboys. we are all searching for something. we all want to experience life in as many facets as possible. we are enjoying every minute, every breeze while paying our dues at the temple of pussy each and every day. if being able to adapt and learn, mimick and trick, being unapologetically selfish and not giving a shit the route to long term success as a spieces on this planet (and that is a proven fact), then who are we?

we are the true alpha males. we are the future of the human race.

we are julius caesar crossing the rubicon river. we are genghis khan.

it's all there for our taking! welcome to the curse, boys!!!!!!!!
Author:  Eyyt [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:37 pm ]
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With great power comes great responsibility.

yeah, we're alphas and i agree that betas become great fathers. My biological father is a beta and i think he has taken good care of me. ARIBA ALPHA!!!

good post :) an eye opener for a newbie like me
Author:  DJ_Z [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:25 pm ]
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Yeah...no.
Author:  TheSeagull [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:44 am ]
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I think you are over-exagerating the power of oneitis.
Author:  Chiasmata [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:24 am ]
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I think you are taking your own interpretation on Biological data, and slightly to highly misconstruing it. Granted, you're not completely wrong, but also, I think you need to have a VERY firm grasp on the difference between Biology and Sociology before coming up with theories such as this.
Author:  Zepter [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:05 am ]
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I think its rather humorous how people have no theories of their own, but always have some smart ass comment to make.

What do you think oneitis is? No one has come up with a pausible explaination so far.

Think you have a better one? Go for it!!!!
Author:  Kupid [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BIOLOGY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS
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the alpha can't provide for the offspring and at the same time follow his call of nature. therefore, we need a beta, that will care for the alpha's offspring. but how do we do that?


First of all I think you should define a little more what alpha and beta means to you. There are a lot of guys out there, that live hapily quiet family life work 9-5, are married to one incredibly hot women and still do their shit the way THEY think it's appropriate.
Here we need to define the concept of alpha, cause so far the basic foundation for this definiton was pulling chicks, laying out offspring and letting everyone esle to take care of it, we forgot other areas in human's life (like the things that make a man happy and things he do to take care of himself and his offspring). IMO you're not aplha if you can't take care of your offspring, cause making a kid isn't hard, but you need to have balls of steel to raise one properly. Besides no alpha has ALL areas of his life covered perfectly, no one has, it's just that they are better in a lot more things than betas are, cause they persisted to their goal.
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even a beta male is not too hot about investing energy and resources into another's offspring. bam! oneitis! he wants her so much he's ready to do anything for her
True to some point. Certainly some guys end up desperate raising up someone else's kid marrying the wrong women or waiting for her to "be ready" while she fucks another 10 dudes.
But sometimes doing everything for a girl doesn't mean it's oneits it can be just love (if she isn't playing games).
I would define oneits as it is in the community, the girl you would like to fuck, but you can't, due to ........ That problem has a solution fuck 10 other girls, if you marry the wrong women that's not oneits, that's just bad decission in life. So the point is:

LIFE'S A BITCH, GRAB IT BY THE BALLS AND RIDE IT :D
Author:  Dr.Joyful [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BIOLOGY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS
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we are adventurers, conquerors, dandies, philanthropists, researchers, entrepreneurs, globetrotters, playboys. we are all searching for something. we all want to experience life in as many facets as possible. we are enjoying every minute, every breeze while paying our dues at the temple of pussy each and every day. if being able to adapt and learn, mimick and trick, being unapologetically selfish and not giving a shit the route to long term success as a spieces on this planet (and that is a proven fact), then who are we?

we are the true alpha males. we are the future of the human race.

we are julius caesar crossing the rubicon river. we are genghis khan.

it's all there for our taking! welcome to the curse, boys!!!!!!!!
I'm sure most of the pua's out in the world are just nerds who learned how to seduce women. They are not out conquering, inventing or saving the world they are just having sex like animals do in the wild.
Author:  Dr.Joyful [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:18 pm ]
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never said it was, it's just not as grand of a thing zepter is making it out to be.
Author:  Zepter [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:00 pm ]
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i get your points, and they are all valid. but what you're saying right now goes into detail and my analysis is basic. alpha is difficult to define for the human being, since we're complex and higher evolved than other animals. however, scientifically speaking yes, the alpha male gets all the girls.

also, i'm not saying that you can't be happy otherwise. nor that everyone who has a 9-5 is a beta.

i was developing a theory, based on some things we know about evolution and explaining a complex phenomenon, which is purely human. animals do not suffer from oneitis.

btw, forget the "fuck 10 girls" rule. it's not true. i'm speaking from private experience. but it's definitely a good thing to do.
Author:  Chiasmata [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:34 pm ]
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animals do not suffer from oneitis.
This is a pretty interesting topic. I have a lot of books on animal psych, and primate behavior/sexual psychology. I'm going to look into this and share what I find. Knowing whether they do or don't may come in pretty handy for someone trying to avoid/get over it.

Unfortunately, I'm super busy until August so I can't promise anything soon (or at all, the appropriate studies may not have been done) but I'm definitely going to look into it.
Author:  abyys [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BIOLOGY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS
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let’s elaborate on this subject by having a look at biology.
while alphas are less drawn to a single female, they are naturally drawn to variety and abundance. betas are naturally drawn to stability and long term relationships with one female. why is that?
Ummmmm..... NO

There are plenty of men in the world more alpha than any nerdy keyboard jockey on this forum who are married, and many happily. You try and name one heartthrob or good looking celebrity over 30 who has never been married, ie wanted a long term relationship with one female, its very difficult, they are the exception to the rule. Most men who are considered incredibly hot by women who arn't young are married, your theory is totally wrong.
Author:  Zepter [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: BIOLOGY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS
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Quote:
let’s elaborate on this subject by having a look at biology.
while alphas are less drawn to a single female, they are naturally drawn to variety and abundance. betas are naturally drawn to stability and long term relationships with one female. why is that?
Ummmmm..... NO

There are plenty of men in the world more alpha than any nerdy keyboard jockey on this forum who are married, and many happily. You try and name one heartthrob or good looking celebrity over 30 who has never been married, ie wanted a long term relationship with one female, its very difficult, they are the exception to the rule. Most men who are considered incredibly hot by women who arn't young are married, your theory is totally wrong.
are you married? what do you know about it? do you think those guys only fuck ONE girl? you're a funny guy. as far as i remember, john travolta is also married.

and we all know that hollywood is the main reference point for natural human behavior......
Author:  Zepter [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: BIOLOGY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS
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we are adventurers, conquerors, dandies, philanthropists, researchers, entrepreneurs, globetrotters, playboys. we are all searching for something. we all want to experience life in as many facets as possible. we are enjoying every minute, every breeze while paying our dues at the temple of pussy each and every day. if being able to adapt and learn, mimick and trick, being unapologetically selfish and not giving a shit the route to long term success as a spieces on this planet (and that is a proven fact), then who are we?

we are the true alpha males. we are the future of the human race.

we are julius caesar crossing the rubicon river. we are genghis khan.

it's all there for our taking! welcome to the curse, boys!!!!!!!!
I'm sure most of the pua's out in the world are just nerds who learned how to seduce women. They are not out conquering, inventing or saving the world they are just having sex like animals do in the wild.
pua is not all about seducing women. it's a lifesyle. and i do know quite a few of the good ones. they may have been whatever, but most of the good ones are self employed, polyamourous, and definitely fit into one or more of the above categories.

and the biggest playboys of our time (and i'm not talking pua's in the modern sense of the word, now we would call them "naturals"), really were all those things, no doubt. i'm not talking about nerdy asian college boys trying to get some pussy before they get their degrees. those are not puas in my opinion.
Author:  Kupid [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BIOLOGY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS
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are you married? what do you know about it? do you think those guys only fuck ONE girl? you're a funny guy. as far as i remember, john travolta is also married.
If by that you mean, the guys who are married are cheating on their wivies, you are right, in (I think...) one of three marrigaes cheating happens weather it is husband cheating on wife or wife cheating on husband, but most of that form husband's prespective happens, due to 2 reasons:

a) He didn't fuck as much as he was opportunitied in his early age, that's why those men are more likely to cheat further into their marriage.
b) His wife is frigid/losing sexual energy/getting her pleasure elsewhere......

BUT imo if those two^ are considered OK, he can be loyal for the rest of his life. No need to go and bang other chicks even if he's alpha.
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and we all know that hollywood is the main reference point for natural human behavior......
Just to correct you here hollywood mainstream is reference point for socialy conditioned behaviour not the natural one. Natural behaviour is something that would have happened, if there would be no outside factors. But it is true that hollywood plays a big part in our lives, since we grow up with it, we think that we need to do, what they tell us, but with will power you can much easier diconnect from hollywood habits, that you would from natural ones, but both can be done.

P.S.: As far as I know there hasn't been any scientific definiton of "human" alpha male, but I would love to hear everyone else what they think it is. ;)
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